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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
I didn't want Roe v. Wade overturned precisely because of this reason. Look at this thread. Its a fucking shitshow. It will turn the entire country into a fucking shitshow. Is it a bad ruling? Yes. Should it have been fixed ages ago? Yes. Was it based on some woman lying? Yes. But the reality is that it would simply cause more grief than its worth. The states that don't want abortion will and have slowly made it impossible to get one and the states that want to use a cattle gun on babies as soon as they come out of the womb will have that too.

What the ruling does is basically strip away all pretenses. Everything is out in the open and loud and clear. For which this America is NOT built for. These people are not built for things that make them uncomfortable. Everyone complaining mostly lives in blue states or states where it is piss easy to get an abortion. If your state wasn't passing abortion restricting legislation now, then it never will. The blame lies solely on the Democrats for letting this happen as people have been saying for YEARS to back up Roe with legislation. Progressives have gleefully let abortion clinics be de facto outlawed in Red States and never lifted a finger, despite article after article warning people about abortion rights in the South. You know why they didn't fight for it? Because they hate them and they don't care. And this is what it lead to.

Now everyone is going to blame the supreme court because they have memories of flies. Well, it is partially their fault but still. The entire thing shouldn't have been touched, it was a powder keg. I guess Thomas wen "Fuck it, I'm nuking this faggot country." And then laughed manically as he did just that.
 
Also not a USian or constitutional scholar, but I've watched a few episodes of Perry Mason and the entirety of My Cousin Vinnie.

Roe vs Wade was initially brought by someone who wanted an abortion, who sued to claim that her state's ban on abortion was unconstitutional. The case eventually made its way up to the supreme court, where the state's ban was found to be unconstitutional under an interpretation of, I believe, the 14th amendment. The court decided that the constitution, by "emanations and penumbras", created a right to privacy in medical matters, between a woman and her doctor, that the state had no right to interfere with, meaning that the state consequently had no right to prevent the woman having an abortion, because it was a private medical matter between the woman and her doctor. It was a poorly reasoned and articulated decision that created numerous problems in its aftermath, even if the intention was arguably correct.

As you say, there was no federal law on the matter. The court does not enact laws, it only interprets cases brought before it in light of the limits created by the constitution. This may result in laws being struck down, but it never results in laws being created.

The court has subsequently decided that the original decision was a bad interpretation of the constitution. It doesn't even repudiate the idea of allowing abortion in its new decision, only the manner in which the decision was reached, which the court now considers to be a vast overreach of the court's own powers. They've dropped a gigantic ball in the legislature's court and basically said: you want this right at a federal level, you need to legislate it. Clarence Thomas singling out decisions regarding gay marriage and access to contraceptives is part of that, given he also seems to believe they were decided under less than ideal reasoning and are an overreach by the court.

What the court has now said is this: The decision was poor and should have been handled by the legislature. If, in the intervening years between Roe and today, the federal government had codified the decision into law in some manner, there would have been far greater grounds to preserve the right at the federal level, and which would have made challenging the prior decision that much harder.IMO, codifying it as a more general privacy matter, possibly using the 9th amendment (any rights not enumerated are still real) as justification, would probably have been the most successful. But like I said, I'm not a constitutional scholar.

Denny Crane! (I'm given to understand yelling this at the end of a sentence makes me right in all matters of law.)
Thank you for articulating what my english-as-a-third-languange could never do. Thank You. This is what I would have wrote if I could.!
 
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I didn't want Roe v. Wade overturned precisely because of this reason. Look at this thread. Its a fucking shitshow. It will turn the entire country into a fucking shitshow. Is it a bad ruling? Yes. Should it have been fixed ages ago? Yes. Was it based on some woman lying? Yes. But the reality is that it would simply cause more grief than its worth. The states that don't want abortion will and have slowly made it impossible to get one and the states that want to use a cattle gun on babies as soon as they come out of the womb will have that too.

What the ruling does is basically strip away all pretenses. Everything is out in the open and loud and clear. For which this America is NOT built for. These people are not built for things that make them uncomfortable. Everyone complaining mostly lives in blue states or states where it is piss easy to get an abortion. If your state wasn't passing abortion restricting legislation now, then it never will. The blame lies solely on the Democrats for letting this happen as people have been saying for YEARS to back up Roe with legislation. Progressives have gleefully let abortion clinics be de facto outlawed in Red States and never lifted a finger, despite article after article warning people about abortion rights in the South. You know why they didn't fight for it? Because they hate them and they don't care. And this is what it lead to.

Now everyone is going to blame the supreme court because they have memories of flies. Well, it is partially their fault but still. The entire thing shouldn't have been touched, it was a powder keg. I guess Thomas wen "Fuck it, I'm nuking this faggot country." And then laughed manically as he did just that.
Bad opinon is struck down. Nothing really changes.

Will it divide the people? Maybe, for a few days/a week at most, and then no one will remember this because there is a new thing to be very angry and upset about. These people do not even remember there is a war in Ukraine. Two weeks from now when they are upset about something else they will not remember what Roe.vs.Wade was about.

We have an accelerator. Press down hard on it. Accelerate until something breaks and then rebuild. Then accelerate harder.
 
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I didn't want Roe v. Wade overturned precisely because of this reason. Look at this thread. Its a fucking shitshow. It will turn the entire country into a fucking shitshow. Is it a bad ruling? Yes. Should it have been fixed ages ago? Yes. Was it based on some woman lying? Yes. But the reality is that it would simply cause more grief than its worth. The states that don't want abortion will and have slowly made it impossible to get one and the states that want to use a cattle gun on babies as soon as they come out of the womb will have that too.

What the ruling does is basically strip away all pretenses. Everything is out in the open and loud and clear. For which this America is NOT built for. These people are not built for things that make them uncomfortable. Everyone complaining mostly lives in blue states or states where it is piss easy to get an abortion. If your state wasn't passing abortion restricting legislation now, then it never will. The blame lies solely on the Democrats for letting this happen as people have been saying for YEARS to back up Roe with legislation. Progressives have gleefully let abortion clinics be de facto outlawed in Red States and never lifted a finger, despite article after article warning people about abortion rights in the South. You know why they didn't fight for it? Because they hate them and they don't care. And this is what it lead to.

Now everyone is going to blame the supreme court because they have memories of flies. Well, it is partially their fault but still. The entire thing shouldn't have been touched, it was a powder keg. I guess Thomas wen "Fuck it, I'm nuking this faggot country." And then laughed manically as he did just that.
My concern is this will give the Dems ammo and reason enough to try and nuke the SC entirely.
And who will stop them? Almost all the politicians are in the WEF's pockets and they have shown that they can cheat and get away with it.
Adding the token niggeress won't help them as much as they think it will.
And now thanks to Thomas yanking out the pin in the grenade the US will have another summer of love, complete with murders, widespread looting and burnings.
I mean for fucks sake a bunch of soy-redditors are considering burning small towns to the ground in retaliation. Sure, they'll get shot, but its the idea that worries me.
 
My concern is this will give the Dems ammo and reason enough to try and nuke the SC entirely.
Serious now. Probably not. The world is, at best, going into a severe recession. This is not an issue very high on the list of priorities for most normal people.
Having a job, rising food prices, rising rents, gas proces, inflation and a safe non-groomer environment for their kids at school all rate higher than abortion right now,
Abortion is all good and valid but it is a luxury issue. When it comes to "feed my kids" versus "pay taxmoney to pay for abortions for people"
"feed my kids" always wins.

SCOTUS did not say that abortions were illegal. They just said that there was nothing in the constitution or federal law that said it must be legal.
(So, just create federal law to mandate that it is legal then. That is up to congress to do.)
 
Bad opinon is struck down. Nothing really changes.

Will it divide the people? Maybe, for a few days/a week at most, and then no one will remember this because there is a new thing to be very angry and upset about. These people do not even remember there is a war in Ukraine. Two weeks from now when they are upset about something else they will not remember what Roe.vs.Wade was about.

We have an accelerator. Press down hard on it. Accelerate until something breaks and then rebuild. Then accelerate harder.
I do hope you are right about that.
My concern is this will give the Dems ammo and reason enough to try and nuke the SC entirely.
And who will stop them? Almost all the politicians are in the WEF's pockets and they have shown that they can cheat and get away with it.
Adding the token niggeress won't help them as much as they think it will.
And now thanks to Thomas yanking out the pin in the grenade the US will have another summer of love, complete with murders, widespread looting and burnings.
I mean for fucks sake a bunch of soy-redditors are considering burning small towns to the ground in retaliation. Sure, they'll get shot, but its the idea that worries me.
I would be concerned, but the Biden administration is the weakest presidency in a very long time. They can barely get anything done except to pass a reactionary gun bill that doesn't help or really solve any problems. Like most of the Biden administration. The biggest thing Biden has done is make another federal holiday. That's it.

If this administration were stronger, I'd worry. But it is incredibly weak and clearly lead by committee where Biden is basically just a mouthpiece at this point. He's just an empty puppet that multiple people are vying for control of. I don't believe a single thought is his own because he's going downhill fucking fast.

So to have an incredibly weak executive fight to push federal abortion legislation, let alone wreck the supreme court, is really a pipe dream.
 
People are gonna fuck. It's in our biology. I know it upsets you religious fundies, but that's the reality
Maybe if these people weren't such degenerate animals they could take the time to put on a rubber or take a pill?
But that would require them to actually be human beings and not succumb to their base, animal desires, wouldn't it?
Either way, this isn't even a blanket abortion ban. It's not like anyone will have to flee the country if they want to kill their fetus. I don't believe in the mythical "too poor to afford an ID but still functions in society" group that liberals love to bring up.
 
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. Progressives have gleefully let abortion clinics be de facto outlawed in Red States and never lifted a finger, despite article after article warning people about abortion rights in the South. You know why they didn't fight for it? Because they hate them and they don't care. And this is what it lead to.
They didn't lift a finger because it was politically advantageous to keep it uncodified. If they had just went ahead and made it nationwide law when they could have, they couldn't have spent every "next" campaign season after that running for election while screeching how important infanticide is as a voting pitch.
It's the same reason Dems never want to actually solve problems with race - keeping the blacks on the plantation means keeping them distracted with shiny baubles while telling them all you need is a little more money and a few more years and then you super duper swear you'll end racism forever
 
My concern is this will give the Dems ammo and reason enough to try and nuke the SC entirely.
And who will stop them? Almost all the politicians are in the WEF's pockets and they have shown that they can cheat and get away with it.
Adding the token niggeress won't help them as much as they think it will.
And now thanks to Thomas yanking out the pin in the grenade the US will have another summer of love, complete with murders, widespread looting and burnings.
I mean for fucks sake a bunch of soy-redditors are considering burning small towns to the ground in retaliation. Sure, they'll get shot, but its the idea that worries me.
Eh if anything, they might nuke the filibuster to pass federal protections for abortion. That said, with the Bruen ruling, most of the gun control bullshit the shitlibs would pass is going to be dead letter upon a court challenge, so I don't really care anymore if the get rid of it. If the Dems want to talk the talk, let them walk the walk.
 
My concern is this will give the Dems ammo and reason enough to try and nuke the SC entirely.
And who will stop them? Almost all the politicians are in the WEF's pockets and they have shown that they can cheat and get away with it.
Adding the token niggeress won't help them as much as they think it will.
And now thanks to Thomas yanking out the pin in the grenade the US will have another summer of love, complete with murders, widespread looting and burnings.
I mean for fucks sake a bunch of soy-redditors are considering burning small towns to the ground in retaliation. Sure, they'll get shot, but its the idea that worries me.
Ehh most abortion lovers are soft shitbirds, hence their love of abortion

They won't do shit and it's 4 MONTHS till the election.

Also, birth control and pill based pregnancy eliminators are extremely common and effective so the actual need for a barbaric surgical abortion are vanishingly small. As per Planned Parenthood, 93% of abortions in the last decade were for convenience aka birth control for dumbasses
 
I would be concerned, but the Biden administration is the weakest presidency in a very long time. They can barely get anything done except to pass a reactionary gun bill that doesn't help or really solve any problems. Like most of the Biden administration. The biggest thing Biden has done is make another federal holiday. That's it.

If this administration were stronger, I'd worry. But it is incredibly weak and clearly lead by committee where Biden is basically just a mouthpiece at this point. He's just an empty puppet that multiple people are vying for control of. I don't believe a single thought is his own because he's going downhill fucking fast.

So to have an incredibly weak executive fight to push federal abortion legislation, let alone wreck the supreme court, is really a pipe dream.
The incompetency, or lack of focus, of the administration is an issue.
What SCOTUS said was essentially "there is no justification in the consitution for this and there are no federal laws".
What SCOTUS said was not that abortion was illegal. They said that there was no law that said it was legal. That is an important distinction.
In a sane world what would happen is a quick session in house and senate to CREATE a new law that makes, say abortion in the first trimester legal on a federal level. I think that would be something that would easily pass in house and senate. it would be what most of the rest of world has already.

I think it would be easy to get most democrats and most republicans in congress to accept and vote for such a compromise. very easy to get it to pass.
But that will not happen. Because it is much more important to have brinkmanship to build followings and careers.
 
Why do you act like such an insufferable hipster faggot when you're probably in your 40's?
I have a theory. It's because he's an insufferable hipster faggot.

Nothing wrong with being a hipster faggot in your 40s. The 40s are the new 20s, after all (or at least that's what I keep telling my hipster faggot self...) The problem is in the insufferable part, but what else would you expect from a gimmick account?
 
Right, but why force a 16 year old girl to raise a child she can't afford just because you want to push your religious bullshit on the rest of us?
Because I need the stem-cell-blood from a 1 year old child for me to survive! You are talking about what I medically need to exist and continue to live.

-- Hillary Clinton
(It is a probably poor joke, don't get worked up about it)
 
I acknowledge that people are gonna have sex.
Then you can admit they can choose not to.

Despite what you and people like you claim, women are not driven by their hormones. They have self-determination.

Women aren't barely sentient animals that go into heat.

Women are capable of making decisions on what's best for them.

For thousands of years people decided NOT to fuck or to fuck responsibly.

Stop acting like women are too stupid to make their own decisions when it comes to sex.

It demeans you both.
Forcing them to have babies is just making them live a life of povery.
This is the part where you shut the fuck up, Middle Class scumbag.
 
They obviously wouldn't flee to Mexico for abortions that wasn't really my point in regards to that comment though. The problem is Hispanics are starting to crowd them, and from personal experience, some Blacks said they left Chicago just because of the sudden rise of Hispanics popping up. Sure it's not major yet, but with all the Mexicans and others coming in, it wouldn't be too surprising to see these groups duke it out which has happened in California as well.

They aren't doing anything now, because the realization of the problem has just arisen. For years people were browbeaten with propaganda saying we're all the same and certain groups are just American like the rest of us. That sentiment has been slowly changing. Sure they aren't going full glory burn the nogs just yet but people are starting to wise up and get angrier and angrier with said group. Even the RINO's can't contain this resentment of nigger worship in our societies. Even ye old J question is becoming more prevalent in society by people I wouldn't have expected it from 10-13 years ago.

I think things will happen, but it's more pressure cooker than just insant-raman outcome. Many churches near where I live had to reiterate in their actual messaging that "black people were people too." After the whole BLM fiasco, and methinks it's because much of the congregation started showing signs of not being too "nigger friendly." Sure they didn't drag and quarter them yet, but it's starting to progress.

The whole roe v. wade thing was predicated on the supreme court which none of us have direct control of. You either believe they are corrupted which means this was all part of the plan, thus we lose anyway, or that they aren't fully corrupted and it was merely RINO's doing what RINOs do. There's not much that can be done in regards to that notion.

Let's say Whites become minority and Hispanics become a majority which is likely, do you think most Mexicans/Latinos/Italians/Hispanics have the "nigger worship" mentality of the "off the deep end" whites? They most certainly act hostile towards them even when it comes to just living near them, even seen real life altercations in regards to the two groups quite a few times. Either way unless blacks flood America before Hispanics become a majority (if that happens) no matter who is right, blacks will in the long term lose. They're only patting each others asses right now, but make no mistake neither groups have anything but bad blood towards each other. Sure the rise of said groups will also pose a lot of issues, but by then most whites will realize the truth about it, and that's when a real struggle will begin.
I get that there are people who are completely retarded on this issue and don't understand what the *completely predictable* result of massive latino immigration is going to be for American black people, but those people are *completely retarded* and they are not going to read all that shit. everyone else knows what you just took 9 paragraphs to say.
 
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