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jenstark101 said:
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traditionalists tend to stay in echo chambers where they actually think their positions are majoritarian

"silent majority"

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This doesn't answer my question. I'll repeat and bold the important part.
Getting tard comed said:
Citation needed.

I'd love to see where you are getting 65-70% of people are agaisnt the decision to let themselves decide if abortion can happen in the state they live in.
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Niggaplease said:
Whats next are we going to penalize women for drinking too much coffee and end up miscarrying because they didn't knew they were pregnant?
some states has laws on the books to criminally invesitgate miscarriages. Life is so sacred you guize, funny' how you can end such a sacred thing so easily with out realizing your pregnant. not only would my tax payer money will go to funding all these little bastards, but we'll be wasting money investigating miscarriages. Yay!
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You're missing the point.

The 14th amendment argument of right to privacy in health matters - terminating a pregnancy - was never a federal issue. It was strictly a state issue. It's not a religious issue.
You live in a union of states. You have multiple options if you wish to terminate a pregnancy.
No one is banning your agency or access to representative process. That's how the system works. It was never a constitutional right. Thinking it was, was an uneducated, rookie mistake.

Gun owners can own guns - an actual constitutionally protected right, but they can't kill whoever they please for whatever reason they please, without consequence. That's the part that's got the gravitas.
Clumps of cells are like troons. If there wasn't some weight attached to reason to change the situation, you wouldn't be wanting to change it.
You're upset that what you thought was a fundamental (constitutionally protected) right with no consequence, actually never was.
 
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jenstark101 said:
only takes a few Dems to kill it in the Senate, the abortion issue isn't as party-political partisan as Twitter, politicians, and sections of KF pretend
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(that singular Dem, Manchin, who voted against the last Senate vote on an abortion bill did so because the people of West Virginia were not majority in approval of a bill that gave abortion access through all three trimesters)
 
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XxTardWranglerxX said:
It's about government (at any level) forcing a decision. The supreme court original ruling, while constitutionally flimsy, gave women a choice. Overruling it took away one of women's choice by giving control of the choice to States that may or may not agree. For many people it's as simple as that. Conservative justices overturned something that gave women a choice.
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"I'm not ok with the goverment at any level forcing a decision"
"I am ok with the Supreme Court forcing the States to allow a decision"
"I am not ok with the Supreme Court forcing the State to make the decision"

Do you see why this doesn't make sense to rational people?
 
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jenstark101 said:
While a majority of Americans have shown majority support for legal abortion in virtually every poll

The majority is not a supermajority in either major party. What will likely happen is that, to placate the ~50% of Republicans against this decision, Republican states turn a blind eye to mail ordered plan C drugs
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Then the Dems can use the nuclear option, if this is the hill hey want to die on. We both know they won't because it piss off religious blacks and the Catholic Church (older Hispanics), and the only way democrats ever win anything federally is by the skin of their teeth, so they need those votes. There is no Democrat equivalent of Reagan's 1984 win, because the United States is a fundamentally conservative country.

If you don't have the votes to make something federal law, that is the system working as intended.
 
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jenstark101 said:
Do you think if you keep arguing you'll find a poll supporting your position? I've posted quite a few links

reason you're not researching is you know most Americans support some degree of legality where tehy live
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Most implies some do not, so why in your world should they be forced to adopt a set of laws they do not support in an area they control and live in which supports a practice the majority there finds immoral?
 
jenstark101 said:
Do you think if you keep arguing you'll find a poll supporting your position? I've posted quite a few links

reason you're not researching is you know most Americans support some degree of legality where tehy live
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It's a simple question. I'm not asking for support of abortion. That's not at issue. What's at issue is the States get to decide if they allow abortion. Show me the stat that says 65-70% of the American population disagree with letting their own state decide if abortion is legal there. Why is this so hard?
 
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Android raptor said:
Well, Semper fi to all women and girls in the Bible belt. Remember folks, if you're stuck getting rid of an unwanted pregnancy the old-fashioned way, as long as you don't use any force intentional smothering is indistinguishable from SIDS on autopsy of an infant.
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:story: You think police and autopsy staff are stupid. They’ve caught mothers that have killed their children via suffocation before, it is the first thing they know to look for. SIDS is only truly declared after the staff that handles literal baby killers have done their job.

mr.moon1488 said:
>Infanticide is actually something that's been a part of every society for most of history
> Jesus-flavor Sharia enthusiasts
The original Hippocratic oath


"I swear by Apollo the physician, and Aesculapius the surgeon, likewise Hygeia and Panacea, and call all the gods and goddesses to witness, that I will observe and keep this underwritten oath, to the utmost of my power and judgment.
I will reverence my master who taught me the art. Equally with my parents, will I allow him things necessary for his support, and will consider his sons as brothers. I will teach them my art without reward or agreement; and I will impart all my acquirement, instructions, and whatever I know, to my master's children, as to my own; and likewise to all my pupils, who shall bind and tie themselves by a professional oath, but to none else.
With regard to healing the sick, I will devise and order for them the best diet, according to my judgment and means; and I will take care that they suffer no hurt or damage.
Nor shall any man's entreaty prevail upon me to administer poison to anyone; neither will I counsel any man to do so. Moreover, I will give no sort of medicine to any pregnant woman, with a view to destroy the child.
Further, I will comport myself and use my knowledge in a godly manner.
I will not cut for the stone, but will commit that affair entirely to the surgeons.
Whatsoever house I may enter, my visit shall be for the convenience and advantage of the patient; and I will willingly refrain from doing any injury or wrong from falsehood, and (in an especial manner) from acts of an amorous nature, whatever may be the rank of those who it may be my duty to cure, whether mistress or servant, bond or free.
Whatever, in the course of my practice, I may see or hear (even when not invited), whatever I may happen to obtain knowledge of, if it be not proper to repeat it, I will keep sacred and secret within my own breast.
If I faithfully observe this oath, may I thrive and prosper in my fortune and profession, and live in the estimation of posterity; or on breach thereof, may the reverse be my fate!"
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Heh, the oath may be reason enough to make it illegal. You’re forcing a professional doctor to violate his charge, after all. Some lawyer can spin it better than I can.
 
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XxTardWranglerxX said:
It's about government (at any level) forcing a decision. The supreme court original ruling, while constitutionally flimsy, gave women a choice. Overruling it took away one of women's choice by giving control of the choice to States that may or may not agree. For many people it's as simple as that. Conservative justices overturned something that gave women a choice.
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Except for that whole thing where now EVERYONE gets to have a choice to make it legal or not.

You don't seem to know what this decision actually does is send the choice back to the individual states, which if you actually read anything other than retard twitter takes you would understand is the point of the 10th amendment.
 
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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Except for that whole thing where now EVERYONE gets to have a choice to make it legal or not.

You don't seem to know what this decision actually does is send the choice back to the individual states, which if you actually read anything other than retard twitter takes you would understand is the point of the 10th amendment.
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Leftists hate federalism even more than they do babies.

That seems to be one of the core and lasting principles of the left in this country and it goes back generations and across totally different political landscapes - they love centralized power and they can't stand the idea that states might have different laws and different values.
 
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