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Mayor Adam West said:
Ok well what about a newborn?
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That's a much better analogy, and it brings home the point much more effectively. It is chilling s lot of these bug eyed freaks protesting in places that already have abortion psst 24 weeks think it should be available up to pregnancy.
Even where I think abortion should be compulsory for undesirable persons if we were have to have a post democratic authoritarian state that I for endorse, it should be done very early on..all of that should be tangential though to the fact that Dobbs is very sound in its constitutional and legal reasoning and that over half the country cannot or is unable to engage the actual legal arguments at play. They want abortion, don't care how they get it, and are going to have another petulant fit since they can't get it right now in an undemocratic process of judicial fiat (never mind it is freely available in half the states and in most places where they are getting ginned up for more Summer of Love chaos and anarchy and mayhem).
 
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Rich Evans Ayypologist said:
The long and short of it is that there is no way to bridge that divide, because the moral systems you interact with that lead you to believe it is murder are not systems I interact with at all... for the first trimester. Even when I'm fine with the practice being restricted, it's more because I value personal responsibility and prudent behavior (you should have made up your mind / taken care of it asap) than because I view the fetus as a human to be protected. When the fetus has a primitive nervous system and can feel pain, I start to come closest to the system that life-at-conception types tap into, but even then it's more because I have a utilitarian impulse to not cause undue harm and less because I value the sanctity of the fetus.

There's no real rhetorical or even emotional appeal that broaches the divide when we're tapping in to two completely different systems of values. They're hewn from similar principles, in that they're loose amalgamations of concern about autonomy, society, sanctity, etc, but how much each different pillar is valued is wholly different. 20% of the country roundabouts is for abortion-under-no-circumstances, 26% of the country is for abortion-under-all-circumstances, and there's quite literally no way to make both of those groups happy or to compromise between them.

So you put it up to a vote - select among first, second, third trimester for allowable or for 'under no circumstances,' and whatever pools the most wins, which is prettymuch always guaranteed to be first-allowable just based on the fact that only about 100-20=80>20, naturally with some shifts between states (Alabama in a direct ballot, for example, could probably ban it outright). And that vote is kindof the best you can do. But the direct ballot idea is more of a pipe dream, because of the state congress issue I brought up.
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Yeah, that would be the way to do it.

I don't think the public would be happy with that, and seeing how they are reacting now I think they would be apoplectic if it was put to a vote and it turned out most people said no.

I mean, ultimately isn't that what Dobbs has done. Allow the states to decide individually, which means a state can decide to hold a vote for people to decide. Like Kentucky is doing.
 
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Android raptor said:
Personally I'd try to see if i could rip the eyes out with my bare hands. Newborn skulls are mushy, I'm sure it can't be that hard to just physically rip them apart with your hands. Would probably feel so satisfying too, soft skull and brains and eyeballs in your fingers <3
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Some probably think she's trolling, but this is a gal who for the last 8 years has been very outspoken and detailed about her horrible trailer trash background with her almost as batshit insane mother, spends most of her online activity looking at pictures of deformed and mutilated babies, and even talking about how much babies give her nightmares. Its less of an abortion rights issue with her and more of a sick fetish.
 
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Norbert the Tiger said:
That's a much better analogy, and it brings home the point much more effectively. It is chilling s lot of these bug eyed freaks protesting in places that already have abortion psst 24 weeks think it should be available up to pregnancy.
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Yeah those people are ghouls.
Norbert the Tiger said:
Even where I think abortion should be compulsory for undesirable persons if we were have to have a post democratic authoritarian state that I for endorse,
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I know you’re MATI like me and will never achieve political power, unlike me/s, but if you somehow do that I will make the IRA look like a fucking joke. :)
 
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thegooddoctor said:
Ill just lay it out, are the majority of people here are pro abortion? Anti abortion? I honestly don’t know, If you are anti abortion, is it for religious reasons? Do you have fundamentalist religious reasons for why people shouldn’t abort a life no matter what or is it based on just sheer moral convictions that lives shouldn’t be stopped no matter what? Not trying to judge or be a dick, just wanna know why you think in the way you do since the vast majority of normie women are enraged (rightfully so) right now.
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Literally every woman I know in my small town are happy that babies will no longer be murdered on demand. Whatever normie women you refer too is just women you ideologically agree with. Or the women who are childless at 40. The March for Life, and most pro-life organizations were founded, or are run now, by women.
 
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p4ddys said:
In Minecraft, of course
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Probably really late, but whatever. They are actually using Minecraft mods to get the SC justices in Minecraft to do what you'd expect a bugman from Kotaku to do with a modicum of power against the lives of others with no consequence.

We're hitting peak insanity.
 
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Getting tard comed said:
Well, the problem is we can't have an honest discussion about it. And if I believe abortion is a women's right to control her body putting that on an open ballot is the equivalent of putting "Should we let slavery be legal or not in our state".

For the pro-lifers the question is literally "Should we let murder of the baby variety be legal in our state"

It would be nice to live in a society where we could have that discussion. An even better one if we could talk openly to agree on what abortion even is. But we don't. Because the people are retarded.
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You say you believe abortion is a right? A constitutional right? Why? On what basis do you come to that conclusion. Have you read Roe/Casey, or not einportsbtly Dobbs which absolutely eviscerates and dismantled the absurd reasoning of those two cases?

I understand you believe in abortion as a policy matter. Why I am ever more conflicted about it, your position is kit without merit as s policy matter. But as a policy matter, of we believe on democracy (i don't but am resigned to it) the proper avenue is to go through the democratic process.

I'm a little surprised people are comparing this to slavery given how sensitive half the country is about "oppressing black bodies" and all that horseshit.is being obliged to use spermicide or the pill or choosing to live in a blue state really like slavery? I doubt that, but it's part of the delusion and hysteria whereby so many are convinced that women should be able to do whatever the fuck they want with no personal responsibility and with no regard to the greater good.
 
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thegooddoctor said:
What about rape and pedo cases though? Shouldn’t laws be made so those that get molested, poor teens and children have the right to abort the unwanted baby? I’m surprised nobody has brought this element up. Would you really encourage friggin pre teen girls to go through the horrors of childbirth so early?? Isn’t that complete lunacy?
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Would you subject them to having their baby mutilated, have its head crushed and liquefied and then have its bloody remains dragged out of them with tweezers? How is that less traumatizing than giving birth to a living baby?
 
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