Supreme Court Watch

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

It's a mind virus

I was in agreement with you until I read this...
Come'on man...

 

[H3llonwheels]

The hypocrisy lies with allowing certain states to ban something that was already federally ruled as a constitutional right.

Thanks for the insight into your position. I will disagree on it being hypocrisy though. The second amendment is pretty clearly written to most everyone. I do admit it has been a few years since I have read the constitution but I am positive that there was nothing about abortion in there. Please correct me if I am wrong.

The “ruling” of a “constitutional right” is problematic when you think of it that way. The constitution was implemented as a limit to power of the federal government. This ruling did nothing more than say “we as a country are out of the abortion business” as it doesn’t fit that model. The states are free to do what they want.

Guns on the other hand are easy. “Shall not be infringed” is pretty damn specific.

 

[Mr. Skeltal]

I’m pro 2nd amendment and I’m glad they did what they did in NY. Just because one lives in a major metropolitan city shouldn’t mean certain rights don’t apply

That being said…

How is everyone here ok with the hypocrisy? I get that this site is mostly right wing but come on. Fair is fair.

The 2nd Amendment is an constitutionally protected right. The decison on it was well made and ends states functionally shadowbanning gun ownership by making the permitting process a byzantine mess subject to heavy corruption. In a May Issue state you needed to prove why you needed to carry a weapon covertly or needed to be well connected. The death of the May Issue state is a good thing.

Roe v. Wade spun a right to abortion from a twisted interpretation of the 14th Amendment that had no business even becoming a standing piece of judicial/legal precedent. All this decision did was kick abortion policy back to the state legislatures, where it belongs. Others have posted here that even the harshest bans in the South allow for exceptions in the event that the mother's life is a risk. Most states will enact sweeping legislation for abortion to continue, laws with some restrictions (think 1st trimester = no questions asked but after that you need a reason), or outright bans with certain exceptions carved out. Abortion was never protected in any constitutional law and its entire legitimacy at the national level has hinged on 50 years of bad jurisprudence.

Justice Ginsburg herself told the Democrats that the decision was shit and to get legislation passed ASAP but they just shat their pants and did nothing for half a century. They were at their closest this year and would have passed federal legislation on the topic if they could compromise but they went full retard; opting for a bill that allowed for late term abortions instead of the more measured bill that was a compromise with the pro-life crowd in the Senate.

 

[Jeff Gazetti]

precisely zero states banned abortion when it was considered a constitutional right, so no hyprocisy existed then

They kinda did. They would enact local laws that would make it more difficult like Texas requiring all doctors performing abortions at small clinics have “admitting privileges” to large nearby hospitals. You can’t tell me that isn’t flat out stupid.

Ohio for example passed a 12 week ban.

So states did push up against the legal line with this one.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

The 2nd Amendment is an constitutionally protected right. The decison on it was well made and ends states functionally shadowbanning gun ownership by making the permitting process a byzantine mess subject to heavy corruption. In a May Issue state you needed to prove why you needed to carry a weapon covertly or needed to be well connected. The death of the May Issue state is a good thing.

Roe v. Wade spun a right to abortion from a twisted interpretation of the 14th Amendment that had no business even becoming a standing piece of judicial/legal precedent. All this decision did was kick abortion policy back to the state legislatures, where it belongs. Others have posted here that even the harshest bans in the South allow for exceptions in the event that the mother's life is a risk. Most states will enact sweeping legislation for abortion to continue, laws with some restrictions (think 1st trimester = no questions asked but after that you need a reason), or outright bans with certain exceptions carved out. Abortion was never protected in any constitutional law and its entire legitimacy at the national level has hinged on 50 years of bad jurisprudence.

Justice Ginsburg herself told the Democrats that the decision was shit and to get legislation passed ASAP but they just shat their pants and did nothing for half a century. They were at their closest this year and would have passed federal legislation on the topic if they could compromise but they went full retard; opting for a bill that allowed for late term abortions instead of the more measured bill that was a compromise with the pro-life crowd in the Senate.

AFAIK, nothing is stopping them from legalizing it at the federal level anyways, right?

 

[sylvan_wanderer]

Guns and abortions, abortion and guns. Red v Blue, blue V red. Landmark decisions and legislations just in time for voting season. And you still fall for it!

 

[Marissa Moira]

This whole situation made me realize that they need to update "100 Things You Can Do With A Dead Baby"

Because the threat of no dead baby causes a global freak out.

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

Reminder that Roe V Wade was based on a lie and "Roe" herself admitted too it, your political class maintain a known lie because they wanted a political football to distract the masses from the fact they don't actually do any work and instead make empty promises.

 

[FeatherPlucker]

Political Spergout:
I think the claims of a 2020 style Summer of Love possibly happening are not gonna happen, simply because the optics would be catastrophic for the left, especially now that midterms are almost here. It was perfectly okay in 2020 because "LE ORANGE MAN BAD", but allowing ANOTHER nationwide chimpout with an out of control economy, nearly $7 gas, and Biden being such a terrible president would result in a massive upending of everything the left has worked for.
If the Left's goal of collapsing the US so the WEF can take over fails (which is slowly starting to look like a real possibility) history will paint the Left in a far less flattering image compared to how they view themselves now.

On a more relevant note, how long until some rioter/protestor (Same thing at this point) gets killed? Because with how bloodthirsty the femoids and left is towards THomas and the SC I can see them going too far and paying the price.

I used to think the whole WEF/EU/UN "one world government" thing was a total crock of shit... but if you look at some countries in Europe, like Austria, and watch their news while looking at readers' comments. It's CLEAR that their (equally bought out) politicians are pushing the EXACT SAME bullshit as our politicians are doing to us here. We're all being trolled by bought out "liberal" parties that are pushing the same WEF/transhumanist "world domination plan" in all first world countries and beyond.

Using Austria as an example, the liberal parties seem to inexplicably keep winning elections despite the regular people hating them. They're squeezing Austrian citizens into complete poverty, pushing homo and troon shit onto their children and in the media, allowing gaudy ugly Pride parades, complete with hideous flags and drag queens, funded by US pharmaceutical companies, marching through the streets of Vienna. The library-based drag queen crap is going full force right now, and grooming children is going full force despite them having a literal war next door they should be worried about. The regular Austrians hate hate hate that shit.

They're pushing HARD to make prostitution more widespread, despite obvious problems with human trafficking. They're pushing surrogacy HARD on women, because their elite politicians are overwhelmingly wealthy gay men who were born into wealth- they want to purchase surrogates to breed blond baby boys with. (Seriously, if you lurked as hard as I have on FB, you will figure this out. Most of the major politicians in Austria are born wealthy, are gay men and/or men with pederastic tendencies). They want to make car ownership impossible by making fuel-based cars illegal within a few years, and banning parking/driving through major cities. They want to push "bike" travel which only benefits gay faggot men in rich neighborhoods who like to see other men in tight bike pants, and rich health freaks. Elderly people, men and women with young children to transport, young women, etc are not safe using bikes as primary forms of transportation. Hell, even the CRT theory bullshit is being pushed over there.. in fucking AUSTRIA? Yet you see their brainwashed youth pushing BLM and Antifa slogans.

Their politicians sit on their hands as women get raped and murdered by migrants... and even the Austrian rapists and pedophiles have their faces and names protected from the public, and they get pitiful short sentences and fines. Inflation is out of control, but they keep using "environmentalism" as an excuse to tax people more and more, and prohibit normal products from being sold. They all, of course, hate hate hate Russia. Then again, Putin's Russian Church's patriarch literally argued against transhumanim not long ago. I can't help but think there's a link.

And, of course, just like in the US... if any reasonable person points these problems out, or mentions a news article from a right leaning media source-- they are more likely to be branded some "Q-Anon Trump supporter". And this is in AUSTRIA, why would their lefties still be hung up on Trump or even Q-Anon?

They've had some particularly draconian laws concerning Covid shots in that country, to the point where it has really debilitated small family businesses. Many of their rural areas depend on gastronomy and tourism, and THOSE were the businesses that were really hit hard. Even those, like me, who aren't 100% anti vaccine are branded as total kooks for not obeying these mandates. Seriously, I have first hand experience with the pandemic in a field where it is part of the job, I can honestly say that Austria's laws concerning Covid were tantamount to psychological warfare.

If I mention the concept of "transhumanism" to these leftist-critical Austrians, they instantly get it. The historical significance of Eugenics is not lost on them, and the similarity to state-enforced inoculations gives them bad vibes. Their ex-chancellor, Kurz, is a literal transhumanist and is butt buddies with Peter Thiel and other big name gay boy billionaire transhumanists.

 

[H3llonwheels]

Because gun ownership & carrying is explicitly protected by the 2A, Abortion is not explicitly protected by the 14A.


In order to believe its hypocrisy, you have to believe abortion is protected by the Constitution.
So, from the PoV that abortion is a constitutional right under the 14A, its hypocrisy.

How do we get from this “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.” to abortion?

Lets break that down to what I believe they are interpreting only. “Nor shall any State deprive any person of Life, liberty, or property, without due process of law”. I am failing to see the leap where a state not allowing an elective or convenience abortion is depriving anyone. The persons own inability to deal with the consequences of their actions is what deprived them.

In short. “Not our problem”

 

[Hiphopopotamus]

Well we have rights. But just because something is a federal right doesn’t mean state and even local municipalities try to skirt around it somehow.

NY is a bit much too liberal for its own good sometimes. That’s just the crowd. Nevertheless the state doesn’t have the right to ignore constitutional amendments that were collectively passed by all states.

Now going back to abortion, the hypocrisy lies with allowing certain states to ban something that was already federally ruled as a constitutional right.

The republicans are really having their cake and eating it too.

Which constitutional amendment do you think "right to abortions" was?

 

[WhatIsThePunchline]

Even if it was an election year, isn't burning shit up and destroying shit kind of a 'guy' thing to do?

Yesterday may have been pretty quiet, but I'm willing to bet that most of these REALLY pissed off pro-choice ghouls are taking the weekend to plan some kind of horrific spectacle of a protest while everyone is out and about during the week to keep people from going to work. It's like Louis CK once said, "Boys fuck shit up. Girls are fucked up!"

No it isn't? Why would you even think that?

 

[Mr. Skeltal]

AFAIK, nothing is stopping them from legalizing it at the federal level anyways, right?

Not a thing except the incompetence of the Democrats and their inability to realpolitik.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Kind of like how the left in the 90s was all about freedom of expression and fighting the Christian Right and their censorship and oppression until they got the power, then they strangled every value they ever said they held and drown them in the sink.

It's like people want to get into power so they can oppress others, no matter how pleasant the words they say to get you on their farm.

I hate the dems more though, because they were the side that lured me in and betrayed me in my youth. I will enjoy any suffering that comes around to them, even if it destroys things that we got that I approved of. They don't deserve any success or happiness, only to have all joy wrenched away from them.

Then, maybe next time, or in some distant future we can get some leadership that will actually be based around conceptual values being equal to all instead of devolving into another dictatorship that can't handle open discourse or the existence of anything they view as sinful.

Hey we’re both bitter about the same thing. I described my feelings to a friend like what many atheists feel to the religion they grew up in. Except unlike those atheists there is NO ESCAPE. You can leave a church, move out of town, and never be bothered with it again except on rare occasions. That’s my feelings towards progressivism. I believed it, I occasionally have fond memories of it, but I absolutely hate it because everything is full of it. It’d be like if everything slowly started having Veggietale tier writing and values interjected into it, and the media pretended it’s good. Wouldn’t that make a lot of atheists more militant?

Unlike an organized religion, I can’t escape it. I’m forced to accept it with a smile or be fired. I’m forced to pretend to like it around certain family members because it’s not worth the annoying tears on holiday. Leftism has infiltrated every aspect of western living. There is no escape and when you try to, they’ll do everything they can to force themselves into it. There is not a single hobby, interest, or anything left that they don’t interject into. Work? Extremely woke, even small businesses now. Hobbies? Even more woke because of autistic troons that fixate on nothing else except sex. Sports? Woke. Government? Even more woke than everything else. We’re a theocratic state but the official religion is somehow both Byzantinian and decentralized. It makes it annoying to navigate even if you want to.

I’m at the point where I’d gladly burn it all down metaphorically even if it means I have nothing at the end of the day. That’s why I vote the way I do, even if it’s stupid for my self interests because I’m motivated by sheer annoyance and bitter hatred towards a set of values I want to escape but can’t. I’d flee if I could, but they’ve cut off all avenues of escape.

 

[Cavalier Cipolla]

I have an idea! Since you Americans like democracy so much why don't you have a referendum about the abortion part as well as many other questions? IIRC Switzerland is one country where any major law changes require a referendum with a majority vote. Or is that communism, socialism or whatever the current scare word Trumptards came use?

 

[B’Elanna]

Just a reminder to those who think making abortion illegal will save the white race. Abortion has been around for quite a while, it will only be less available to poors and minorities. All the Stacy’s will cross state lines.

 

[Che merda di posto]

I think the arguments about abortion being some kind of religious right is the single dumbest argument I keep on seeing. The states that are outlawing it see it as murder. Are you really sure you would want "religious rights" to extend to murder? Because if that was the case members of the Church Of Ted K. might start buying postage stamps and members of Aum Shinrikyo might start getting educated in chemistry again. I don't think you want to live in that world.

It's still the same situation where bordering states in the same country are defining life and murder in a different way, the world you don't want to live in is already here, the US is a schizo country eating itself from the inside. And all for some born again christian desire to bring on the apocalypse for a chill afterlife.

 

[DumbDude42]

@_giantmeteor2024_

They've had some particularly draconian laws concerning Covid shots in that country, to the point where it has really debilitated small family businesses.

that is intentional. they strongly favor large corporations over small business, for two reasons:
first: large corporations do a lot of lobbying and bribery to influence the poilitical class while small businesses generally can't do that.
second: it is a lot easier and more convenient for the political class to influence large corporations and convince them to do whatever the political class wants than to do the same to small businesses.

 

[Jeff Gazetti]

Which constitutional amendment do you think "right to abortions" was?

We should all have a right to personal autonomy.

It’s the same reason we don’t have mandatory kidney donations. Sure it would save lives but it’s my fucking kidney.

 

[PFM]

Mind virus? Oh come on, that's just plain retardation. Looks like someone slept over science lessons in school.

Queer/feminist theorists literally describe their ideology as a "mind virus".

This paper theorizes that one future pedagogical priority of women’s studies is to train students not only to master a body of knowledge but also to serve as symbolic “viruses” that infect, unsettle, and disrupt traditional and entrenched fields. In this essay, we first posit how the metaphor of the virus in part exemplifies an ideal feminist pedagogy, and we then investigate how both women’s studies and the spread of actual viruses (e.g., Ebola, HIV) produce similar kinds of emotional responses in others. (abstract)

Women’s studies as an infectious discipline—one that serves not only as a virus that attaches to the “host” bodies of other disciplines and disrupts and infects them, but one that fundamentally alters the cell’s blueprint and directs it to a new purpose—might accurately describe the kinds of work that the field could prioritize and embrace (or, in any case, should prioritize and should embrace). Women’s studies students and the fields they infect and disrupt both gain from such an arrangement. As Clough & Puar (2012) noted, “In its replications, the virus does not remain the same, nor does that which it confronts and transits through” (p. 14). Just as women’s studies has gained much from its institutional status, it has also lost some of its “bite” (a problem this essay takes up). Further, if women’s studies also works to train students to become their own kinds of viruses, capable of infecting, disrupting, unsettling, and altering their own spaces (at work, home, in relationships, and in their communities), perhaps framing women’s studies as dangerous may actually prove useful and interesting. Dangerous things, after all, transform not only through destruction, but also through imagining and redirecting toward something new. (pp. 945–946)

https://hipatiapress.com/hpjournals/index.php/generos/article/view/1683