The Gun Control Debate Thread - Controlling autism since 2022

Badungus Kabungus said:
Too bad that Russia has some based gun policies. As in, you can have whatever you want and shoot whoever you want if you have the right connections.
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Seems like it's actually you who wants to be speaking rusky in a generation, my droog.
 
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Anti-gunners, who are almost universally leftists, often claim that ‘assault weapons’ are stand-ins to cover impotence and/or that they look like big black dicks.
So I really don’t understand how leftists, who grool collectively over the thought of big black dicks, have such an issue with them.
 
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SITHRAK! said:
Anti-gunners, who are almost universally leftists, often claim that ‘assault weapons’ are stand-ins to cover impotence and/or that they look like big black dicks.
So I really don’t understand how leftists, who grool collectively over the thought of big black dicks, have such an issue with them.
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Mine aren't big and black, they're big and green. And some red so they shoot fasta.
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SITHRAK! said:
Anti-gunners, who are almost universally leftists, often claim that ‘assault weapons’ are stand-ins to cover impotence and/or that they look like big black dicks.
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That's why so many trannies love guns. They don't go hunting, or feel the need to gun down any federal postal employee approaching their home. It's just a replacement for the dick they cut off.
 
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Useful_Mistake said:
"Gun control has been a contentious issue in Australia, with gun-control advocates pushing for stricter laws and gun owners opposing them; statistics show that gun control has done nothing to decrease crime in that country."


"there is little evidence to suggest that it had any significant effects on firearm homicides and suicides. In addition, there does not appear to be any substitution effects, specifically that reduced access to firearms may have let those bent on committing homicide or suicide to use alternative methods. Although gun buybacks appear to be a logical and sensible policy that helps to placate the public's fears, the evidence so far suggests that in the Australian context, the high expenditure incurred to fund the 1996 gun buyback has not translated into any tangible reductions in terms of firearms deaths."

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We went from 18 mass shootings every year to zero mass shootings in 20 years. Hell, we even had a mass shooter literally go to another country just to do his mass shooting and then Null told their government to go fuck themselves instead of mine. If it wasn't for gun control, Australia would be the shithole country Null made fun of on the internet.

It's embarrassing when leftoids try to pretend that gun control in Australia lowered crime (it did not, it just converted gu crimes into knife and hammer crimes), but one thing it did accomplish, undeniably, was put an immediate end to weirdo loners getting mad at the world and killing a bunch of random people. You can bring up Australian statistics to show the results of a sudden application of strict gun control, but if you think they completely support one position or the other, you're deliberately misusing the data.

Gun control doesn't stop domestic murders or gang murders or bank robberies going wrong and getting a bit rooty tooty, but it 100% puts an end to mass shootings, which is why Australia enacted it in the first place. By that metric, it's been a success for us, and as a country that never had particularly high gun ownership or much of a gun-owning culture, the vast majority of people here are quite happy with it.
 
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Dyn said:
We went from 18 mass shootings every year to zero mass shootings in 20 years. Hell, we even had a mass shooter literally go to another country just to do his mass shooting and then Null told their government to go fuck themselves instead of mine. If it wasn't for gun control, Australia would be the shithole country Null made fun of on the internet.

It's embarrassing when leftoids try to pretend that gun control in Australia lowered crime (it did not, it just converted gu crimes into knife and hammer crimes), but one thing it did accomplish, undeniably, was put an immediate end to weirdo loners getting mad at the world and killing a bunch of random people. You can bring up Australian statistics to show the results of a sudden application of strict gun control, but if you think they completely support one position or the other, you're deliberately misusing the data.

Gun control doesn't stop domestic murders or gang murders or bank robberies going wrong and getting a bit rooty tooty, but it 100% puts an end to mass shootings, which is why Australia enacted it in the first place. By that metric, it's been a success for us, and as a country that never had particularly high gun ownership or much of a gun-owning culture, the vast majority of people here are quite happy with it.
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Dyn said:
Australia took everyone's guns away but then we just had a barbecue and played beach cricket.
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"We surrendered guns and ended mass shootings"
Gun ownership in Australia is at all time high, The amounts of gun deaths has not been found to significantly decreased.

Gun control doesn't stop mass shootings, or gun crime. That's a fact. Crazies will acquire guns illegally to do said shootings. For example, according to your own gov, out of all the gun crimes, majority of them are committed with an illegally acquired weapon.

I'm happy that Australia managed to lose one of its problems, but to suggest that a policy which does not work for gun crimes somehow worked for mass shootings is disingenuous imo.
 
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Useful_Mistake said:
Gun control doesn't stop mass shootings
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But it did. Name a mass shooting here since Port Arthur. There hasn't been a single one in twenty years. I'm not trying to pretend that criminals and domestic murderers won't use illegally obtained guns, or just knife each other, but the phenomenon of some depressed teenager or political extremist blasting into a crowd of random people is absolutely something that gun control stops, and if you want to use Australian data to argue against gun control that is the one point you need to concede.
 
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Dyn said:
But it did.
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But it didn't. There's no evidence that it was the driving force when the same laws failed to affect gun crime in general. Far more likely is that there was a societal change or maybe Australia's increased spending to help combat mental issues helped, it's hard to say what exactly solved it.
 
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Useful_Mistake said:
There's no evidence that it was the driving force when the same laws failed to affect gun crime in general.
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Our mental health spending increases over time out of necessity, but it's ability to keep with that necessity is a sick joke. Most of our mental health facilities shut down in the late 90s and expelled their residents in favour of "community management", which was HR-speak for just abandoning them and accepting the spike in violent crimes and suicides. Right now the city I live in does not have a single psychiatrist accepting new clients. We've had ambulance ramping issues since before COVID even started. Even with the better understanding of mental health problems, our healthcare system is in a far worse state than it has been for decades. I don't think our system is a triumph of socialist planning, but I also don't think it's a dystopian soviet hellscape. Most people here would agree that it's a mostly adequate system made barely workable by a dire lack of funding and decades of governmental neglect.

But you'd have to be a special kind of communist shill if you think our struggling mental healthcare system somehow managed to catch every single potential mass shooter and convinced them not to do it.
 
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Dyn said:
Our mental health spending increases over time out of necessity, but it's ability to keep with that necessity is a sick joke. Most of our mental health facilities shut down in the late 90s and expelled their residents in favour of "community management", which was HR-speak for just abandoning them and accepting the spike in violent crimes and suicides. Right now the city I live in does not have a single psychiatrist accepting new clients. We've had ambulance ramping issues since before COVID even started. Even with the better understanding of mental health problems, our healthcare system is in a far worse state than it has been for decades. I don't think our system is a triumph of socialist planning, but I also don't think it's a dystopian soviet hellscape. Most people here would agree that it's a mostly adequate system made barely workable by a dire lack of funding and decades of governmental neglect.

But you'd have to be a special kind of communist shill if you think our struggling mental healthcare system somehow managed to catch every single potential mass shooter and convinced them not to do it.
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I disagree with this post for a few reasons. First, I think our mental health spending has been relatively flat over time. It's true that it hasn't kept pace with inflation, but I don't think that's out of necessity. Second, I don't believe our mental health facilities were shut down in the late 90s. I remember there being a lot of discussion about community management at the time, but many states actually increased funding for mental health services during that period. Finally, while it's true that we have had ambulance ramping issues and psychiatrist shortages pre-COVID, I don't think these problems are unique to our healthcare system. Many developed countries struggle with providing adequate mental healthcare due to limited resources and personnel.
 
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Samson Pumpkin Jr. said:
Second, I don't believe our mental health facilities were shut down in the late 90s.
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They were where I live, and it was a tense few years while we waited for corrections to take over handling them, but I realise now that was probably a state issue and not a nationwide thing.

And yes, I'm not trying to shit all over our healthcare system. I like it a lot more than what I see in other countries, but it's clearly struggling. The idea that it's so great that it solved every random lunatic wanting to shoot up the mall is ludicrous.
 
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Dyn said:
They were where I live, and it was a tense few years while we waited for corrections to take over handling them, but I realise now that was probably a state issue and not a nationwide thing.

And yes, I'm not trying to shit all over our healthcare system. I like it a lot more than what I see in other countries, but it's clearly struggling. The idea that it's so great that it solved every random lunatic wanting to shoot up the mall is ludicrous.
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It is not ludicrous to say that our healthcare system is great. It is struggling, but it is still one of the best in the world. Other countries have much worse healthcare systems, and their people are suffering as a result. Our healthcare system may not be perfect, but it has saved countless lives and improved the quality of life for millions of Americans.
 
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