Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

Treasure Champs said:
Not a tard so not strictly relevant to the thread, but ffs you'd think they'd sew up his horrific gaping eye-hole just so people wouldn't be traumatized looking at him. You've got to think he'd have an easier life if there wasn't something so squicky right up front and center like that. It's one thing to lecture people on not judging by appearance and all, but there's an evolutionary reason we all react badly to things that look like disease and malformation.

P.S. I love the farms, where I can say things I actually think without being banned for prejudice against the facially challenged.
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They couldn't sew that it would just tear. I bet he usually has dark glasses on. The freak show is probably for online clout only. That's kinda the normal thing to do when a blind person has eyes that might scare kids or attract stares or bullying from strangers.
 
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A tree said:
They couldn't sew that it would just tear. I bet he usually has dark glasses on. The freak show is probably for online clout only. That's kinda the normal thing to do when a blind person has eyes that might scare kids or attract stares or bullying from strangers.
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No the mother is very big on the fact that people are to accept him as he is. They do not hide his eyes at all.

Archie's case is live streaming now.
It went for an hour here they breaked and now its here.

"Edward Devereux QC, who is leading Archie's parents' legal team, told three appeal judges at a Court of Appeal hearing in London: "The case should be remitted for consideration by a High Court judge who should considerer whether it is in Archie's best interests for life-sustaining treatment to continue."

"Mr Devereux has said the court didn't give sufficient weight to Archie's expressed wishes and feelings, having regard to the fact he is 12-years-old and "had considered the question of life support" in conversation with his older brother." He says the judge had discounted Archie's "clearly expressed wishes and feelings" in her judgement, indicating it was an opinion he'd come to not based on "the reality of the medical intervention he is currently receiving"."

It appears to be on break again for an hour or two. This is gonna be log they haven't even gotten past her attorney/barrister's testimony.
 
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GenociderSyo said:
No the mother is very big on the fact that people are to accept him as he is. They do not hide his eyes at all.

Archie's case is live streaming now.
It went for an hour here they breaked and now its here.

"Edward Devereux QC, who is leading Archie's parents' legal team, told three appeal judges at a Court of Appeal hearing in London: "The case should be remitted for consideration by a High Court judge who should considerer whether it is in Archie's best interests for life-sustaining treatment to continue."

"Mr Devereux has said the court didn't give sufficient weight to Archie's expressed wishes and feelings, having regard to the fact he is 12-years-old and "had considered the question of life support" in conversation with his older brother." He says the judge had discounted Archie's "clearly expressed wishes and feelings" in her judgement, indicating it was an opinion he'd come to not based on "the reality of the medical intervention he is currently receiving"."

It appears to be on break again for an hour or two. This is gonna be log they haven't even gotten past her attorney/barrister's testimony.
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So much waffle from the family's barrister. His entire argument seems to be that those detailed court and medical submissions we all read are somehow inadequate. He's trying to find any little technicality he can make stick.

Very boring to listen to but interesting to watch how the court works around the obvious elephant in the room. He keeps saying what actually should have happened was that the hospital or the lawyers did some thing or other but just skipping over the fact that what actually should have happened is that any sane and reasonable person would agree to turn off the vent.

They talk about the uniqueness of the case like the unique thing isn't the sheer level of denial going on
 
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A tree said:
He's trying to find any little technicality he can make stick.
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This is the point of an appeal though - they can't hear new evidence. The appeal is that the law was incorrectly applied in the original case.

Edward Devereux QC definitely seems to have a good reputation (https://www.harcourtchambers.co.uk/barrister/edward-devereux-qc/) and I think he's doing a better job of exploring the issues with the case than the Christian Legal Centre would have been able to do. They also have 3 top judges hearing this case including The Master of the Rolls (2nd highest judge in the country) and the President of the Family Division.

So far they have discussed the legality of declaring Archie brain stem dead based on MRI testing rather than the standardised, Royal College brain steam death testing procedure. None of the legal representatives think that he is anything but brain dead but, because he's so brain dead he couldn't even undergo the brain stem death testing, the consensus is that the judgment should be based on 'best interests' rather than brain stem death.

Before the lunch break, the family's QC was trying to make the argument that because the previous judgement was focussed on brain stem death there was not enough evidence presented to the court to make a decision if removing Archie's life sustaining treatment was in his best interests. Essentially his argument is that the hospital and Archie's guardian have not "jumped through the correct hoops".

In court, no one is under any illusions that Archie will recover. The position of the family is that they know Archie will not be able to continue on life support indefinitely but that they would prefer for him to stay on until his body is no longer able to cope and he goes into cardiac arrest rather than "scheduling" his death with a controlled withdrawal of treatment.

Also an interesting comment from one of the judges about the family not giving evidence in the original hearing. Ella Carter, family spokesperson, did but neither of Archie's parents. I wonder why that decision was made when Hollie is so keen to do all those media interviews?
 
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Now her barrister is stating that this court does not have the ability to make a decision on Archie so they must give them a completely new trial. He wants a comprehensive trial. Judges have gone to chambers.

This is pretty boring comapred to the CPS Court one i watched yesterday where the dude started making threats and got sent to jail.
 
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A tree said:
They couldn't sew that it would just tear. I bet he usually has dark glasses on. The freak show is probably for online clout only. That's kinda the normal thing to do when a blind person has eyes that might scare kids or attract stares or bullying from strangers.
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GenociderSyo said:
No the mother is very big on the fact that people are to accept him as he is. They do not hide his eyes at all.
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Christian’s mom has also stated that Christian himself has said that he doesn’t want more cosmetic surgery to change his eyes. Which is tough because he is old enough and cognitively functional enough to be able to say so, and I can imagine that recovery from the reconstructive surgeries he has had so far has been painful. On the other hand, he has no conception of how different he looks and the reactions he gets, and he really only has the input of mom telling him he’s a special, perfect creation of God.
 
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Hollie won the appeal for a new case. The remitted hearing will be 7/11. It is a Best Interests hearing and is expected to last a day.

Her barrister is now fighting to get that special doctor that says Archie is alive to be the expert witness even though hes already been denied. They also want his Guardian ad Litem to be fired.
 
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GenociderSyo said:
Hollie won the appeal for a new case. The remitted hearing will be 7/11. It is a Best Interests hearing and is expected to last a day.

Her barrister is now fighting to get that special doctor that says Archie is alive to be the expert witness even though hes already been denied. They also want his Guardian ad Litem to be fired.
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What seems to come from all this wrangling, is no judge wants to be the one who sets the precedent and standards for removing the brain dead children from medical care they won't benefit from.
 
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Hollie's got what she wants (to keep this whole circus going for as long as possible). I don't even want to know how much this is costing the state. Aside from Archie taking up an ICU bed for all this time, I counted in excess of 10 legal bods of various rankings in that court room today.

Justice Hayden gets the next hearing - if Archie's heart is still beating by then. He heard both the Charlie Gard and the Alfie Evans cases IIRC.
 
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