Tesla Hate Thread - oh and come seethe about EVs in general with me

Is Tesla Gay?


  • Total voters
    594
Is it Tesla that pulls shady shit about used parts? Like they won't sell them to independent shops or home mechanics. I think there was one weird case where they deactivated a guy's car over batteries or something. I wonder how easy it is to work on them if a motor or something dies. I've swapped engines a few times in my life, but I bet EVs are a whole new ballpark.

Right-to-repair is an issue with EVs still.

Also, Tesla has been caught with lying about lemon cars, and even resold lemons to unsuspecting customers.
 
With how bad the build quaility is on their "passable" cars is, you know their lemons are horrific. I saw one post on reddit where the glass roof flew off of a model y and another where they were strapping batteries with wood trim from home depot. You know, the shit they put on wall corners in shitty houses.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Falcos_Commisar
I have about 30 Phillips Hue bulbs and fixtures inside and outside of my house. It’s pretty nice to wake up to a gentle brightening color scheme, different moods for movies or chilling, and different holidays for the exterior lights. But the best part is having certain lights come on upon arrival at home at certain times. The lights connect to a proprietary bridge that is connected to my router.
So you have 30 IoT devices connected through a obsolete Layer 2 device to your router?
I’m not really worried that 400lb 4chan hackers will trigger the Dilawi holiday setting and set the brightness change cycle parameter to minimum time and
There's more they can do, especially with 30 'dumb' devices hitting a DNS out in the wild. Here was a presentation from DEF CON 22 stating that your Phillips Hue has a flaw when requesting for time using NTP, which then can be in turn to used for a actual hostile attack because the front door is now unlocked. You built 30 doors with the same lock, congrats man and proud of ya.
 

Attachments

So you have 30 IoT devices connected through a obsolete Layer 2 device to your router?
There is absolutely no reason, other than the intersection of laziness and corporate data slurping, for any sort of home automation devices to ever even think of peeking outside your own network. I have a bunch of home automation as well (mostly lights), using home assistant, with the devices themselves communicating over zwave and zigbee. Entirely self contained. If I want to control it remotely, I log in through an SSH tunnel. I can control music, lights, and I'm adding radiator thermostats to the mix later in the year. All manually controllable as well, because relying on computers is a mug's game.

But that aside, this is one of the reasons I never buy new cars. My newest is from 2009, but it's internally obsolete even by the standards of the day, because the manufacturer was pretty conservative with the twiddly bits. The moment cars started reporting telemetry back to the manufacturer is the moment they stopped being owned assets and became merely things you were borrowing for a while. Tesla, and all EVs, are just another avenue for the corporate world to pry into your personal life.
 
Nicola Tesla is a shit-eating fucking retarded-ass Serb, with an effeminate name and a weird fetish for fucking pigeons and shit. Nigga tries to claim he "invented electricity", when electricity was actually invented by Benjamin Franklin. Tesla just stole the credit for it, like a typical Serb
I agree with OP. Tesla was a bigger and a fag, and his statue should become covered in slimy stinky shit
 
With how bad the build quaility is on their "passable" cars is, you know their lemons are horrific. I saw one post on reddit where the glass roof flew off of a model y and another where they were strapping batteries with wood trim from home depot. You know, the shit they put on wall corners in shitty houses.
Discard opinions and experiences from Reddit trannies. They are a bunch of trust funder kids and Silicon Valley adult children who are owning their first car and immediately have it wrapped in some dumb color of vinyl, and are shocked to learn that tires don’t last forever.

The build quality has improved substantially. Early model Y’s had a lot of problems, but those were expected. Tesla sold those cars to the “gotta have the latest iPhone on launch day” Reddit asshole and you get what you observe, Of course these are not Japan built Toyotas. But they are now pretty decent for what they are, and improving.

I don't get it, is the plan selling EVs that don't have features that were already common in cars 50 years ago?
Such as….?


The plaid is underbraked. Actually all teslas are. But there is some ignorance in the post you quote. Carbon fiber brakes don’t actually brake better at normal applications. Like ceramic brakes, they simply are more effective in hot track conditions where normal brakes begin to overheat and fail. Plaids are not track cars. They need to brake better on the street because assholes are drag racing them, and hitting stupid speeds in a few seconds, and can’t slow down in time to avoid plowing into some rapidly approaching object. Ceramic and carbon brakes are simply cash grabs for the California and Miami crowds that do hair for looks and the cars would look out of place next to their kid’s G55 AMG without some expensive race car brakes uselessly affixed to the car.

The reason for this is that in day to day driving, the electric motors are providing regenerative braking. Meaning the moment you lift off the accelerator, the cars start to generate electricity via the motors by slowing the car down. You rarely use the actual brakes, So the brakes themselves are undersized. I can go days without touching my brake pedal by letting the car slow itself down. But try pulling these fat Pigs with giant heavy battery packs down from 100mph, good luck.

Better yet, don’t treat these like race cars and use the immense power responsibly. Drive like a mature adult and the regen braking and the disc brakes are more than adequate,

i'm just here to watch former elon simps get salty.
Cope and sneed harder. We’re not talking about Elon. His tranny child thread is in the front page.

So you have 30 IoT devices connected through a obsolete Layer 2 device to your router?

There's more they can do, especially with 30 'dumb' devices hitting a DNS out in the wild. Here was a presentation from DEF CON 22 stating that your Phillips Hue has a flaw when requesting for time using NTP, which then can be in turn to used for a actual hostile attack because the front door is now unlocked. You built 30 doors with the same lock, congrats man and proud of ya.
Informative and horrifying


Will put my hub on its own disconnected router for now
 
Last edited:
The reason for this is that in day to day driving, the electric motors are providing regenerative braking. Meaning the moment you lift off the accelerator, the cars start to generate electricity via the motors by slowing the car down. You rarely use the actual brakes, So the brakes themselves are undersized. I can go days without touching my brake pedal by letting the car slow itself down. But try pulling these fat Pigs with giant heavy battery packs down from 100mph, good luck.
Oh okay, so Tesla's has the same braking ability as cars in Flintstones - "Just let friction work for you!".
 
Oh okay, so Tesla's has the same braking ability as cars in Flintstones - "Just let friction work for you!".
No. Friction is how all brakes work.

Regenerative braking is really just the motors becoming generators. This process also slows the car. This has been a feature of hybrids for 25 years now.

The gripe is that the Model S and X plaid trim possess brakes that do not quite match their 1.99 second sprints to 60mph. The complaints are coming from people trying to track the cars or driving them like assholes. These are normal every day sedans and crossovers that happen to accelerate harder than anything else on the road that isn’t a sport bike, stripped down drag race machine, or a $250k+ supercar. If you drive them normally, the braking is fine. If you expect to track the car or want to be an asshole on the street, you’ll probably outrun the brakes if you are not careful. You have to also remember just how much the S and X weigh (X has a GVRW of almost 6,800lbs). At this point, if you want to drive like a maniac, buy a sports car and get it track prepped and take driving lessons. Not a model S. If you want a cool, sleek, efficient EV that can warp time and space Going up an on-ramp while taking the kids to the dentist, get a model S.
 
Yeah, because they're no electronics in ICE cars from this millennium.
And I have no idea where you get "incredibly fragile" from.
The plastic shit most likely, but that's a problem with every vehicle created the past decade and a half. That's a different issue entirely that's to be blamed on the "green" movement provided by our homosexual governments.
 
My last car was a Lexus LS. I had intended to take that car to 500k miles. It was an absolute tank. Ran like a new car with 200k+ on it. (However I’ll note that I was proactive on maintenance with OEM parts and only trusted Toyota specialist independent mechanics touching it). Every single LS400,430,460 is a potential 500k+ mile car. But that is because they are ridiculously overbuilt and over engineered for reliability, comfort, and familiarity. They are Toyota’s peak and their pride and joy. But that doesn’t sell cars to rich people who are overly conscious of what their other rich friends think of their car. But they make tremendous used car values. It really is the best used car you can buy and once you own one, it is hard to drive anything else.

I flirt with the idea of picking up another LS460 for long trips., but I don’t really think I will gain anything out of it other than another older vehicle to maintain.

I’m not expecting my Tesla to be as robust as my Lexus but it’s clearly a departure in terms of ownership and construction. There is less to fail, and less to fix. Repairs will be component level and I’m ok with that.

If EV ownership becomes a pain in the ass, I’m going to get into an off lease LS500, used 2015-17 LS460, or similar GX460, Lx460, or if prices normalize, a GS-F. But I don’t see that happening at this point.
Lexus hybrids are outstanding these days and they should easily hit 250,000 miles and honestly 500,000 miles shouldn't be an issue.

My next car is probably going to be a hybrid of some sort and it'll probably be a Lexus hybrid.
 
Lexus hybrids are outstanding these days and they should easily hit 250,000 miles and honestly 500,000 miles shouldn't be an issue.

My next car is probably going to be a hybrid of some sort and it'll probably be a Lexus hybrid.
I am keeping an eye out for a good deal on a used LS600h. They are not very common, but the 5.0L V8 hybrid drivetrain with the planetary gear set CVT is very strong and powerful (especially on freeway) and they are usually optioned out to the tits so you get rear massaging recliners with the rear refrigerator and entertainment system. The downside is that the batteries usually need replacement by now (not costly if you go aftermarket) , and the trunk room gets reduced to something like 10 sq ft from 18 sq ft because of the battery compartment intruding into the space. I have the space and the funds for a “fun” or “interesting” third car, and while these are not “fun”, they would provide a soft and isolated ride that I miss at times.

The RX400h and RX450h and the other V6 hybrids are also all built in Japan instead of Canada or USA like their non hybrid counterparts. The hybrid drivetrain almost ensures you get a Japan built vehicle, and it makes a MASSIVE difference in build quality and longevity of the vehicle, look for the VIN to start with J. There have been domestically built Lexus hybrids but not a lot.

A new EV drivetrain is coming for Lexus and I’m looking forward to it. I doubt that they will have the raw power of teslas, but the creature comforts may lure me back.

The hybrid V6 they are using in the LS500h and LC500h are pretty uninspiring on paper, and are receiving disappointing reviews.

I’m not sure if Lexus has a plug in hybrid out right now. That is the system that will win over people who are not yet ready for full electric. I know that I was in that camp for a long time until I got to do some extended drives in teslas.
 
My last car was a Lexus LS. I had intended to take that car to 500k miles. It was an absolute tank. Ran like a new car with 200k+ on it. (However I’ll note that I was proactive on maintenance with OEM parts and only trusted Toyota specialist independent mechanics touching it). Every single LS400,430,460 is a potential 500k+ mile car. But that is because they are ridiculously overbuilt and over engineered for reliability, comfort, and familiarity. They are Toyota’s peak and their pride and joy. But that doesn’t sell cars to rich people who are overly conscious of what their other rich friends think of their car. But they make tremendous used car values. It really is the best used car you can buy and once you own one, it is hard to drive anything else.

I flirt with the idea of picking up another LS460 for long trips., but I don’t really think I will gain anything out of it other than another older vehicle to maintain.

I’m not expecting my Tesla to be as robust as my Lexus but it’s clearly a departure in terms of ownership and construction. There is less to fail, and less to fix. Repairs will be component level and I’m ok with that.

If EV ownership becomes a pain in the ass, I’m going to get into an off lease LS500, used 2015-17 LS460, or similar GX460, Lx460, or if prices normalize, a GS-F. But I don’t see that happening at this point.
I would also add older BMW engines on that list as cars built like tanks. They're often overlooked for the likes of Lexus, but appreciation is there and prices for M52tu, M54, and older inline 6 powerplants are creeping up in value. Perhaps the best hidden secret for reliable cars that aren't overpriced like 90s Lexus and Toyota have to be 90s and early 2000s BMW. If you're comfortable removing the intake to replace the starter on a 1uz, you can do repair on a M generation inline 6 from BMW.
 
I have about 30 Phillips Hue bulbs and fixtures inside and outside of my house. It’s pretty nice to wake up to a gentle brightening color scheme, different moods for movies or chilling, and different holidays for the exterior lights. But the best part is having certain lights come on upon arrival at home at certain times. The lights connect to a proprietary bridge that is connected to my router.

I’m not really worried that 400lb 4chan hackers will trigger the Dilawi holiday setting and set the brightness change cycle parameter to minimum time and turn my living room into a disco.

Right now I’m enjoying the custom Sneed color pallet that is based on a picture of Sneed. It’s pretty comfy even for a city slicker. Please do not hack my bulbs to fuck and suck.

I was quite the normie/consooooomer in the past and got just as excited as you did when I first got a Philips Hue starter set many years ago. Reflecting on those few years as a user, the only advantage of those lights were the "Wake up to gentle brightening" you described during winter - even then, a non-smart, non-wireless alternative is easy to come by.

And because of the retarded switch wiring and placement of switches/sockets of that rental, the wireless control of several lights placed apart from each other from 1 remote was much appreciated. This isn't a common use case though.

The other features were either shit or useless:
  • Different colors - cool to play with for the first couple of weeks but my lights were on warm white like 99.9% of the time
  • Remote control via app - again, cool for the first few weeks then I got sick of having to pull out my phone every fucking time I wanted to switch on/off/dim the lights and bought a few physical switches to place around the room.
  • Lights on upon arrival home - Back then, I already didn't like the idea of a fucking lighting app having location access on my phone so I never used it.
    • Also I never saw any practical use for it. Quite often, I would go home after work, toss my stuff and change, and go out.
    • Also it's literally a fucking button press to turn on/off the lights. How fucking lazy are people.
    • Also, unlike a heater or airconditioning, there's no fucking benefit to having the lights come on before you step in the door.
  • On/off scheduling - Who comes home and goes to bed at the exact same time every single day for this to be useful. Also, see above - it's a fucking button press, stop being a lazy fucker in the name of "MUH CONVENIENCE"
    • I can see how this can be helpful to deter intruders when you're on vacation but it doesn't cost much to have motion sensing lights in the porch and/or leave certain lights on 24/7 while you're away from a week.
  • Light sync with desktop/TV - never managed to get it to work, never saw the point anyway. You're fucking over yourself by having lights behind your screen, unlike what the marketing brochure says about hElPiNg iNcReAsE tEh CoNtRaSt!!!
  • Having a bunch of lights of different shapes and sizes - fucking why
    • I don't want anything other than standard-sized bulbs because I don't want to have to replace the WHOLE FUCKING FIXTURE when the light dies
    • On top of that, those Philips Hue bulbs and fixtures are FUCKING EXPENSIVE dude
    • Can't see the fucking point of getting all your lights on a mobile phone app... the "convenience" is instantly defeated when you have to pull out your phone every fucking time you go into a different room. USE A PHYSICAL LIGHT SWITCH.
Since then, I've both moved and woken up - I now do NOT want any of that wireless/smart home shit in my house. Especially after spending time reading about how corporations and globalists are working together to fuck over humanity (I'd suggest reading any 20 pages within this thread as a starting point), I now DEFINITELY DO NOT want to even give away ANY more information to the deep globalist state than necessary, down to what time I switch on/off my lights - indicating what time I'm home and what time I sleep and wake up.

On topic: I considered an EV in the past, again when I was still rather asleep and not doing much research into various marketing claims (propaganda). These days, fuck I'm never going to get an EV. I like how the whole movement went from "Saving teh planet" to "Uhhh the ride comfort and quietness and ERMAHGERD DA HIGH TECH N TOUCHSCREENS" the moment the true energy source of most EV charging was revealed to be coal and the globohomo elites burn dead dinosaurs that offset your entire lifetime's worth of "carbon footprint savings" in one private jet ride on their annual visit to the WEF Davos child-molesting forum.

Also I wouldn't touch any car, EV or ICE, which relies on touchscreens for shit as basic as turning the AC on/off or controlling music volume. Physical buttons for real men. Touchscreens for faggots.
 
Above something like 20 mph, most of the noise from cars (along with most of the particulate pollution) comes from the wheels.
This one was idling at a stoplight, yet it sounded like a gas motor idling.

It was a hot summer day, so I thought it may have been some kind of cooling system.

I keep reading that as "ice", so my brain thinks it's funny how that describes something that uses heat to work.
 
Back