The Gun Control Debate Thread - Controlling autism since 2022

[Justtocheck]

Can you ever make even a single decent point?

"Oh, no, big gun scary! BAN GOV PLEASE!!!!!"

Yes. That the 556 is a dangerous round. Almost certainly deadly when you take one to the torso or head. A show stopper. A kid in Uvalde got shot in the head and had to be identified by DNA testing. It's used as ammo for military use. It CAN kill deer if you use high grain ammo. This fag is trying to say is a varmin round.

And yes, mass shootings, spree killings, etc. semantics. Stoping loners who want to go for the highscore. It's either gun control or turning America into Israel with armed security at every place where there are more than 12 people gathered. Which the latter will never happen.

 

[LeChampion1992]

Yes. That the 556 is a dangerous round. Almost certainly deadly when you take one to the torso or head. A show stopper. A kid in Uvalde got shot in the head and had to be identified by DNA testing. It's used as ammo for military use. It CAN kill deer if you use high grain ammo. This fag is trying to say is a varmin round.

And yes, mass shootings, spree killings, etc. semantics. Stoping loners who want to go for the highscore. It's either gun control or turning America into Israel with armed security at every place where there are more than 12 people gathered. Which the latter will never happen.

The 5.56 is a varmint caliber round. I dunno if you know ballistics but I do.

The reason the 5.56 is so deadly is at close range most armors can't withstand a rifle round. Fundamentally the 5.56x45 is a rifle. It's meant to deal with coyotes and feral hogs

It isn't some super killing round nor is it meant for hunting larger game. hunting Elk, Deer, Moose, and Bear you want to use a large caliber round. there is a reason I wouldn't have a varmint caliber ie 5.56 for hunting deer but I would happily take a .308 Winchester or 30-06

A gun is meant to kill that's it's intended job. unless you ban all guns from everyone and only entrust the state to carry guns (which I'm totally sure In no way will this lead to tyranny.)

a .556 is a varmint round. It's too weak to legally be used to hunt deer in most states.

By law, news media should be required to leave the report at "Some fag shot up a supermarket in Buffalo" and then only talk about the victims from that point on.

If the tranny flag were painted on all guns, it would become the gun flag overnight.

It can be used but I wouldn't use a 5.56 on deer or elk because there isn't a Knockdown effect that a larger caliber like a 30-06,.270 Winchester, or .308 Winchester would have

I actually like the idea of ignoring the shooting and focusing on the victims instead but the media has an agenda to disarm the populace for their gay globohomo agenda.

 

[Justtocheck]

The people in Uvalde were so fucking retards. In a VICE report, they actually said "this is a picture of our children befory they passed away"

They got fucking murdered. They did not pass away. Texas should pull the trigger on themselves for all of America's benefit.

 

[Dyn]

I know you're probably trolling, but there is a trick being played here. Statistics require things to have clear definitions and you're sort of mixing and matching terms as it's convenient for your argument.

Your real concern isn't mass shooters, it's spree killers.

Yeah, I used a number I heard without checking it, but I meant spree killers all along. Gun control stops spree killers.

 

[Particle Bored]

Yes. That the 556 is a dangerous round. Almost certainly deadly when you take one to the torso or head. A show stopper. A kid in Uvalde got shot in the head and had to be identified by DNA testing. It's used as ammo for military use. It CAN kill deer if you use high grain ammo. This fag is trying to say is a varmin round.

And yes, mass shootings, spree killings, etc. semantics. Stoping loners who want to go for the highscore. It's either gun control or turning America into Israel with armed security at every place where there are more than 12 people gathered. Which the latter will never happen.

And yet the deadliest school shooting in the US was perpetrated using these:


Which were firing 9mm and 22LR.


(I suspect the vast majority of civilian gun deaths in the US come from 9mm)

And of course there are many calibers more powerful than 5.56. I could chamber my AR in 22LR or 9mm or .50 Beowulf. I could get a Garand semiauto in .308. So what exactly is your rubric?

 

[Justtocheck]

And yet the deadliest school shooting in the US was perpetrated using these:
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Which were firing 9mm and 22LR.
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(I suspect the vast majority of civilian gun deaths in the US come from 9mm)

And of course there are many calibers more powerful than 5.56. I could chamber my AR in 22LR or 9mm or .50 Beowulf. I could get a Garand semiauto in .308. So what exactly is your rubric?

Could the Las Vegas shooting in pulse or from Stephen Paddock been done with two handguns? There was also a massacre in Japan where a nut killed 19 people at a disabled care home with a knife and the arson attack on the anime studio. But the tools do matter in facilitation of sprees. It's obvious. Rifles do make it easier.

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deaths/index.html

 

[Begemot]

I don't use the libcuck gun-grabber definition of "mass shooting", and it's kind of shameful that you do.

The Lindt Cafe shooting was pretty close, though, yeah?

 

[Dyn]

The Lindt Cafe shooting was pretty close, though, yeah?

Kind of, it was a super autistic retard terrorist trying to force the media to let him make a statement and our retard cops bungled it until he panicked when all the hostages tried to run away. I don't think he went in planning to kill anyone.

Monash U was a legit spree shooting here I overlooked, though.

 

[Begemot]

Kind of, it was a super autistic retard terrorist trying to force the media to let him make a statement and our retard cops bungled it until he panicked when all the hostages tried to run away. I don't think he went in planning to kill anyone.

Monash U was a legit spree shooting here I overlooked, though.

Yeah, I forgot about how the Lindt Cafe guy had years of priors being a Shia gibbering nutjob or something. You are right, it was a hostage scenario turned fucked by the fact that NSW police apparently didn't have a trained hostage negotiation team, if memory serves me correctly.

The Monash thing was just a straight-up spree shooting. I'd still take Howard's decision over the alternative though, most Australians would. The numbers don't lie. I don't care if it makes me a 'socialist' cuck to some septic cunt.

 

[Particle Bored]

Could the Las Vegas shooting in pulse or from Stephen Paddock been done with two handguns?

Of course.

 

[LeChampion1992]

The people in Uvalde were so fucking retards. In a VICE report, they actually said "this is a picture of our children befory they passed away"

They got fucking murdered. They did not pass away. Texas should pull the trigger on themselves for all of America's benefit.

Why do you sound like an extremely spiteful individual.

Yeah, I used a number I heard without checking it, but I meant spree killers all along. Gun control stops spree killers.

There should definitely be a difference between spree killers and mass shooters. A spree killer tends to choose places with little defense and maximum horror. The problem is their rarity and quite often Only banning all firearms seems half effective at stopping spree killer. However as we saw in China and Japan spree killers are more of a rare social phenomenon then a product of lax gun laws.

 

[Dyn]

I'd still take Howard's decision over the alternative though, most Australians would.

It's easy for us to say though, over here owning guns to protect yourself from other people is seen as prepper-tier paranoid, and nobody did it even before the restrictions. If we had to live in a failing state like the US where you need to take out a million dollars in college debt to make $7 an hour at an Amazon distro, full-time workers still need to go on the welfare, the cops are violent untrained apes and the government destroyed their own social fabric with crack rock to own the reds, we'd probably want easier access to firearms too.

 

[Begemot]

It's easy for us to say though, over here owning guns to protect yourself from other people is seen as prepper-tier paranoid, and nobody did it even before the restrictions. If we had to live in a failing state like the US where you need to take out a million dollars in college debt to make $7 an hour at an Amazon distro, full-time workers still need to go on the welfare, the cops are violent untrained apes and the government destroyed their own social fabric with crack rock to own the reds, we'd probably want easier access to firearms too.

Yeah, I think those things are deffo connected, the way U.S workers have been bamboozled into this weird proud libertarianism with no safety net

I was reading a Reddit (sorry ) thread about how an Australian family visited the U.S in the 1980's. They were pulled over by the cops and the father left the car to talk to the cop, like "What's the problem, mate", kind of thing, The cop pulls out a gun and barks at him to get into the car. Every American in the thread was saying it was normal to stay in your car with your hands on the wheel seemingly petrified. It was like Stockholm syndrome or something.

I'm guessing I'm definitely far more of a cleanskin than you, I've had no contact with Australian police apart from getting something ID'd. That said, I'm a clean-shaven crew-cut white male with a general Australian accent, I've never been bothered by police or PSOs on the train. So I'd imagine my view of them is different from the reality you've mentioned in your other posts but they seem more....sedate than the U.S police. Even in our version of cops the police here seem more amenable to talking people down.

 

[Dyn]

Yeah, I think those things are deffo connected, the way U.S workers have been bamboozled into this weird proud libertarianism with no safety net

As far as class consciousness goes, America doesn't have any poor people. They just have millionaires with lifelong cashflow problems.

I'm guessing I'm definitely far more of a cleanskin than you, I've had no contact with Australian police apart from getting something ID'd. That said, I'm a clean-shaven crew-cut white male with a general Australian accent, I've never been bothered by police or PSOs on the train. So I'd imagine my view of them is different from the reality you've mentioned in your other posts but they seem more....sedate than the U.S police. Even in our version of cops the police here seem more amenable to talking people down.

Our cops are corrupt bullies, American cops are terrified bullies. If you're not involved in doing dirt you'll probably never have a bad experience with our cops, and you'll certainly never have to wonder if they'll randomly shoot you halfway through a traffic stop because they got frightened by a loud noise.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Yes. That the 556 is a dangerous round. Almost certainly deadly when you take one to the torso or head.

Many are. You can die from 9mm as well if you take it to the torso and the head.

It's used as ammo for military use. It CAN kill deer if you use high grain ammo.

So is 9mm. What's your point?

This fag is trying to say is a varmin round.

It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.

And yes, mass shootings, spree killings, etc. semantics

Not really. One is specifically undefined term to be used for political bullshit, the other is more clearly defined.

It's either gun control or turning America into Israel with armed security at every place where there are more than 12 people gathered. Which the latter will never happen.

As I've shown many times in the thread, gun control hasn't worked in US, and can not even theoretically work in US.

In fact it has been proven that more guns equals less crime:

1 (examples of DC, Britain, Chicago)
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Increasing the amount of people who conceal carry would also decrease crime:
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Could the Las Vegas shooting in pulse or from Stephen Paddock been done with two handguns? There was also a massacre in Japan where a nut killed 19 people at a disabled care home with a knife and the arson attack on the anime studio. But the tools do matter in facilitation of sprees. It's obvious. Rifles do make it easier.

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deaths/index.html

Yes, those shootings could have been done by handguns (in fact the vegas shooter did use them alongside his other weapons). Two, rifles are barely used in crime, like I already showed you with stats many times. And that's even before addressing that most if not nearly all gun crime is done by illegal guns, not legal ones (again, stats in the thread)

 

[SITHRAK!]

I don't use the libcuck gun-grabber definition of "mass shooting", and it's kind of shameful that you do.

Ah, throwing it back on me. Classy move. Surely we’ll all now just forget your blatantly false claims of ‘no mass shootings since the gun buyback’.
Never change, bloke.

You said a .556 is a varmint round? How can you be such a retard? You do know that's what the US military uses for it's main battle rifle, the M4?

.223 Remington (AKA 5.56x45) was a light sporting round for six years before being adopted as a military round in 1970. As a sporting round it was a varminter, suitable for targets up to about the size and weight of coyotes. It’s absolutely not a reliable killing round with larger bodied game.

As far as its military application, people far smarter and more knowledgable than you have pointed out it’s shortcomings, which is why it’s being replaced by a beefier cartridge in next-gen weapons.



From ballisticstudies.com, a website dedicated to analysis of ballistic performance and terminal lethality for humane hunters.

 

[Dyn]

Surely we’ll all now just forget your blatantly false claims of ‘no mass shootings since the gun buyback’.

No, you should remember that I was wrong. There was exactly one mass shooting here between now and 1996, and the guy used a legally purchased and registered firearm to do it.

My bad.

 

[updoot farmer]

Yeah, I think those things are deffo connected, the way U.S workers have been bamboozled into this weird proud libertarianism with no safety net

Nobody got bamboozled. If we wanted a safety net, we would have stayed in Europe under the watchful eye of our kings.

 

[Justtocheck]

Why do you sound like an extremely spiteful individual.

sorry man.

 

[Netizennameless]

Could the Las Vegas shooting in pulse or from Stephen Paddock been done with two handguns?

oh boy, i have some bad news for you then: you can add a giggle switch to a glock handgun and use 100+ round drum magazines.

https://youtu.be/5jrHOI5x5mU

There was also a massacre in Japan where a nut killed 19 people at a disabled care home with a knife and the arson attack on the anime studio. But the tools do matter in facilitation of sprees. It's obvious. Rifles do make it easier.

Bombs are even easier than that and you can make them using basic household supplies. You are never going to eliminate the threat of other people entirely. A world without guns is a world where strong men do whatever they want and everyone else just learns to accept it.

https://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/25/world/japan-knife-attack-deaths/index.html

You would use CNN as your source. Really explains a lot honestly.