General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

Kson was never an idol nor did she ever want to be one.

She also has a big indie fanbase that would be a waste to leave by joining another company and starting from scratch.

Vshojo is the perfect place for KSon to be a part of. Anyone who says otherwise is basically just hating on Vshojo
Like? I don't think there is big enough company that can take her..

The one that has most of the popular streamers for starters: United Talent.
Talent agencies are not "idol orgs". They help with merchs, sponsorships, paid appearances, etc. Besides that, theres no interface with the viewers at all and most viewers don't even know they exist.

There are more agencies like that, that just do their job, which makes Vshoujo even a worse choice, because in practice Vshoujo only does what a normal talent agency does, while advertising its own name in the same way that a more "vtuber/idol" agency does, like Hololive or Nijisanji, linking themselves to the talent. They are the worst of both worlds as far as a business decision goes for an already established name.
 
Look on the bright side, now that Kson is with the progressive, woke company like Vshojo she doesn't have to hide her lesbian marriage to PJK because that'll be her new selling point to the audience. It's not like the organization can offer her anything more than what she can already do, now she can professionally wallflower in the background of group collabs while connor and mouse shriek over everyone.
 
Yes but thats never stopped the train before plus by the sounds it'd be a longer campaign with other vshojo girls/ friends and you know yourself, spazzes never let small truths get in the way of a rratposting
There wasnt even much dooming on here or other places about the previous time she did that though, mostly because it seems like they're much more casual and simpler affairs than mythbreakers ever was, trash taste's D&D is a bunch of retards doing it for fun, Mythbreakers was a bunch of co-workers doing it for fun and the novelty of doing tabletop. who also tried their best to squeeze out content, it took up the schedules of 5 somewhat profitable streamers, so it was probably more dropp-able compared to a one and done collab
 
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Finally Amelia steps in and does the right thing.


(After all, she's actually seen it)

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Kronii, however...


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Ripley's Believe It or Not!

No one in this picture has joined VShojo yet!
 
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He of course doesn't cover merch because he doesn't do merch in particular however we do know Hololive streamers get a lot out of it, moreso than Superchats that's for sure since the only cut is from production costs.

I'm mostly just surprised because I honestly thought that Vshojo wouldn't even have that heavy of a merch cut.
Vshoujo is not giving her any bridges or opportunities that she didn't have already. Its all about sponsorships/merch/etc.
HOLD IT. You guys are telling me that kson the woman that has earned 3.6 million $ in superchats alone joined Vshojo to sell merch? Sorry that sounds retarded.
Even if cover took 90% of her earnings as Coco she would still be a millionaire.
She did say some time ago that she had some big plans for future content but why would she need Vshojo for that? If I am not mistaken she did initially apply to cover for a management position and she helped in picking EN1 talents aswell - so... my pet rrat is that Kson wants some of those 11million vshojo raised to hire new talents and staff for Jp and turn the Vshojo jp branch into her own private agency. Or I am just high on copium and she just wants to act like a degenerate thot on twitch with her slutty new friends.
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800k as kson
2.8 million as coco
 
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IIRC most of Niji EN already unfollowed Kson a long time ago (probably just hoping for some easy clout), I think Rosemi lasted the longest but I couldn't say for sure exactly when she unfollowed. Hana, Bobon from ID and Gwelu from JP still follow her.
You know a rrat is low-quality when people here are going to fucking Reddit to find it.

While I do say that as a shitpost, there is a (fairly small I feel) argument to be made about being associated with them. Realistically they're a pretty solid normie crowd pleaser and as has been said I don't think most people actually give a fuck about drama on that front. They aren't familiar with the specifics of what makes people feel ways towards them.
Pretty much. Some people make the mistake of projecting KF and /vt/ onto the whole vtubing community as a whole.

Nobody here is particularly representative of the average vtuber fan. Maybe Nolan comes the closest. Most people do not give a shit about the stuff we devote dozens of pages to arguing about. VShojo is pretty blatantly successful, like it or not. More successful than thread darlings such as Phase Connect.

Ohh god mouse and connor on their panel talking about Karen hosting a DnD session with the 2 of them and few others can't wait to see doomposting to come
Based Welshman always knows how to deliver the seething.
 
I have said it before and i will say it again, vshojo will bring forth the final yab, one day, they will shake the vtuber community to its core and the shitstorm will be amazing to watch. The more power these uncontrolled retards get, the more able they are to start catfights and massive dramafests, just look at the shithole twitch is, all of these delusional, retarded streamers are never good at keeping things calm.
So with you on this lol

There is literally no one I give even a tiny slither of a shit about in VShojo "EN" and a few I actively dislike. If they blow up and take half the EN Vtuber community with them, I'd laugh my tits off.

I'm sure the "indie JP" Vtuber community is the same, but the EN community, holy shit. It's all cringe fuckers trying to get attention on Twitter if they're small, weird creepy groups like that LGBT "Rainbow Connect" or whatever they were called, or "uwu i'm a thot" streamers.
Ohh god mouse and connor on their panel talking about Karen hosting a DnD session with the 2 of them and few others can't wait to see doomposting to come
I don't think anyone is surprised though at this point. There's only so many times people can say "This is retarded" before they get bored of saying it.

At this point it feels like they are doing it specifically for a reaction, so why give them one? To be incredibly blunt, it's basically the only time I hear people talking about Ironmouse and all I hear people talking about with Calli is endless drama, so it's hardly hurting their careers doing it.

Already in this thread we have the standard "omg conor doomposting incoming!" whilst no one is doomposting and the only posts are from the people talking about how people will doompost. This has happened the last few times I've seen Conor/Ironmouse/Karen brought up in the thread. People repeatedly claim that the doomposting is coming and how everyone is SO MAD about it, but no one seems to care anymore.
Of course, there is a non-zero chance they will somehow implode but they've had less yabs in nearly 2 years of operations than either HL or NJ in the same time frame. Maybe if people huff more hopium they'll get to witness the Yellowstone of yabs from VS some time soon?
VShojo has like 6 members. Hololive has near 70 and NJ has over 100, both of which have numerous spheres of influence and areas of operation. HL's main issues have been generally from a single creator and then outside influences (Coco's Taiwan incident or Rushia just being a retard). If it wasn't Rushia (Number 2 in superchats) and Coco (Number one in superchats) would the dramas have been that big? No. NJ I've barely heard of any actual drama from apart from like the recent Vox thing (which blew over in 10 minutes).

VShojo's dramas have generally been both talent AND management related... such as allowing a doxing website to run pretending to be them, working with a guy to expose it and then turning on the guy and all of the talent coming out to talk about how they were afraid they were going to be murdered and calling out the guy publicly to cause a massive scene. Doing multiple hour long rant streams where they are crying on screen about being murdered and talking about the drama in depth whilst ordering clippers that they aren't allowed the clip the drama lol. HL doesn't even let the girls talk about Rushia to avoid drama.

HL's dramas have been big... because they're the biggest company. If one of VS's random talents mentioned Taiwan, no one would care, it wouldn't effect VS in any way because they don't even operate in China, their audience isn't Chinese. VS is so small, a lot of their dramas likely aren't even talked about. NJ's have either been nothing burgers or so small I haven't even heard of them. VShojo is a tiny company compared to either of those and yet their dramas have been big.

It's like you're comparing a charity under 21s football team that has weekly drama to an actual NFL team and going "Wow, see? The NFL team made front page news with their drama!"
She did say some time ago that she had some big plans for future content but why would need Vshojo for that? If I am not mistaken she did initially apply to cover for a management position and she helped in picking EN1 talents aswell - so... my pet rrat is that Kson wants some of those 11million vshojo raised to hire new talents and staff for Jp and turn the Vshojo jp branch into her own private agency. Or I am just high on copium and she just wants to act like a degenerate thot on twitch with her slutty new friends.
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I think that's a fair shout. Kson wanting to set up a new mini-agency inside JP with VShojo's monetary support for basically just Kson's friends would be my guess.
 
HOLD IT. You guys are telling me that kson the woman that has earned 3.6 million $ in superchats alone joined Vshojo to sell merch? Sorry that sounds retarded.
Even if cover took 90% of her earnings as Coco she would still be a millionaire.
She did say some time ago that she had some big plans for future content but why would she need Vshojo for that? If I am not mistaken she did initially apply to cover for a management position and she helped in picking EN1 talents aswell - so... my pet rrat is that Kson wants some of those 11million vshojo raised to hire new talents and staff for Jp and turn the Vshojo jp branch into her own private agency. Or I am just high on copium and she just wants to act like a degenerate thot on twitch with her slutty new friends.
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800k as kson
2.8 million as coco
No, it HAS to be merch or managerial position. Vshoujo offers nothing to her outside of that.
Yeah, theres really nothing they can offer her that would be better. She probably will have some managerial involvement.

Considering how Vshoujo works, I don't think they even take a cut from revenue(or pay salaries), since they act more like a talent agency(Only takes a cut from sponsors they get for the talent). So outside of offering her money, theres a ceiling to how much they can offer.


Or, there's also the very real possibility that she is just retarded.

There's also the even more real possibility of them telling her that they want her to build a team and has ultimate freedom to do w/e she wants........... but, theres no official position, she is not being paid and theres no pool of money to use either(Since they don't pay talent). So she is literally just getting them JP clients :story:
 
The one that has most of the popular streamers for starters: United Talent.
Talent agencies are not "idol orgs". They help with merchs, sponsorships, paid appearances, etc. Besides that, theres no interface with the viewers at all and most viewers don't even know they exist.

There are more agencies like that, that just do their job, which makes Vshoujo even a worse choice, because in practice Vshoujo only does what a normal talent agency does, while advertising its own name in the same way that a more "vtuber/idol" agency does, like Hololive or Nijisanji, linking themselves to the talent. They are the worst of both worlds as far as a business decision goes for an already established name.
She honestly have only have 2 option if she ever wants to be a corporate vtuber again she either go back to hololive and be Coco again or join Vshojo and maintain the Kson one.

The hololive option probably didn't happen because she still hates the restrictions of holo and she probably wants mikeneko with her which obviously won't happen.

HOLD IT. You guys are telling me that kson the woman that has earned 3.6 million $ in superchats alone joined Vshojo to sell merch? Sorry that sounds retarded.
Even if cover took 90% of her earnings as Coco she would still be a millionaire.
She did say some time ago that she had some big plans for future content but why would need Vshojo for that? If I am not mistaken she did initially apply to cover for a management position and she helped in picking EN1 talents aswell - so... my pet rrat is that Kson wants some of those 11million vshojo raised to hire new talents and staff for Jp and turn the Vshojo jp branch into her own private agency. Or I am just high on copium and she just wants to act like a degenerate thot on twitch with her slutty new friends.
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800k as kson
2.8 million as coco
Merch and Sponsorship is better than SC.
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Birthday merch sales for example.
 
@vestars20 I'm not sure about the sub 1k. Not sure if she was posted here or if she just popped on my Twitter and i just checked it out based on design.

Mireia - (JP) Debuted in April and does mostly covers. Another literal 2view. Very good singer (i think someone posted it here)

Ada M (EN) Singer. Not sure where I found this one. Maybe a youtube ad.

Lua Lucky - (EN) She has done a few game-related or programing related videos. I found her looking for 3rd Fes Watchalongs. Watched both days with her and it was pretty fun (skipped on Ollie because she was way too loud).




How the hell does Vshojo have a worse merch deal than Hololive? So if I'm reading this right how merch works is that Vshojo itself foots the production bill entirely themselves and as a result 80% of the sales goes to the company itself while the last 20% goes to the chuuba?
How is this worse? Yes maybe you won't make $1M in profits but you still get $200,000 while getting rid of any risk and work out of the equation. No risk of production costs going up over the predicted budget due to random shit in the market (like a country invading another and gas prices going up). You don't have to worry about having to deal with the manufacturer either. Its basically free money.

This is the equivalent of Asmongold having someone manage his youtube channel. He gets some revenue, gets exposure while at the same time he doesnt have to edit any videos nor does he have to work on it. Just pays some dude to do it for him and he gets some benefits without any of the work.

My thoughts on VShojo "talent freedom" remark is that its very easy when your members are all bunch of friends and associates. Lets see what happen to their management if they actually open the audition or recruitment to actual outsiders (hint: they wont).

KSon joining VShojo isnt shock me even abit. Remember when Coco was "Taiwaned" and graduated, the very first VTuber outside of Hololive who send the condolences is Melody? Remember when Coco explicitly wants to collab with Melody but barred for obvious reasons?

Doesnt meant that KSon is becoming lamer after joining them. KSon will be the same girl as before, just more VShojo members collab (incl. Veibae and Zen roflmao).
I think the whole auditions "open to everyone" thing is bullshit and they are just hoping a big indie decides to submit an application. Doubt they will pick any rando.

Friends? She just likes melody and ironmouse, my dude, its not rocket science.
Money also.

The downside is being in Vshojo. :smug:
While I do say that as a shitpost, there is a (fairly small I feel) argument to be made about being associated with them. Realistically they're a pretty solid normie crowd pleaser and as has been said I don't think most people actually give a fuck about drama on that front. They aren't familiar with the specifics of what makes people feel ways towards them.
A friend I have who has been back and forth on vtubing never seems aware of any drama happenings we bring up and mostly bounces around only some of Holo and some of Vshojo. He had no clue about any of the shit regarding Vshojo with Nux, let alone the other stuff that was far less notable or even the old Nyanners stuff.
Its funny because we make it out as if this place, and /vt/ are some sort of representation of the Vtuber community. Not only are we basically a small echo-chamber but we make up such a tiny percent that every single one of us could choose to unsub from any of these people and they would at most lose 2k subs out of hundreds of thousands. For a 5k sub indie, we are a massive audience and a massive force that can push their numbers up but for anyone in Vshojo, Hololive or even Niji we are nothing.

I mean shit, some retard made a twitter post finally realizing that Kson was Coco as if this was some sort of big discovery.

Kson was never an idol nor did she ever want to be one.

She also has a big indie fanbase that would be a waste to leave by joining another company and starting from scratch.

Vshojo is the perfect place for KSon to be a part of. Anyone who says otherwise is basically just hating on Vshojo
Its the same Kson but she now has a brand behind her. Her joining Vshojo or her joining something like Addidas would be the same thing.


Merch and Sponsorship is better than SC.
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Birthday merch sales for example.
Its hard for people to see this since its usually not a visible number.


I haven't been able to keep up with this thread for the past couple days (at least, not while sober) due to being at a family reunion, but I feel as though there needs to be more Pipkin representation:

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If I'm late, I'm late. I'm just sick of reading a million posts about VWhoever
reNPC currently streaming on Twitch drawing the loli with the dead cat.
 
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THE ROAD TO KOUSHIEN 2022, BABY.

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Very cool teaser vid makes baseball look fun
Prolly cause the bug hive has been kicked
Is it possible we are overthinking the Vshojo/KSON crossover and that, the big reason might be they might just all be friends? Sounds stupid but these are women. And it isn't like VShojo takes a huge cut or does much editing of member content. Sounds like gunrun has a basic "give us a small cut and we will do the annoying business-side and merch stuff". Nothing much to gain but nothing major to lose either. Beyond a very small handful of random Youtube comments, 4chan autists, us, and jilted twitter lolicons nobody cares about the Nyanners, Froot, or Vei dramas or the rrat about Ironmouse having a daughter.
Mouses daughter is not a rrat there is an interview where she confirms it https://no-cookie.kiwifarms.net/data/video/2680/2680021-8d2377689adf835effc9f0a6562cf77c.mp4?
No clue what timestamp tho
Not sure if anyone has brought it up yet but:

So, Kson was in LA and did no attempt at all to meet any of her old coworkers that happened to be there?

Damn
Maybe thats who Bae had dinner with?
Also im willing to bet having the talent say they hung irl with kson on their work accounts is prolly a no no
 
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