Debate newfag Cauchy on if trannies deserve anything

[Manwithn0n0men]

ALL TR***IES ARE GROOMERS
same shit as
ALL CONSERVATIVES ARE NAZIS
pure moral panic brainrot that will drive people apart from each other and fracture our society further and further

We arent talking Groomers mate.

We are talking the Medical Industrial Complex behind treating kids with gender issues in ways that were illegal 20ish years ago and only became legal in the 10s. And how an intensive profit pipeline was generated on a whole bunch of kids deciding to transition (of their own free will....and not influenced by teachers, society, their parents, etc) and making that decision even though it purposefully limits their ability to make a full transition (no bottom surgery for you).

When all prior research shows these kids growing out of it sometime in their late teens to twenties.

This is why their are more clinics providing "Gender Affirming Care" to kids [who have better insurance for it] then Adults

 

[DiggieSmalls]

 

[The Cunting Death]

I like animals, math and programming. In all honesty most cis women don't have any real hobbies.

name one (which isn't makeup or shopping [which I like both but don't consider them hobbies])

okay reason number one I hate nearly all trannies

you fuckers are unironically some of the most misogynistic people I've ever had the misfortune of talking to. Not in the feminist "omg he didn't bend to my knee" sort of way, I mean actual hatred of women sort of way. You fuckers think you're better than women yet try so hard to be them. It's to the point where you have to complain about the science behind this so scientists have to re-write their definitions of what women are. Then you talk shit like this. If this isn't peak narcissism I don't know what the fuck is.


If you're trying to persuade anyone here to not be a "transphobe" then you're doing a fucking horrible job.

 

[Pee Cola]

I'm tired and ready for a nap. Will reply to (respectful) posts in the evening.

OK Keffals

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

To answer your question @Cauchy, it's because looking for affirmation from a bunch of faceless goons on the internet is the most pathetic shit I have ever heard in my life.

I've actually met about three trannies total who oppose letting kids troon out, so they definitely exist, even if as a minority. I'm willing to bet they loathe themselves more than the usual, due to being more in touch with reality.

And "Gender Affirming Care" used to have standards.

Like spending time living as your desired gender before beginning transition.

Like spending time in Therapy before transitioning.

 

[Mayor Adam West]

I appreciate that you expressed your opinion calmly without telling me to kill myself. Gender reassignment definitely isn't some magic cure that works for everyone and some people regret it BUT for majority of people it improves gender dysphoria and overall well being.

Right. Look I may disagree with the solution but there’s no denying that there is a problem and that people like you are genuinely suffering. To give you an idea of where I’m coming from I’m Catholic so I view things from a very Catholic lens. The key theological problem with transgenderism is ensoulement. In order for transgenderism to be valid one would have to posses a soul which belongs to the opposite sex. I can’t really see God doing that. Sure, not everyone comes out of the womb perfect but such a scenario is just not possible. Nonetheless, I wish you nothing but the best. While I will admit that in my past I was genuinely transphobic, I have long since abandoned that un-Christian hate. I’m not gonna stink up the rest of the thread with a theological debate but if you really want to have that conversation my dms are open.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

I work in a major city, and I consider myself center-left-leaning. I'll give you a serious, non-shitposty answer.

I know three, that I work with, have for years, and occasionally have to socialize with outside of work. I have never in my life met a group of people more miserable, more entitled, more jealous and more delusionally hostile than a trans. Their "friends" are all some form of poly, or queer, and they're all constantly embroiled in shitty drama they feel like they have to drag others into.

I'm not opposed to letting adults do what they want with their lives and bodies, so long as it doesn't hurt others. I disagree with getting unalterable surgery and see it as barbaric as lobotomies were.

And here is the thing.

If GRS had a good rate of resolution of symptoms. We wouldn't be having this discussion. But (as in above) most trans folk people encounter in the world if they arent miserable about how BAD transitioning works out (for most people) they just project their old gender misery on other people and things.

Which means they were fundementally unhappy/ill and the Gender Dysphoric feelings was a symptom of their unhappiness and not the cause.

 

[Bob's Vagene]

non-binary folks exist, as gender evolves more people discover their true complex gender identities
a lot of gender non conforming people in the past didn't have the option to transition

No one needs to "transition". Just wear the fucking clothes you want and accept how you were born. You're not transitioning to anything. No one actually sees you as the other sex.. even if you mutilate your already tiny weewee or cut off your boobs.

 

[Israellover1234]

I appreciate that you expressed your opinion calmly without telling me to kill myself. Gender reassignment definitely isn't some magic cure that works for everyone and some people regret it BUT for majority of people it improves gender dysphoria and overall well being.

http://europepmc.org/article/med/25690443

fair enough, that's a reasonable position

plenty of transwomen pass perfectly and get killed for it

non-binary folks exist, as gender evolves more people discover their true complex gender identities
a lot of gender non conforming people in the past didn't have the option to transition

if I convince a single person reading this thread that transpeople are not some prime evil then I'm happy

absolutely true, and ALL conservatives are Nazis and want to kill jews and people of color

KYS retard

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

No one needs to "transition". Just wear the fucking clothes you want and accept how you were born. You're not transitioning to anything. No one actually sees you as the other sex.. even if you mutilate your already tiny weewee or cut off your boobs.

And wearing Pants doesnt make you non Binary (if you were born female)
And liking monster trucks doesnt make you non binary (if you were born female)

We need to establish a baseline thing to say *yes this is non-binary* for Females....because Non-Binary men INEVITABLY troon out. And the issue of Non-Binary males is much more complicated

 

[Cauchy]

Right. Look I may disagree with the solution but there’s no denying that there is a problem and that people like you are genuinely suffering. To give you an idea of where I’m coming from I’m Catholic so I view things from a very Catholic lens. The key theological problem with transgenderism is ensoulement. In order for transgenderism to be valid one would have to posses a soul which belongs to the opposite sex. I can’t really see God doing that. Sure, not everyone comes out of the womb perfect but such a scenario is just not possible. Nonetheless, I wish you nothing but the best. While I will admit that in my past I was genuinely transphobic, I have long since abandoned that un-Christian hate. I’m not gonna stink up the rest of the thread with a theological debate but if you really want to have that conversation my dms are open.

I don't see a reason to take this conversation private considering you're the only one actually trying to genuinely engage me rather than spouting hate and seething.

Regarding your Catholic perspective, is soul being gendered an accepted Catholic position? I always thought that soul was a rather abstract concept that had little to do with our earthly form.

I can’t really see God doing that.

Every day thousands of children are born with various genetic diseases (Down's syndrome etc.). Why would god allow that but not people born with gender dysphoria?

 

[My Name is Ed]

if I convince a single person reading this thread that transpeople are not some prime evil then I'm happy

We'll tell them to kill themselves as well. Congratulations on creating another victim of le ebil Kiwifarms bullying.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

I appreciate that you expressed your opinion calmly without telling me to kill myself. Gender reassignment definitely isn't some magic cure that works for everyone and some people regret it BUT for majority of people it improves gender dysphoria and overall well being.

http://europepmc.org/article/med/25690443

fair enough, that's a reasonable position

plenty of transwomen pass perfectly and get killed for it

non-binary folks exist, as gender evolves more people discover their true complex gender identities
a lot of gender non conforming people in the past didn't have the option to transition

if I convince a single person reading this thread that transpeople are not some prime evil then I'm happy

absolutely true, and ALL conservatives are Nazis and want to kill jews and people of color

Relevant Scrubs

"Where do you think you are?"

 

[Totallyunknown]

I appreciate that you expressed your opinion calmly without telling me to kill myself. Gender reassignment definitely isn't some magic cure that works for everyone and some people regret it BUT for majority of people it improves gender dysphoria and overall well being.

http://europepmc.org/article/med/25690443

fair enough, that's a reasonable position

plenty of transwomen pass perfectly and get killed for it

non-binary folks exist, as gender evolves more people discover their true complex gender identities
a lot of gender non conforming people in the past didn't have the option to transition

if I convince a single person reading this thread that transpeople are not some prime evil then I'm happy

absolutely true, and ALL conservatives are Nazis and want to kill jews and people of color

Oh look you didn't respond to a single viable criticism and latched on to the very little moderately neutral comments about troons, including the article you implored us to read which was broken down to be debated but you're wrong so there's no debate.

You're actually convincing people of the opposite because of your stereotypical representation of troons. In what way are you changing anyone's mind by repeating the same shit all of us have heard that has most likely led us to Kiwi Farms to be able to express the opposite.

I bet you argued for Chris Chan to have his pronouns respected after he fucked his mother with his male genitalia.

 

[Large]

I appreciate that you expressed your opinion calmly without telling me to kill myself. Gender reassignment definitely isn't some magic cure that works for everyone and some people regret it BUT for majority of people it improves gender dysphoria and overall well being.
http://europepmc.org/article/med/25690443

That's a self-report study.
Compare that with this study (not self-report) which found that:

Years since initiating hormone treatment was not significantly related to likelihood of mental health treatment (adjusted odds ratio=1.01, 95% CI=0.98, 1.03).

 

[Table Country]

Non sarai mai una donna.

I see we're multilingual here in this thread

 

[Montalbane]

I see we're multilingual here in this thread

We're a very diverse community of white supremacists.

 

[Cauchy]

That's a self-report study.
Compare that with this study (not self-report) which found that:

you conveniently omitted what comes after the sentence you quoted

However, increased time since last gender-affirming surgery was associated with reduced mental health treatment (adjusted odds ratio=0.92, 95% CI=0.87, 0.98 ).

Conclusions:​

In this first total population study of transgender individuals with a gender incongruence diagnosis, the longitudinal association between gender-affirming surgery and reduced likelihood of mental health treatment lends support to the decision to provide gender-affirming surgeries to transgender individuals who seek them.

 

[Israellover1234]

I don't see a reason to take this conversation private considering you're the only one actually trying to genuinely engage me rather than spouting hate and seething.

Regarding your Catholic perspective, is soul being gendered an accepted Catholic position? I always thought that soul was a rather abstract concept that had little to do with our earthly form.

Every day thousands of children are born with various genetic diseases (Down's syndrome etc.). Why would god allow that but not people born with gender dysphoria?

this retarded nigger actually wants to debate gods will.

reminder that god hates you and that you'll suffer forever for rejecting the natural order.

you will never pass, you will never be loved, you will only recieve validation my mentally ill internet people. you are a woman hating incel freak who does not deserve happyness.

 

[A Welsh Cake]

you conveniently omitted what comes after the sentence you quoted

Man hands typed this post