Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[Garbage.Theory]

I think it's unethical to knowingly pass on any genetic disorder or deformity. They could have selected normal embryos. That would have been the only ethical choice. Think of it how vets talk about SMASHED and SLAMMED animals. Lots of people like the look of dwarf animals and brachycephalic breeds. They think it's cute but most professionals consider it animal cruelty to breed them. It should be considered the same with humans. You have to think, not just of how society currently is, but how these people would fare if society collapsed. Could they survive without modern medical care?

She might have had HCM- hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. It's the most common case of sudden cardiac death in young healthy athletes. Not sure about healthy young non-athletes but probably.

I mean, I have a straight up minor facial deformity my dude. I’m fine.

One man’s genetic disorder is another man’s variation of species. Though I will go so far to say that I agree with you when the disorder is especially debilitating, but we’re a long way from being able to screen every embryo for genetic fuckery early enough for parents to make a sensible decision about it.

 

[Flourishing Pinecone ❧]

This Spud case is showing all the signs.

Reading between the lines, sounds like she has some huge bleed on her brain (likely subarachnoid haemorrhage), she's fallen and cracked her head on the ground? In the down time her brain has probably squished through and ruined her brain stem like Archie.
Not sure why on earth the hosptial would want CCTV of this.

Sounds completely tragic, but the timing with Archie is very unfortunate. The poor staff at these ICUs must be struggling to deal with these mad women.

 

[lolcow yoghurt]

She also put other pics up to prove he keeps temp and is thriving:

He is warm because he is given oxygen and stuff. His body is burning itself. That's also why he loses weight. His dead brain doesn't control his body.

A car engine uses oxygen to burn fuel and is warm, does it make it alive? No. Archie is like that now.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

Oh lord, another one. Found this on the dignity for all FB


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This one has spoken to Hollie and taking her advice.

Comments say Archie’s army have started trolling Guy’s website leaving awful reviews.

Their surname (Spudiene/Spudyte) is
Lithuanian. I wouldn't be surprised if Orinta's parents or grandparents immigrated to the UK in the early 1990s and the whole family have worked their asses off since. The the spelling of her mom's surname indicates that she's married (or possibly widowed), so I'm curious if her dad has weighed in at all.

I'm wondering if Orinta was using stimulants to stay awake and working. Really sad.

 

[quickaskzoey]

This Spud case is showing all the signs.

Hospital’s responsibility to get CCTV footage of her fall because the police won’t.
Negligence from the hospital
Hospital likened to auschwitz
Condition could still turn around
Brain still “partially alive”
Hospital withholding information
Mum not getting that the “child” is an adult.

Go fund me all set up for “legal fees”.

I have a feeling the Archie thing is going to mean more idiot parents trying to force hospitals to keep their dead kids on life support.

Hollie must have given her a cheat sheet when they had their little chat.

 

[buoyverificationfuel]

You have to think, not just of how society currently is, but how these people would fare if society collapsed. Could they survive without modern medical care?

How well would the average person in the current year survive if society collapsed though? There are disabled people who were in scouts programs or enjoy hunting. There are genetically and medically unremarkable people who are fucked if they can't google a tutorial.
Besides, humans are social and I like to believe that we tend to be good by default. Some kind soul would help people in need.

 

[Garbage.Theory]

How well would the average person in the current year survive if society collapsed though? There are disabled people who were in scouts programs or enjoy hunting. There are genetically and medically unremarkable people who are fucked if they can't google a tutorial.
Besides, humans are social and I like to believe that we tend to be good by default. Some kind soul would help people in need.

Easy to tell. Look at the global population now vs. even 200 years ago.

Plus we have a modern equivalent of a society collapsing, the USSR. It doesn’t look like some Mad Max fantasy, hell it didn’t even look that way after the Bronze Age collapse.

As for kind souls helping the disabled, ehhh, I think lots of people would want to, and maybe would if they were family, but the reason the US has social security for the elderly was because people were tossing out their elderly relatives into the street during the Great Depression. When things get tight people make tough decisions, and severely disabled people aren’t going to be on the top of a lot of peoples lists.

(Look what happened with Covid)

 

[GenociderSyo]

So it looks like they did an off vent test and archie failed it or something. Of course Hollie is stating it was the hospital trying to harm him.

She's also REALLY pissed at DFA for getting facts right.

 

[everybody in Portugal]

> Your actually perfectic

.....What?

And nobody is 'slaundering' your kids, Hollie. They might be speaking uncomfortable truths about you and Ella, but nobody out there is speaking ill of Archie. pointing out the inconsistencies in your story isn't libel or slander (or even slaunder, for that matter). In this instance it's speaking truth to idiocy.

ETA just realised she probably meant 'pathetic'. Kinda like her grasp of her mother tongue, then.

 

[Bishbashbosh]

Hollie wants to bring outside people in to do physio and hospital of course is against it at the moment. She also put other pics up to prove he keeps temp and is thriving:
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Is he wearing this stockings that help prevent blood clots here? His eyes are so sunken here

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

I believe she made it clear to Archie that her "love" for him was conditioned on his extreme athletic performance and that itself hurt him to the point he couldn't take it any more.

Is there any real evidence/indication she "made it clear" that she "conditioned" love on performance? I mean beyond assumptions about her socioeconomic class and drawn from her personal (non-parental-specific) behaviors?

Plenty of crazy parents push their kids hard/too hard and though it *can* mean conditional love (or seem that way), most kids don't truly believe that literally...at least not without other indicia of dislike/love, such as neglect, physical /verbal/emotional abuse, threats, etc.

The bigger issues would seem to be a possibly chaotic and/or criminal household, no? The kind of homelife that might suggest a custodial parent (or both) is self-absorbed and unmindful of boundaries, and has created a home full of things a child shouldn't be around? There are rumors of drugs (right?) and her choice of (openly promoted) occupation is PG13-to-R-rated, at minimum. Especially acute complications for a tween boy.

And as a side note, unfortunately for me, in my mind, the faces of this woman and Jill Rodrigues (the fundie mom with her own thread) have merged into one. Just a blur of permed 80s hair and black eyeliner, each a probably terrible mother in her own way.

I think it's unethical to knowingly pass on any genetic disorder or deformity.

This is dumb. For reference, here is a (non-comprehensive ) list of genetic disorders:

https://www.genome.gov/For-Patients-and-Families/Genetic-Disorders

Autism, breast cancer, colon cancer, prostate cancer, and skin cancer are on the list.

 

[Jeep1971]

Is there any real evidence/indication she "made it clear" that she "conditioned" love on performance? I mean beyond assumptions about her socioeconomic class and drawn from her personal (non-parental-specific) behaviors?

Plenty of crazy parents push their kids hard/too hard and though it *can* mean conditional love (or seem that way), most kids don't truly believe that literally...at least not without other indicia of dislike/love, such as neglect, physical /verbal/emotional abuse, threats, etc.

The bigger issues would seem to be a possibly chaotic and/or criminal household, no? The kind of homelife that might suggest a custodial parent (or both) is self-absorbed and unmindful of boundaries, and has created a home full of things a child shouldn't be around? There are rumors of drugs (right?) and her choice of (openly promoted) occupation is PG13-to-R-rated, at minimum. Especially acute complications for a tween boy.

And as a side note, unfortunately for me, in my mind, the faces of this woman and Jill Rodrigues (the fundie mom with her own thread) have merged into one. Just a blur of permed 80s hair and black eyeliner, each a probably terrible mother in her own way.

I come here daily hoping this poor child has been allowed to go.

 

[A Detachable Penis]

Speaking of the arse.....would his bowels be "sloughing off" at this point? Medfags?
I recall a nurse testifying at one point that Jahis gut was sloughing off.

The mucous layer dies first because it isn't being renewed, but if there's blood flow and some parasympathetic nervous system activity.... it might keep regenerating.

How well would the average person in the current year survive if society collapsed though? There are disabled people who were in scouts programs or enjoy hunting. There are genetically and medically unremarkable people who are fucked if they can't google a tutorial.
Besides, humans are social and I like to believe that we tend to be good by default. Some kind soul would help people in need.

We can look to history and isolated groups. Any child that was a spud who couldn't contribute to the group would be tossed to the curb. Anything too deformed would be put down at birth.

 

[Naerys]

This is dumb. For reference, here is a (non-comprehensive ) list of genetic disorders:

https://www.genome.gov/For-Patients-and-Families/Genetic-Disorders

Autism, breast cancer, colon cancer, prostate cancer, and skin cancer are on the list.

And don’t forget high cholesterol. Is ANYONE still allowed to procreate if we exclude everyone with a condition on this list?

 

[Tovarisz]

We can look to history and isolated groups. Any child that was a spud who couldn't contribute to the group would be tossed to the curb. Anything too deformed would be put down at birth.

Or look to the Animal Kingdom, deformed offspring is often left for dead or eaten to regain energy and that's if there isn't a deathmatch between the little ones.

Honestly, IMO, all ultra pro-lifers should declare themselves as such officially and be forced to pay a special tax going towards support for all care centers and all benefits for families of "special" kids. Like put your wallet where your mouth is or stfu and fuck off, it's easy to fight for the rights of some "incompatible with life" infant or a corpse on tubes when it's for everyone's cash, having the pool be more limited and more personal might just bring some more sanity into that group's way of thinking.

 

[booklover]

Older maternal age perhaps?

And paternal age too.

A somewhat stupid idea. Two dwarf individuals have a 1/4th chance of producing an embryo with two copies of the gene, which leads to extreme shortening of the limbs and restricted ribcage (aka thanatophoric, tho I believe it depends on the mutations involved for the severity to be that bad).

Most of that quarter will be stillborn, so you're playing with reduced odds which is also stupid for parents to be. I mean, tis what genetic counseling is for so it's up to them if they want to play the odds.

It depends on the type of dwarfism. This may not apply if they have different types.

 

[Mouth of ᾍδης]

Or look to the Animal Kingdom, deformed offspring is often left for dead or eaten to regain energy and that's if there isn't a deathmatch between the little ones.

Here’s a weird exception: it might not be a superb example, seeing as they’re extinct, but fossil evidence suggests that sabre-toothed cats cared for disabled members of their species.

 

[SpiceyHuman]

Horrifying on so many levels. What mother kisses her corpse, I mean, son like this?

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Really *any* genetic fuckup? There's not one human on this earth who doesn't have a genetic fuckup or some kind of legacy in their genes. You might not even know what you were passing on, some things don't get bad until you're older.
None of the autists here would even exist.

Anything that can be screened for. No one can be blamed for not knowing they passed something on, but it's plainly visible to the naked eye with a deformity like dwarfism.

This Spud case is showing all the signs.
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Hospital’s responsibility to get CCTV footage of her fall because the police won’t.
Negligence from the hospital
Hospital likened to auschwitz
Condition could still turn around
Brain still “partially alive”
Hospital withholding information
Mum not getting that the “child” is an adult.

Go fund me all set up for “legal fees”.

I have a feeling the Archie thing is going to mean more idiot parents trying to force hospitals to keep their dead kids on life support.

She looks like she might be thin but I can only see her face. Maybe she had an ED. So sad. Thanks a lot Hollie for spreading your misery that I'm sure you'd claim you wouldn't want another parent to go through.

I mean, I have a straight up minor facial deformity my dude. I’m fine.

One man’s genetic disorder is another man’s variation of species. Though I will go so far to say that I agree with you when the disorder is especially debilitating, but we’re a long way from being able to screen every embryo for genetic fuckery early enough for parents to make a sensible decision about it.

There are some deformities that aren't genetic and if it doesn't affect your quality of life, I don't think it's a big deal. I agree the dehabilating conditions should take precedent and I don't think regular dwarfs are tard babies lol, since they have normal iq.

Is there any real evidence/indication she "made it clear" that she "conditioned" love on performance? I mean beyond assumptions about her socioeconomic class and drawn from her personal (non-parental-specific) behaviors?

Plenty of crazy parents push their kids hard/too hard and though it *can* mean conditional love (or seem that way), most kids don't truly believe that literally...at least not without other indicia of dislike/love, such as neglect, physical /verbal/emotional abuse, threats, etc.

The bigger issues would seem to be a possibly chaotic and/or criminal household, no? The kind of homelife that might suggest a custodial parent (or both) is self-absorbed and unmindful of boundaries, and has created a home full of things a child shouldn't be around? There are rumors of drugs (right?) and her choice of (openly promoted) occupation is PG13-to-R-rated, at minimum. Especially acute complications for a tween boy.

And as a side note, unfortunately for me, in my mind, the faces of this woman and Jill Rodrigues (the fundie mom with her own thread) have merged into one. Just a blur of permed 80s hair and black eyeliner, each a probably terrible mother in her own way.


This is dumb. For reference, here is a (non-comprehensive ) list of genetic disorders:

https://www.genome.gov/For-Patients-and-Families/Genetic-Disorders

Autism, breast cancer, colon cancer, prostate cancer, and skin cancer are on the list.

Lots of common disorders like some cancers and autoimmune diseases are thought to have a genetic component. But environment and other factors matter a lot too. I'm talking about monogenic diseases that can and should be screened out.

And don’t forget high cholesterol. Is ANYONE still allowed to procreate if we exclude everyone with a condition on this list?

I don't think that's a fair comparison. That's a complex trait like t2d that has a lot of controllable environmental factors.
Achondroplasia (most common form of dwarfism) is autosomal dominant, so there's a 50 percent chance for the offspring to get it, 25 to be normal and 25 to have Paisley's condition. Obviously they should select a normal embryo. Life is already hard enough and there are a million ways you could be maimed and disabled during your life, no need to have people born disabled if it's preventable.

 

[candle tiger]

You know, I didn't expect mask off eugenics to be the topic today, but I guess it was way overdue for a thread like tard baby general.