Incel and Lonely Men Debate thread - Defend men giving up or tell them otherwise

[White Pride Worldwide]

Oh wow, what a gay thread.


That's completely insane.

Most men just look like men, which is something women are generally happy with.
There's the joke about white girls fucking dogs, but in a sense that's sort of what they look for. Loyal, protective, honest, non-judgemental, someone they can do things with; hell, most white women's dogs are horribly behaved and refuse to listen to them anyways so it's not like they expect you to follow orders or something.

I realize women online say...actually there's no reason to finish that sentence, because it's absurd to even acknowledge. The only way to know how someone feels is to interact with them face to face, especially when we're talking about women, and especially the kind of fucking nutty broads you're going to find on social media and dating sites, since both those things are shit.

Don't be dumb, women don't suddenly become happy with being alone because they see ripped dudes online, or because they can get some disgusting skeeve to show up and have selfish, unsatisfying sex with them then leave. This is a mutual issue, the world sucks for everyone atm.

Edit: Judging by your pfp, it would probably help if you'd stop thirsting over e-thots.

What woman say and what woman do are two entirely different things. Women will lie to your face saying they didn't cheat on you but still cheat on you.

 

[Zoomer Cringelord]

I can follow your logic here but you are jumping to conclusions. Lets consider that everything now a days is more or less done through social media, most people meet their gfs on platforms like tinder and with the rise of the pandemic it only exacerbated the issue even further for men. The idea of "day game", "warm approaching", "cold approaching", "night game" simply don't work any more with even Roosh v stopping his grift when it comes to that pua shit. Lets also consider the fact that marriages have a 50% failure rate. When you combine these factors on top of having to compete against men within a 50 mile radius of you instead of the few guys you knew in your immediate friend circle, it makes sense as to why a lot of men give up because they can't measure up to a 6'6 giga chad and start blaming women for their impossibly high standards. You also get over it eventually, after a while your anger subsides and you just become depressed and hopeless. The problem is that the dating market is too unfair to men and because we live in a gynocentric society where woman can do no wrong we sweep this big issue under the rug to appease the status quo and we shame men to the point that if a man were to complain about the dating market he would be socially ostracized from his peers.

A lot of men in order to compete in todays sexual market will have to be at the minimum 8-10% body fat, have a decent physique and most importantly sexually dimoprhic features that women are looking for (Jaw line, good height, good hairline ect..). While plastic surgery can fix these issues to some extent its not a guarantee and would be extremely expensive depending on how far you want to increase your SMV to. So when you look at it from that angle its no wonder a lot of men just do not want to even bother with dating any more. Just to even have a chance you have to dedicated years at the gym and then on top of that you have to undergo cosmetic surgery which will change your face permanently with no guarantee either of these things will actually work. Also your gains at the gym are also dictated by your genetics, so unless you got really good muscle building genes you are gonna get mogged and will have to go on gear to compete.

And I'm sorry for jumping to yet another conclusion, and I'll read the rest of your post after I say this. Social media is the fucking problem. I know it isn't a truly feasible option, and you're right, the vast majority of social interactions are done through anti-social online platforms. It's cliche, but when the game is rigged, the only way to win is to stop playing.

Let me go on a little sperg here. If all the unattractive men cut their losses, deleted Tinder realising it's a losing battle, stopped simping for women, stopped thirsting over women on the internet and stopped funding female degeneracy and porn via Onlyfans and/or Patreon/other payment methods. Then all of this shit would stop overnight. To say that 'beta' and incel/simp (Two sides of the same coin really, like politics) men are meaningless in the grand equation would be an understatement. Women get validation and attention, thus a major boost in confidence and self-esteem from sad lonely men on the internet who are so atomised to the point where some even bankroll their mere fetid existence. You know this and I know this. So I believe, as unfair as it is, for every man to hold his fellow man accountable for his own actions and simpish behaviour, while also bringing the more unhinged and misogynistic incels back down to Earth.

Women are like retarded children, and like children and retards alike, it takes them a lot of time to learn, and they have to learn the hard way. So as unfair as it is, the onus is on men to be better, as they are enabling female degeneracy. Yes, women are accountable for their own actions too, in the same way that addicts of all kinds are accountable for their vices, but with this analogy, men are the enablers of their addiction as they quite literally hand the currencies of time and attention. When it slowly dwindles away, they will wake up and stop acting like retards real fucking quick.

I don't need to refute anything else you just said, I agree with it, that's not my disagreement with you, it's what I originally pointed out, the victim mentality and the ludicrous thought that there is n o t h i n g an incel can do to form a relationship with a woman. First of all, to my knowledge, there are slightly more men than women in most Western countries due to niggervasion/immigration, and yes, I know women are automatically more valuable than men because muh cummies are worthless and eggs are limited. Firstly, stop using tinder, and if you can help it, all social media. Try to form meaningful relationships where you can throughout your life, unless you happen to be in Puff's situation above ^ in which case, you either have to cave and use globohomo shit or otherwise talk to women you don't know in public which is awkward. I don't think I'm strawmanning when I say incels standards are too high. This is not always the case, as many quite often do lower their standards but I digress.

No I'm not bringing up 'think about da womenz' bullshit here, but take solace in knowing that there are two sides to the incel problem. Unless mass fucking mormonism takes place, super ultra giga-chads aren't making colossal harems of women to fuck in luxurious palatial mansions, more often than not these women are pumped and dumped, go on to find another fuckhead to get pumped and dumped again, and they only learn that they made retarded life choices when they are childless or are a single mother. It is on you and your fellow man to not be the beta-bux provider for these trainwrecks of women. These women will either learn quickly enough when they are 30 to eat humble pie and that it's not too late to find a man willing to accept her mistakes and for him to accept for his shortcomings of not being a 7 foot Arnold Schwarzenegger impersonator. Ultimately, in the end, what goes around comes around, and the beauty of this karmic justice means that women will ultimately get bitten on the ass just as hard as men do in this lonely world. It is no one's place to judge who has it worse, as a man truly can't empathise with a woman and vice versa.

I've spewed enough tard cum at my keyboard now, but I hope you see the logic in my reasoning; if men hold themselves to account, then women will have their hands forced to be better or become homeless and unloved because the only thing she could do for a living was record her asshole and put it on the internet for sad fuckers willing to pay money to see it.

 

[heraclius33]

This. So much this. I'm not a virgin, but what's the delay from last hookup to be an incel? I might qualify.
I work in a male dominated field, even when I was in the office (fuck Corona) there were 3 women close enough to my age to work. All taken.
There are no young women in the bars.
There are no young women at church (shit, I'm the only single person there over 18.)
My social circles are all men and married couples (clubs and hobbies).
I had some amount of game in college, but I just ended up around women there. Didn't have to work for the MEETING part.
Where the fuck do you actually find women?

People my age (pushing 30) don't seem to exist irl. Not just women. Outside of work I don't have friends my age except at work and people I've known from college or earlier.
Pretty much checked out and just waiting for something to fall into my lap at this point.

Maybe I'm just in a place that doesn't condone social activity and maybe I'm just not trying hard enough, but if I'm having this problem it has to be fairly widespread.
Social media and it's consequences have been a disaster for the western world.
trying not to pl out be too whiney. Pretty sure I failed

Yeah thats a problem where I'm currrently at as well. When I was in high school(only a couple of years ago), I actively hated the summer because in my town of about 20,000 people nobody my age, let alone women, were out and about. It seemed like a ghost town with no outlets to just talk to people outside of social media and then it hit me. Its a bandwagon effect. Once a sizeable minority of people get their social interaction only from the internet, they stay inside. This causes people who are socially better off then them to get discouraged at the lack of people out and about and it spirals out of control to the point where towns that during the school year have alot of activity for young people are basically ghost towns during the summer, because 95% of the youth are at one of several beach towns or inside all day.

 

[Free the Pedos]

A lot of men in order to compete in todays sexual market will have to be at the minimum 8-10% body fat, have a decent physique and most importantly sexually dimoprhic features that women are looking for (Jaw line, good height, good hairline ect..).

Open any dating app right now. The number of men who meet these supposedly common criteria is basically nill.

 

[White Pride Worldwide]

Open any dating app right now. The number of men who meet these supposedly common criteria is basically nill.

So what women will just have harems with chad while you rot in your room.
@Zoomer Cringelord
Idk why I can't reply but, I am more or less in Puff's situation and am in my mid 20s now with no real prospects of meeting new people at all. To address your point about the idea that slut shaming and controlling men, if it were to ever happen that would not stop the incel issue, women would still be promiscuous. The real solutions is what leaders have done since the Greeks, take away woman's rights and also ban them from social media, ideally ban everyone from social media its a cesspit. Why do you think all these leaders for 1000s of years have not given women rights its because ultimately women are not designed for those responsibilities and they knew what is happening in contemporary America would have happened in their kingdoms. Women's liberation is always a telltale sign of a declining civilization on its last legs before falling apart. Also a strong nuclear family is necessity for the proper development of both boys and girls.

 

[Angelic 2 the Core]

Women want you to be good looking, neurotypical, have resources, and have social influence (being popular on social media, being invited to parties, and being from a normal family). The more you lack in any of these categories, the worse you're going to do with women.

The problem is that what women want basically goes down to genetics and things beyond your control. You basically need to have all of these things covered because one might get you in the door but she will eventually leave you or treat you poorly if you're lacking in another. An ugly guy might get married for his resources and because he's a good provider but his wife will secretly resent him due to her not being physically attracted to him and eventually divorce him. He will be usually be a beta guy who is confused and in denial about why this happened. Women will also dump you if their family or friends make fun of you or talk shit about you because women are very conscious about social standing. This is why multiple women want to date the same men at the same time while they all reject the other guys at the same time.

Also, most men are in denial about their genetics and social status being worse than they think, especially due to increasing female standards. Many of their dads wouldn't have even reproduced and would have been social rejects if they trying to date today because their dating pool was limited to their local area so nearly everyone was successful back then.

 

[Never Scored]

Women want you to be good looking, neurotypical, have resources, and have social influence (being popular on social media, being invited to parties, and being from a normal family). The more you lack in any of these categories, the worse you're going to do with women.

I generally agree with this.

The problem is that what women want basically goes down to genetics and things beyond your control. You basically need to have all of these things covered because one might get you in the door but she will eventually leave you or treat you poorly if you're lacking in another. An ugly guy might get married for his resources and because he's a good provider but his wife will secretly resent him due to her not being physically attracted to him and eventually divorce him. He will be usually be a beta guy who is confused and in denial about why this happened. Women will also dump you if their family or friends make fun of you or talk shit about you because women are very conscious about social standing. This is why multiple women want to date the same men at the same time while they all reject the other guys at the same time.

I disagree with this. There are lots of guys who are only two out of the four things you listed and have stable marriages. As long as you have one of the four traits you listed, you have a shot. Maybe not at a 10/10 cheerleader, but there are lots of nice girls out there who will go for a neurotypical guy from a nice, normal family. Especially considering "resources" is so subjective. To a girl from a lower class family, a guy with a condo and a 9-5 job is extremely resource rich, while the same guy would be looked at as poor by a girl from a family of millionaires.

The biggest issue most incels have is they are extremely neurodivergent.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

The biggest issue most incels have is they are extremely neurodivergent.

Neurodivergent AND PROUD

 

[Duke Nukem]

Neurodivergent AND PROUD

Femoids need to stop discrimination against neurodiverse males! How dare they only go for Chads!

Spoiler: All Hail Neurodiversity

Honestly, if you have any form of autism you're probably better off just dropping out of the dating game entirely.

Women of any type do not like autistic men, never have, never will.

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

Femoids need to stop discrimination against neurodiverse males! How dare they only go for Chads!

Spoiler: All Hail Neurodiversity

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Honestly, if you have any form of autism you're probably better off just dropping out of the dating game entirely.

Women of any type do not like autistic men, never have, never will.

It depends on what type of autism it is. If it's book smart autism or any sort of high functioning autism where you sre just a bit awkward but talanted, you can find a girl with similar interests and hit it off that way if you stick to standard social norms and self health practices. If it's actual low functioning autism or the lolcow tier of autism, then no. Again, you shouldn't go after women who other than being attractive have nothing in common with you nor ever will. An autistic person couldn't bother to make a real effort to have a conversation with them. Instead, play to your strength and go after women that you know have similar interests and with whom you can have a meaningful conversation about something that will eventually lead to you learning more about them. Like all things in life, daying while autistic is about playing to your strengths and framing the situation correctly. Of course, an autist wouldn't be able to handle discussions like a normalfag but that doesn't mean he can't have them. He just has to play his cards right.

 

[Zoomer Cringelord]

So what women will just have harems with chad while you rot in your room.
@Zoomer Cringelord
Idk why I can't reply but, I am more or less in Puff's situation and am in my mid 20s now with no real prospects of meeting new people at all. To address your point about the idea that slut shaming and controlling men, if it were to ever happen that would not stop the incel issue, women would still be promiscuous. The real solutions is what leaders have done since the Greeks, take away woman's rights and also ban them from social media, ideally ban everyone from social media its a cesspit. Why do you think all these leaders for 1000s of years have not given women rights its because ultimately women are not designed for those responsibilities and they knew what is happening in contemporary America would have happened in their kingdoms. Women's liberation is always a telltale sign of a declining civilization on its last legs before falling apart. Also a strong nuclear family is necessity for the proper development of both boys and girls.

I think most of us are in that situation, me included, and I agree, it sucks. Of course my collective consciousness idea of men holding themselves to higher standards and not supporting women's vapid lifestyle is too far fetched to ever actually come to fruition in reality, but I stand by that sentiment. If men start acting less degenerate, women will follow, because they are retarded children, and even now, they still rely on men for attention and resources, women are social animals, far more so than men.

Needless to say I agree with you, they ruin nations it's hard to argue, they vote in fucking tyranny and import invasions to our countries. But we can't exactly close the gate when the horse has already bolted with women's rights, and for good reason. You're probably already aware of Sharia Law and that it's essentially just Incel Law. And, yes, they are prospering, they are growing, if you find a traditional Muslim family in the West, you will see that they have so many children. And the ones who don't have families have machetes and they go around raping little 15 year old Swedish girls.

But one thing I will refute. Women have been promiscuous sluts since the dawn of time, I know that all forms of degeneracy won't instantly disappear, but it will no longer become the norm and it will no longer be considered viable. The reason your neighbour's daughter, your cousin, and the date who just stitched you up upload pictures of their d u m p e r s to social media is because it's seen as socially acceptable and it's financially viable thanks to simps and coomers. Take that away, and the amount of women who do this will fucking DROP.

 

[Duke Nukem]

It depends on what type of autism it is. If it's book smart autism or any sort of high functioning autism where you sre just a bit awkward but talanted, you can find a girl with similar interests and hit it off that way if you stick to standard social norms and self health practices. If it's actual low functioning autism or the lolcow tier of autism, then no. Again, you shouldn't go after women who other than being attractive have nothing in common with you nor ever will. An autistic person couldn't bother to make a real effort to have a conversation with them. Instead, play to your strength and go after women that you know have similar interests and with whom you can have a meaningful conversation about something that will eventually lead to you learning more about them. Like all things in life, daying while autistic is about playing to your strengths and framing the situation correctly. Of course, an autist wouldn't be able to handle discussions like a normalfag but that doesn't mean he can't have them. He just has to play his cards right.

Also keep in mind there's a lot more autistic males than females out there. I completely understand why some women with nerdy hobbies are extra cautious as well, D&D groups, sci-fi conventions, and LARP type groups aren't exactly magnets for alpha male types.

At least on the internet you don't have to go through with the risk of meeting those greasy fat nerds in person, and some of them might give you money just for existing.

It's probably more practical for the average autist to just become a waifu having coomer.

 

[Protistology]

D&D groups, sci-fi conventions, and LARP type groups aren't exactly magnets for alpha male types.

I remember hearing in the PUA community those were the best places to hook up if you weren't a nerdy man.

 

[Duke Nukem]

I remember hearing in the PUA community those were the best places to hook up if you weren't a nerdy man.

For Christ's sake, let the nerds have *something.* Between normies invading gaming groups and pretending to "fucking love science" they just had to take stuff away from those of us who aren't born with good looks, social skills, or enough money to compensate.

Also, that PUA crap runs primarily on a script but I don't blame them for trying in those groups. The girl in any of these groups is probably sick of creepy dorks trying to get into her pants all the time, but on the other hand, PUAs can go fuck themselves because they scam confused young men out of many dollars and man hours.

Hell, calling her a worthless fucking whore to her face would probably net you more attraction from women than some PUA script or being some variation of smart, friendly, nerdy nice guy chump. Because at least it's genuine and elicits a response of sorts, plus it doesn't scream "I'm just trying to get into your pants" so much.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

I swear to God one of you fuckers are going to end up being Elliot Rodgers 2.0

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

For Christ's sake, let the nerds have *something.* Between normies invading gaming groups and pretending to "fucking love science" they just had to take stuff away from those of us who aren't born with good looks, social skills, or enough money to compensate.

If you have no good or positive qualities/traits, you don't deserve anything. Period

 

[White Pride Worldwide]

I think most of us are in that situation, me included, and I agree, it sucks. Of course my collective consciousness idea of men holding themselves to higher standards and not supporting women's vapid lifestyle is too far fetched to ever actually come to fruition in reality, but I stand by that sentiment. If men start acting less degenerate, women will follow, because they are retarded children, and even now, they still rely on men for attention and resources, women are social animals, far more so than men.

Needless to say I agree with you, they ruin nations it's hard to argue, they vote in fucking tyranny and import invasions to our countries. But we can't exactly close the gate when the horse has already bolted with women's rights, and for good reason. You're probably already aware of Sharia Law and that it's essentially just Incel Law. And, yes, they are prospering, they are growing, if you find a traditional Muslim family in the West, you will see that they have so many children. And the ones who don't have families have machetes and they go around raping little 15 year old Swedish girls.

But one thing I will refute. Women have been promiscuous sluts since the dawn of time, I know that all forms of degeneracy won't instantly disappear, but it will no longer become the norm and it will no longer be considered viable. The reason your neighbour's daughter, your cousin, and the date who just stitched you up upload pictures of their d u m p e r s to social media is because it's seen as socially acceptable and it's financially viable thanks to simps and coomers. Take that away, and the amount of women who do this will fucking DROP.

Honestly, we should just bring back woman beatings and normalize rape. Women's only power is their sexuality and we are physically stronger, a lot of the old things we used to do when women didn't put out worked for a reason, why try to re-invent the wheel?

 

[Duke Nukem]

If you have no good or positive qualities/traits, you don't deserve anything. Period

I wasn't talking dating wise, no shit those types will probably never attract any woman no matter what they do. I'm talking more about letting them have their games or whatever and not shitting them up for no reason.

I swear to God one of you fuckers are going to end up being Elliot Rodgers 2.0

Elliot's problem is that he cared way too much about social status and what normies thought of him. He blew a ton of money on lottery tickets and designer gear just to get his ass stomped in and eventually die a virgin anyway. To be fair if he were still alive today he'd still be a bitter angry incel because he probably wouldn't learn a damn thing.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

I'm talking more about letting them have their games or whatever and not shitting them up for no reason.

They don't even deserve that. If they're that shitty at everything, they don't even deserve to have an enjoyable life, imo. At least try to get good at something

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

I swear to God one of you fuckers are going to end up being Elliot Rodgers 2.0

Already happened. Couch Cuck aka @FuckYou.