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Can Cover literally force Kanata to move out? No.

But they can say in no uncertain terms they'll enforce their contract, which is likely quite strict w.r.t. NDA.

So while I doubt they outright told Kanata to move out, I imagine they outlined what constitutes as breaking NDA and what would get her terminated. And the level of risk living with Kson is too high. In practical terms you can see it as them forcing Kanata to move away.

That being said it is Kanata's decision at the end of the day. Cover can't terminate Kanata's contract for no reason and they can't force her to move out. If she was comfortable that there wasn't any risk or if she was comfortable with the risk then she could stay.

Kson recruited Mikeneko. Does Kanata trust Mikeneko to never say anything ever if she happens to see something while being invited over to their apartment? The answer is apparently not. If Kson doesn't recruit Mikeneko would Kanata feel more comfortable staying? Probably.

So they're all adults and can choose what's most important to them. And unsurprisingly Kson and Kanata both prioritized their extremely well paying careers.
The only time they can force someone to move out if its a situation like providing housing for the talents, which iirc everyone has already moved out of that provided housing awhile ago when their careers kicked into high gear.
 
Are there any more responses from Kson regarding her friend moving, aside from the community post behind level 2 membership?
 
The last I'll say on all this is that I trust grown adults to wipe their own ass. I just wonder where the people justifying Cover's hypothetical actions and lambasting Kson's draw the line.
C'mon now, you're on a site dedicated to documenting instances where that's not true :story:

I don't know why anyone is surprised about Cover being antsy about them living together, y'all never worked somewhere with an NDA before? I've had employers that have mandated training that says if you work from home make sure your spouse/neighbors/etc. can't hear or see your work shit, pretty standard stuff.
 
Coyote girl playing fall guy with viewers right now. Should drop in if you have the chance!
Surprised with how great her english is, need to look into what she's from though cause sounds like she is an existing character.
 
C'mon now, you're on a site dedicated to documenting instances where that's not true :story:
Sure, but that doesn't mean that the people who get laughed at on this site are the universal standard. It's a weird stance to take that, because Lolcows exist, everyone discussed here must be considered one until proven otherwise. 'Think about what site you're on' doesn't work when 100% of your posts have been in the Virtual YouTubers thread and nowhere else.

I don't know why anyone is surprised about Cover being antsy about them living together, y'all never worked somewhere with an NDA before? I've had employers that have mandated training that says if you work from home make sure your spouse/neighbors/etc. can't hear or see your work shit, pretty standard stuff.
I fully agree with you to the extent that it's at least a valid stance to take that Cover may have a duty to talk things over with Kanata and let her know what the risks are.

I take issue with the portrayal that Cover are being virtuous and acting only because Kson is this malicious, sly character trying to deliberately cause shit and that it's her 'fault' they even have to act in the first place - and I believe that the actions of Kson and Mikeneko have been drastically overblown to facilitate this position.

It's a collision of circumstances at best.
 
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Lmao cover, are you guys really afraid of fucking Vshoujo? of all things?
They're not. It's more the implications of having talents from multiple companies living together. Even outside of Vtubing a lot of industries have very strict NDAs that's looked at even more based on household, e.g someone working in manufacturing A lives with manufacturing B you'll worry about stuff spilling over and leaking. Does it happen? Not always, but it's not "fearing" another company more than it is worrying about NDA shit..ESPECIALLY if that dumbass Mikeneko is involved. You can't blame them tbh. As people said, it could 100x be more likely for her and her pets sake and the timing is just unfortunate.
 
I don't think there was anything malicious intentions behind Kson joining Vshojo, but I don't think she really notified one of her best friends and very close neighbors about it. That, or word about such things never reached Cover management until the very sudden, very public announcement. Why else would there have to be an emergency meeting that ends up with Kanata moving on such short notice? I do understand Cover's general concern of leaks, but give the girls longer than the end of the month to move, sheesh. I'd guess it was higher level of management that would have pushed for a deadline like that.

Again, I think this is more about potential leaking of info and NDA's, intentional or not. It doesn't matter if they're friends, can't have a talent from a competing company accidentally overhear snippets of a meeting, upcoming concert info, merch lineups, etc.

One thing I've noticed with Kson is maybe it would have been good to have some level of oversight. It's too bad the Cover management sucked in the overbearing, archaic way that old Japanese management does. Well, with the filter off, she'll fit right in with the poopoopeepee, random overly sexual, middle school level of humor that is commonplace oftentimes in Vshojo and the western vtubing industry. It's her level of humor once you don't have anything to make it more distinct (like being in a 'idol' company). I don't understand Japanese, so I can't give an opinion on her general zatsudan streams which is a lot of her main draw to JP fans.
 
C'mon now, you're on a site dedicated to documenting instances where that's not true :story:
While true that doesn't just mean every person is automatically one of those cases and humanity is in some pretty deep shit if that's presumed as the default. I tend to presume people are competent until they prove otherwise. especially when they had a prior track record of generally not being a retard.

I don't know why anyone is surprised about Cover being antsy about them living together, y'all never worked somewhere with an NDA before? I've had employers that have mandated training that says if you work from home make sure your spouse/neighbors/etc. can't hear or see your work shit, pretty standard stuff.
I don't think anyone is questioning that NDA stuff exists, but there's a gulf between "be careful your spouse doesn't hear you" and "you have to live alone" that being said I don't personally feel like this is a cover forced situation as I previously stated. though I'm sure they had concerns,

Nothing Kanata had to say made it feel particularly pressured and felt instead like a conclusion she reached after a good bit of consideration from all parties involved. And even if the outcome is thought to be unfortunate, if the people it's actually directly affected are accepting of the outcome and there's no real red flags of foul play, than what's there to fuss over as a viewer. forcing the issue just seems like people trying to use this as a chip in the pile of some argument they want to win, whether that's "cover forced this fuck cover!" or "Kson should have known better, fuck Kson!"
 
My guy if 'Moving on with her life and getting a new job in the industry' is inherently enough to strain relations between a company and one of their contract workers then I can confidently assert that the problem doesn't lie with Kson.
They had no problem letting her be with her new job as an indie.
Wasn't all this disproven? The only concrete evidence we have is that Mikeneko leaked the identity of her manager. Hardly the Julian Assange of V-Tubing she's being made out to be here. She's a retard, not a Machiavellian villain who has connived her way into a new company. If Cover are divulging sensitive info to contract workers and then shitting their pants when that person is free to get another job then the problem probably doesn't like with Mikeneko either.
How is it disproven when the last thing we saw was Miko releasing a statement saying things weren't that bad and that there was an error, then Cover releases a statement saying they made no mistakes.
That sounds like Cover's problem. Your suggestion in your previous post was that Kson should have approached her former employer for a meeting to have their blessing on being allowed to have a new job without uprooting her living situation and sense of security, which is a heretofore unseen level of corporate prostate-tonguing on this thread.

I'm sure Cover in all their boundless generosity and charity will assist the freelance contract worker they take issue with in getting a new home. I guess we should heat the frog in the pan and ban Hoshikawa and Matsuri from talking ever again, because there's no chance those two have already bitched about work stuff when they're together. Wall them all off entirely, actually, I'm sure the pang of 'Talent Freedom' will continue to ring just as hollow.
Frame it how you want, if she planned this for months it's not a good look when her room mate suddenly has to move. It's really not hard to think "Hmmm would this cause issues between my roommate and her employer" and then discuss them with said roomamte, who would probably discuss it with her employer. NDAs are taken seriously and thats before you factor in Kson's relationship with Rushia, Kson working at a rival company, and the fact that Hololive complicates things further by being a vtubing company. We may know things about the talents but Cover makes an effort to separate things which not only allow them to maintain kayfabe but also helps the talents to live a private life*, so NDAs are even more important.

*Which is important given there are already multiple stalking incidents and it's known that idolfans are some of the most schizophrenic people on the planet.

Vshojo vs Niji is simple. Niji acts like a corporation while Vshojo denies being a corporation and sells itself as letting talents do whatever they want, and now they have a person who was terminated from over for breaching their contract. Given her situation why didn't NijiJP sweep up Rushia? Could it be that she was a radioactive asset? Niji isn't selling the idea of non-existent management, I'm 100% certain the fish got flak from management after the trap/futa stuff. It's just safer/easier to work with companies who have and enforce rules, compared to companies who don't.

What bridges? She doesn't work for Cover anymore and has no responsibility to appease them. Management wouldn't even let her hang out with EN because she was considered a poisoned well while she was still working for them but somehow moving on and promoting her new company is seen as some kind of malicious act on her friends. Give me a break.
Burning bridges as in, she's doing something that can turn neutral people away. It wasn't about Cover or Hololive. How do you think people who are neutral would interpret her talking about "using vtubers and fans as hostages"? It's extreme language to paint someone in a negative light, if I talk about how people who support abortion are "baby killers" you may sense some hostility towards them and think I am painting them in a bad light. She could have worded things differently, instead she didn't name names but accused someone/thing of hostage taking. Thats why I said she came of as malicious, she's famed things in an extremely bad way, but without naming names so she can just let people run with those implications and avoid any accountability. All while as you said, promoting a new (rival) company.

Indeed which I mean I'm sure that's been a frustration for some time now with it being a concern that her voice even be heard on Kanata's streams.

My point was more to the fact that it takes some work to jump from that to "Kson is being passive aggressive and malicious"
Person I was replying to pretty clearly has some axe to grind jumping to not just one but several of either the worst possible interpretations of a statement or situation, or just some pretty wild baseless assumptions "Kson comes off like she's poaching people" (Even if angel is Rushia, and even if Kson is why she's joining vshojo, she wasn't poached, she was fired, poaching requires scooping someone up who's already employed to change over, not onboarding an unemployed friend) "Rushia Doxxed people" or just generally assuming that Kanata and her never spoke about the situation between March and now. Like some of this is logic defying bad faith interpretation.
Ah yes bad faith, it's not like she could just post something like "People can go different ways and still be friends" instead of talking about people being hostages and hiding that behind membership. Why hide it if it's just telling people you can be friends with people and go separate ways? Again her saying things like there are no cons to Vshojo shows she isn't entirely honest and it comes off as advertising her company, everything comes with a tradeoff, anyone saying otherwise is lying.

Sure, but that doesn't mean that the people who get laughed at on this site are the universal standard. It's a weird stance to take that, because Lolcows exist, everyone discussed here must be considered one until proven otherwise.


I fully agree with you to the extent that it's at least a valid stance to take that Cover may have a duty to talk things over with Kanata and let her know what the risks are.

I take issue with the portrayal that Cover are being virtuous and acting only because Kson is this malicious, sly character trying to deliberately cause shit and that it's her 'fault' they even have to act in the first place - and I believe that the actions of Kson and Mikeneko have been drastically overblown to facilitate this position.

It's a collision of circumstances at best.
Cover isn't virtuous. It's a corporation and I'm not pretending otherwise. But them being a corporation does not mean that Kson can't be a shit stirrer based on her response. She could have just stated people were still friends while walking different paths, she didn't. You can't frame words like "hostages" as anything other than negative, and not just slightly negative.
Mikeneko is legit mentally unstable and will be just as much of a threat to Vshojo as Hololive.

There isn't much to debate given lack of info, so I'm just going to say while I think Cover can be a shit company (mainly due to treatment of EN) I don't see an issue with them distancing themselves from Kson and this drama was something she should have predicted, I think Vshojo JP will be a dumpsterfire but only time will tell.

My issue with Kson isn't so much her joining Vshojo, it's just the responses, and yeah I do think she should have considered how her joining would effect her roommate.
 
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Interesting, she said she legit get upset when Artia said "Do you rly beliv?" that she have to turn the stream off. The yabbit was Gosling over the yellow bitch lmao.
I was just getting into vtubers when that happened, so I can proudly say I've never watched an Artia stream. BUT, because of that I might need to lurk more and find wtf is the "DYRB?" meme referencing to.

Something is out of the ordinary, because the chat is noticeably more AIDS than usual, and there's a bunch of new people in it.
Saw a bunch of people saying they came over because of Depressed Nousagi's videos, so he shares part of the blame.
 
Tl: dr kson and Kanata vagueposting breeds rrats en masse
Which is exactly why she lock the post in Tier 2 Gachikoi-Parasocial simps only so it won't breed rrats.
> Kiwi then ask around for the member post which, while she know will get leaked anyway, wasn't written for other beside fans to see.
> Kiwi then get mad anyway.
Take pills for anger issue, my man.
 
Which is exactly why she lock the post in Tier 2 Gachikoi-Parasocial simps only so it won't breed rrats.
> Kiwi then ask around for the member post, which while she know will get leaked anyway, wasn't written for other beside fans to see.
> Kiwi then get mad anyway.
Take pills for anger issue, my man.
don't forget
> Kiwi gets mad of word choice while reading what's presumably a machine translation from Japanese
 
I feel like I read a manga like this before.. something something fraternization or living with someone from competing companies in the same industry.. wait.. I DID

this was from waaaaay back holy shit... not necessarily the same scenario but you can kinda see parallels(?) Is it bad or good? Who knows.. the way I see it it's like having an Intel and AMD chip designers/engineers be roommates, would you as top level management/corporate trust em not to accidentally (or not) spill the beans? Even moreso if they're all teetee and shit? Welcome to Corporate Management, where you are always the evil because you have to make the choices for the corporate "good" and sometimes it does not win you the social points/credit.
 
Sure, but that doesn't mean that the people who get laughed at on this site are the universal standard. It's a weird stance to take that, because Lolcows exist, everyone discussed here must be considered one until proven otherwise. 'Think about what site you're on' doesn't work when 100% of your posts have been in the Virtual YouTubers thread and nowhere else.


I fully agree with you to the extent that it's at least a valid stance to take that Cover may have a duty to talk things over with Kanata and let her know what the risks are.

I take issue with the portrayal that Cover are being virtuous and acting only because Kson is this malicious, sly character trying to deliberately cause shit and that it's her 'fault' they even have to act in the first place - and I believe that the actions of Kson and Mikeneko have been drastically overblown to facilitate this position.

It's a collision of circumstances at best.
Less "Think about what site you're on" and more a funny reply, and I fully agree with you on Cover. They're not being virtuous they're just doing business as usual, the whole "we don't care about their personal lives" is about as legitimate as all these companies having pride flag icons: they don't care until it might affect them.
As far as Kson I don't think she has any malicious intent, she's just moving on with her life. Honestly the whole hubbub about her and VShojo is pretty dumb, of course she'd want to join another company if given favorable conditions. She's pretty much running her own company as a solo and that's both a pain in the ass and, unless you're filling an unfilled niche, likely not as profitable.

I don't think anyone is questioning that NDA stuff exists, but there's a gulf between "be careful your spouse doesn't hear you" and "you have to live alone" that being said I don't personally feel like this is a cover forced situation as I previously stated. though I'm sure they had concerns,

Nothing Kanata had to say made it feel particularly pressured and felt instead like a conclusion she reached after a good bit of consideration from all parties involved. And even if the outcome is thought to be unfortunate, if the people it's actually directly affected are accepting of the outcome and there's no real red flags of foul play, than what's there to fuss over as a viewer. forcing the issue just seems like people trying to use this as a chip in the pile of some argument they want to win, whether that's "cover forced this fuck cover!" or "Kson should have known better, fuck Kson!"
Right, I didn't mean it that they can't live together just that it's not a surprising occurence. I'd wager the same that they didn't give any specifics but probably gave her the Jap equivalent of the talks I've had "don't talk to them about work, make sure they can't hear private conversations" etc. and the girls just decided that that and any other behind the scenes things (like her rabbit) made sense to separate.
 
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