As Ohio restricts abortions, 10-year-old girl travels to Indiana for procedure

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On Monday three days after the Supreme Court issued its groundbreaking decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, Dr. Caitlin Bernard, an Indianapolis obstetrician-gynecologist, took a call from a colleague, a child abuse doctor in Ohio.

Hours after the Supreme Court action, the Buckeye state had outlawed any abortion after six weeks. Now this doctor had a 10-year-old patient in the office who was six weeks and three days pregnant.

Could Bernard help?

Indiana lawmakers are poised to further restrict or ban abortion in mere weeks. The Indiana General Assembly will convene in a special session July 25 when it will discuss restrictio ns to abortion policy along with inflation relief.


But for now, the procedure still is legal in Indiana. And so the girl soon was on her way to Indiana to Bernard's care.

Indiana abortion laws unchanged, but effect still felt across state​

While Indiana law did not change last week when the Supreme Court issued its groundbreaking Dobbs decision, abortion providers here have felt an effect, experiencing a dramatic increase in the number of patients coming to their clinics from neighboring states with more restrictive policies.


Since Friday, the abortion clinics where Dr. Katie McHugh, an independent obstetrician-gynecologists works have seen “an insane amount of requests” from pregnant people in Kentucky and Ohio, where it is far more difficult to get an abortion.
A ban on abortions after six weeks took effect on last week in Ohio. Last Friday the two abortion providers in Kentucky shut their doors after that state’s trigger law banning abortions went into effect.
Indiana soon could have similar restrictions.
That pains doctors like Bernard.
“It’s hard to imagine that in just a few short weeks we will have no ability to provide that care,” Bernard said.

For now, Indiana abortion providers have been fielding more calls from neighboring states. Typically about five to eight patients a day might hail from out of state, said McHugh, who works at multiple clinics in central and southern Indiana. Now, the clinics are seeing about 20 such patients a day.

Kentucky patients have been coming to Indiana in higher numbers since earlier this spring when more restrictive laws took effect there, McHugh said.

Indianapolis abortion clinics seeing surge in patients from Ohio, Kentucky​

A similar dynamic is at play at Women’s Med, a medical center that performs abortions in Indianapolis that has a sister center in Dayton, Ohio. In the past week, they have doubled the number of patients they treat for a complete procedure, accepting many referrals from their Ohio counterpart.

More than 100 patients in Dayton had to be scheduled at the Indianapolis facility, a representative for Women’s Med, wrote in an email to IndyStar.

Women and pregnant people are “crying, distraught, desperate, thankful and appreciative,” the representative wrote.

The two centers are working together to route patients to Indianapolis for a termination after a pre-op appointment in Dayton. In recent months, they have also had people from southern states, like Texas, come north for a procedure.

Many patients, particularly from Ohio and Kentucky, are seeking care through Women’s Med while also making multiple appointments in other states so if one state closes down, they will still have some options, the representative wrote.

The center is advising pregnant people with a positive pregnancy test to book an appointment even though prior to the Supreme Court ruling they asked people to wait until their six-week mark to do so.

For years people have traversed state lines for abortions, particularly if a clinic across the border is closer to their home than the nearest in-state facility.

In 2021, 465, or about 5.5% of the more than 8,400 abortions performed, were done on out-of-state residents, according to the Indiana Department of Health's most recent terminated pregnancy report. More than half, 264, lived in Kentucky and 40 in Ohio.

Midwestern residents can also travel to Illinois, where abortion is likely to remain legal even in the wake of the recent Supreme Court ruling but for many Indiana is closer and until the lawmakers pass any measure to the contrary, abortion will be legal here.

Still, it remains murky what the future holds.

Thursday a lower court ruled that abortions could resume, at least for now, in Kentucky. On Wednesday abortion clinics in Ohio filed suit, saying that state’s new ban was unconstitutional.

In Indiana lawmakers have declined to provide specifics of what measures any abortion legislation considered here might contain.

For now, then, abortion providers are doing their best to accommodate all Hoosier patients as well those from neighboring states.

“We are doing the best we can to increase availability and access as long as we can, knowing that this will be a temporary time frame that we can offer that assistance,” McHugh said.

 

[Ebonic Tutor]

> still running mouth like anybody really gives a fuck at this point after being proven to be a dishonest piece of shit.

Go back to reddit you retarded nigger-whore that just wanna twerk on baby corpses.

 

[TheBigZee]

So now what's required since we didn't meet the exception.

(A) A person who intends to perform or induce an abortion on a pregnant woman shall determine whether there is a detectable fetal heartbeat of the unborn human individual the pregnant woman is carrying. The method of determining the presence of a fetal heartbeat shall be consistent with the person's good faith understanding of standard medical practice, provided that if rules have been adopted under division (B) of this section, the method chosen shall be one that is consistent with the rules. The person who determines the presence or absence of a fetal heartbeat shall record in the pregnant woman's medical record the estimated gestational age of the unborn human individual, the method used to test for a fetal heartbeat, the date and time of the test, and the results of the test.

The person who performs the examination for the presence of a fetal heartbeat shall give the pregnant woman the option to view or hear the fetal heartbeat.

If the physician cannot justify medical immediacy they now have to determine the fetal heartbeat and ask the mother if she wishes to know whether the human inside of her has a heart beat. Otherwise they have committed a clear felony.

Even if legally allowed[edited] to actually perform the abortion, it's best to send a ten year old out of state. Regardless of whether the next statute applies or not.

Edit: I think a lot of this comes from recycling definitions from the fetal viability statute. That was like... 20 weeks. The legislature needs to change the definitions to make more sense at six weeks.

edit: I wrote required where I meant allowed.

 

[Chandelier]

This is mindbogglingly stupid, lol.

Sure. It doesn't change the fact that it has happened to minors, and that it is happening in nations like Brazil. In cases where it DOES happen in the US, plenty of pro lifers respond with disbelief, saying that a ten year old can't get pregnant. Under CSA or other factors, a girl can enter menarche earlier. No girl wants to go through her period at age 9.

Wouldn't even disagree with that, but when you include catcalling in your study on sexual abuse and don't bother separating it out from violent gangrape in the statistics, your numbers become worthless. People see you're crying wolf and will not agree to your proposed solutions, even if they were sensible.

Good rape stats are integral, I agree. I do recall the 1 in 2 or the 98% of UK women being sexually assaulted, and it was only based on 1000 or so women.

So Megan Fox of PJ Media did a thread about this story and the many red flags surrounding the whole thing.
Link|Archive
Here are 2 that I will highlight.
AG Rokita asks court to lift multiple abortion injunctions following Dobbs decision

Here is the law:
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And the 2nd that I'm highlighting is Snopes:

Did Ohio’s Abortion Ban Force a 10-Year-Old Rape Victim to Travel to Indiana?​

Ooof. Not a good look if Snopes can't back you up.
But that 'dismemberment abortion' language. They mean a D&C abortion, and I assume they're talking about the ones done at 20 weeks, which is usually only done for fetal abnormality.

 

[Formica Sample]

Often, nobody can talk about the active legal proceedings. No doubt it was a family friend or relative. These stories are not particularly rare, they just aren't reported on in the interest of protecting the child from further harm via media circus.

I grew up in foster care. There were ten kids in the house, all of us females, eight of them black. Black females seem to be particularly susceptible to early puberty. My nine year old sisters had underarm hair, FULL bush, budding breasts and their periods. At nine! (none of them obese, fyi). I didn't have mine until 14. I've also seen abnormally large genitalia on black females also, with abnormally large clitoris and labia featuring prominently. I'd be very interested to see a study on this, but I can't imagine it being funded given that it could somehow be construed as a racism.

EDIT: It's worth mentioning that black females are often sexualized very early, and often treated with disdain and disgust by their mothers for being 'fast'. It's a part of black culture that is rarely discussed.

The comedian Ms. Pat talks about this on stage, and she explained her past in more detail on an old Joe Rogan podcast.

She was only 12 when she first got pregnant by a married man in his late twenties. When she was 13 and giving birth, no one in the hospital said a word. No one asked what happened. No police were called. They delivered the baby as they usually would and sent Pat on her way.

According to her, yes, this is pretty common in very poor black areas, and everyone just ignores how fucked up it is.

 

[Android raptor]

Often, nobody can talk about the active legal proceedings. No doubt it was a family friend or relative. These stories are not particularly rare, they just aren't reported on in the interest of protecting the child from further harm via media circus.

I grew up in foster care. There were ten kids in the house, all of us females, eight of them black. Black females seem to be particularly susceptible to early puberty. My nine year old sisters had underarm hair, FULL bush, budding breasts and their periods. At nine! (none of them obese, fyi). I didn't have mine until 14. I've also seen abnormally large genitalia on black females also, with abnormally large clitoris and labia featuring prominently. I'd be very interested to see a study on this, but I can't imagine it being funded given that it could somehow be construed as a racism.

EDIT: It's worth mentioning that black females are often sexualized very early, and often treated with disdain and disgust by their mothers for being 'fast'. It's a part of black culture that is rarely discussed.

I've see black feminists and whatnot talk about those issues, as well as health education stuff talking about how black girls tend to start puberty earlier. It's definitely stuff social workers especially need to be aware of since it means black female children are at particular risk of both abuse and pregnancy (and needing an abortion) as a result of abuse.

Semper fi to all kids being abused but in particular pubescent girls living in abortion ban states, may they be able to get justice and all neccessary medical treatment and their abusers get a very minecraft ASAP.

 

[Ponzo]

A 10yo girl doesn't need abortion rights written into law when there are already laws against raping a 10yo child. Stop putting your dick into kids, faggots.

 

[SofondaCox]

The indigenous community, and the black community, have a fixation on 'face'. In order to tell someone you have been beaten or raped, you have to be able to trust someone with your vulnerability. Whites won't discuss this for fear of doing a racism. Angrily calling your raped child a 'fast ass little hoe' cements in that child that they were at fault, and they need to hold secrets close, because even those who love them will wield it against them. How do you move forward? We need black and indigenous women to tell the fuckin truth, lose face within the community, and keep talking. Instead, we're propping up men in dresses, who, not coincidentally, are quite often abusers.

When i talk to pro life persons, i ask them what rights should a child have, beyond being born? The love of a mother? Basic financial security? A home? Education? A healthy body? Anything at all? We will legislate the female body, but what we won't do is create a legal safety net for the unborn, which would arguably prevent a great deal of abuse and death.

 

[TheBigZee]

Ooof. Not a good look if Snopes can't back you up.

If she responds to snopes it's going to be with general language, probably vetted by a lawyer. I'm not sure if mentioning a specific patient in that particular situation that was ethical.

Statistically it's rare, but It happens :

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1d&q=convicted+to+life+for+raping+a+10+year+old

Ohio is a state with 11 million people in it. It's going to happen.

When i talk to pro life persons, i ask them what rights should a child have, beyond being born? The love of a mother? Basic financial security? A home? Education? A healthy body? Anything at all? We will legislate the female body, but what we won't do is create a legal safety net for the unborn, which would arguably prevent a great deal of abuse and death.

The pro-life movement had no choice but to align with the anti-tax, anti-socialism crowd to get the judiciary they needed. You couldn't win a democrat primary without supporting total abortion access. They did what they had to do to set something they saw as a greivous wrong right. In 2009 that meant building a coalition with the Norquist crowd.

The pro-life people I know generally agree with doing these things. Most of them just want checks in place to make sure the programs aren't abused.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

When i talk to pro life persons, i ask them what rights should a child have, beyond being born? The love of a mother? Basic financial security? A home? Education? A healthy body? Anything at all? We will legislate the female body, but what we won't do is create a legal safety net for the unborn, which would arguably prevent a great deal of abuse and death.

This has nothing to do with killing children.

If you want to feed the poor, you have about 20 charities aching for another pair of hands in a five mile radius away from you-- some of them are explicitly pro-life orgs.

I would know, I've worked with one.

 

[Chandelier]

The comedian Ms. Pat talks about this on stage, and she explained her past in more detail on an old Joe Rogan podcast.

She was only 12 when she first got pregnant by a married man in his late twenties. When she was 13 and giving birth, no one in the hospital said a word. No one asked what happened. No police were called. They delivered the baby as they usually would and sent Pat on her way.

According to her, yes, this is pretty common in very poor black areas, and everyone just ignores how fucked up it is.

Ohio has a large population of blacks, and when we talk about young girls getting raped and having babies, it's mostly black or brown girls. It's a huge dirty secret, and one of the reasons Sanger opened up her clinics: there was so much incest from dads raping their own daughters. Women wanted a way out.
Exceptions may exist, but getting a lawyer and someone to help you will always be harder. That is the problem: legal proceedings holding up a procedure that MUST be done.
And for the record, I have seen pro lifers say a ten year old should have a baby, because it shouldn't pay for the crime of the father.

 

[TheBigZee]

Exceptions may exist, but getting a lawyer and someone to help you will always be harder. That is the problem: legal proceedings holding up a procedure that MUST be done.

The only time a legal proceeding is going to be involved on behalf of the woman is if it's a ward of the state, or on parole or pretrial custody, prison or in some other way clearly legally restricted from crossing state lines (guardianship?).

All of these are going to come up sooner or later, including cases that involve rape.

And for the record, I have seen pro lifers say a ten year old should have a baby, because it shouldn't pay for the crime of the father.

Catholic family teaching would generally agree with that - the girl should bring the pregnancy to term if possible. It's a pretty clear teaching that a fetus is a human, killing it is wrong. Catholic family teaching also prohibits Plan B.

 

[Toolbox]

This case was just used to have a 'think about the children' moment in a Biden speech. Again, acting like there aren't already laws allowing abortion in extreme cases like this.

 

[draggs]

The indigenous community, and the black community, have a fixation on 'face'. In order to tell someone you have been beaten or raped, you have to be able to trust someone with your vulnerability. Whites won't discuss this for fear of doing a racism. Angrily calling your raped child a 'fast ass little hoe' cements in that child that they were at fault, and they need to hold secrets close, because even those who love them will wield it against them. How do you move forward? We need black and indigenous women to tell the fuckin truth, lose face within the community, and keep talking. Instead, we're propping up men in dresses, who, not coincidentally, are quite often abusers.

When i talk to pro life persons, i ask them what rights should a child have, beyond being born? The love of a mother? Basic financial security? A home? Education? A healthy body? Anything at all? We will legislate the female body, but what we won't do is create a legal safety net for the unborn, which would arguably prevent a great deal of abuse and death.

The same rights everyone else has under the law. The law where abuse of a child and murder are already illegal.

The "you don't care about it after it's born" and "muh right to" are fake ass arguments that go right over the border to a very strange and unjustified form of advocating mercy killings even more amoral than usual.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

I've noticed some arguing about how horrible the child rape pandemic is with some kind of implication that abortion could make things better somehow, but lacking in talk about how child rapists should be drawn and quartered, which sure as fuck would make a pedo think twice.

 

[Mister Ferro]

The resident fact checker came to the defense of this fake story!!!

A one-source story about a 10-year-old and an abortion goes viral​

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“This isn’t some imagined horror. It is already happening. Just last week, it was reported that a 10-year-old girl was a rape victim — 10 years old — and she was forced to have to travel out of state to Indiana to seek to terminate the pregnancy and maybe save her life.”
— President Biden, remarks during signing of executive order on abortion access, July 8


This is the account of a one-source story that quickly went viral around the world — and into the talking points of the president.

The only source cited for the anecdote was Bernard. She’s on the record, but there is no indication that the newspaper made other attempts to confirm her account. The story’s lead reporter, Shari Rudavsky, did not respond to a query asking whether additional sourcing was obtained. A Gannett spokeswoman provided a comment from Bro Krift, the newspaper’s executive editor: “The facts and sourcing about people crossing state lines into Indiana, including the 10-year-old girl, for abortions are clear. We have no additional comment at this time.”

The story quickly caught fire, becoming a headline in newspapers around the world. News organizations increasingly “aggregate” — or repackage — reporting from elsewhere if it appears of interest to readers. So Bernard remained the only source — and other news organizations did not follow up to confirm her account.

Bernard declined to identify to the Fact Checker her colleague or the city where the child was located. “Thank you for reaching out. I’m sorry, but I don’t have any information to share,” she said in an email.
Dan Tierney, press secretary for Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine (R), said the governor’s office was unaware of any specific case but he said under the state’s decentralized system, records would be held at a local level. Thus, he said, it would be hard to confirm a report without knowing the local jurisdiction to narrow the search. He added: “The rape of a ten-year-old certainly would be newsworthy.”

As a spot check, we contacted child services agencies in some of Ohio’s most populous cities, including Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Dayton and Toledo. None of the officials we reached were aware of such a case in their areas. An abortion by a 10-year-old is pretty rare. The Columbus Dispatch reported that in 2020, 52 people under the age of 15 received an abortion in Ohio.

So what did Glenn have to say in regards if the story was fact or fiction?

 

[Random Internet Person]

Let’s talk about it.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1544426366837342208.html

https://archive.ph/Wj8YS

 

[Flexo]

This implies this case is even real, and not made up bullshit created to push a satanic

The resident fact checker came to the defense of this fake story!!!

A one-source story about a 10-year-old and an abortion goes viral​

Archive link

So what did Glenn have to say in regards if the story was fact or fiction?

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Follow up! Story is looking like bullshit.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2022/07/09/washington-post-late-to-the-party-on-fact-checking-poorly-sourced-10-year-old-rape-victim-abortion-tale-but-proves-us-right-n1611679

But it started a conversation, right?

 

[AnotherPleb]

Follow up! Story is looking like bullshit.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2022/07/09/washington-post-late-to-the-party-on-fact-checking-poorly-sourced-10-year-old-rape-victim-abortion-tale-but-proves-us-right-n1611679

But it started a conversation, right?

The lie is always on the front page while the correction is buried in the corner of page A14.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Follow up! Story is looking like bullshit.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/megan-fox/2022/07/09/washington-post-late-to-the-party-on-fact-checking-poorly-sourced-10-year-old-rape-victim-abortion-tale-but-proves-us-right-n1611679

But it started a conversation, right?

Imagine my surprise that an extreme case conveniently popped up right when Roe was overturned was fake. Baby killers are scum.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

The guys of American Thinker posted a good rant about that story.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2022/07/anatomy_of_a_really_vile_bit_of_propaganda.html

July 10, 2022

Anatomy of a Really Vile Bit of Propaganda​

By Clarice Feldman


Last week at American Thinker, in discussing the Dobbs case, I prophesied, “and if your media sources resemble those I’ve seen, the moral angle will be played to the hilt with stories of exceptional cases being treated as the rule.”
How right I was, as the story of a 10-year-old who was raped and had to travel to Indiana from Ohio to get an abortion was highlighted in multiple media everywhere and used to discredit the Supreme Court justices who decided Dobbs and pro-life politicians.
Megan Fox has done a fine bit of journalism exposing this propaganda coup and the Blaze details her work. Ms. Fox broke the story in a numerous series of tweets. In order to make her work easier to follow I’m reframing it in a more conventional, easier to understand way, but you are invited to the source to see how this unraveled. Each of her factual assertions is accompanied by links to them.

The sole source of the story is an ardent abortionist. The story is unverifiable and peddled by those who share her views with no apparent independent efforts to confirm the tale. If nothing else, this shows you how easy the job of a news editor at the named publications is. You don’t have to do anything -- just let your reporters rattle off the headline-framing tales of a figure who advances the desired narrative. Do not demand even the merest investigation of claims, particularly if they sound outrageous. (Like Trump hiring prostitutes to pee in a hotel bed in Moscow because Obama had slept there.)
The Megan Fox account asserts that an unnamed “child abuse doctor” called Dr. Caitlyn Bernard, an Indiana abortionist, for help. And she called the media with the account which published it without any questions asked.

Dr. Bernard is the media’s sole source for this story, so it’s important to check her background to see if she is likely to be giving an accurate, nonpartisan account.
When you do, the answer is clear: It’s exceedingly unlikely that she is without a partisan interest in the issue. In June she was interviewed by PBS, predicting doom if Roe was overturned. That same month she repeated her claim of doom on worth.com as she organized a rally for abortion access on the Indiana University campus where she teaches. On June 30 WTHR quotes her saying:

“Healthcare providers are sick of politicians getting in the way of their decision making.”

Politico likes her, too, quoting her as saying, ”For a lot of people in Indiana, if I tell them to go out of state, I might as well tell them to go to the moon.. They have to pay for the care at the clinic, the time away from their children, the time away from their jobs. Gas prices are also increasing.”
Since Politico likes her as a source for advancing a narrative of which they approve, can the Republic be far behind? Also advancing her pro-abortion stance was the Herald Bulletin on July 5. Beginning on January 16, 2017, when the NYT covered her remarks on a Trump abortion ban through July 5 of this year, she is quoted twenty times in various publications. Clearly, she’s on the woke publications’ go-to-persons-on-abortion rolodex.

It’s not just that she’s the media go-to-person on the topic of abortions, she was as well the plaintiff in a pre-Dobbs case in Indiana to obtain an injunction against enforcement of the state’s second trimester abortion (“dismemberment abortion”) restrictions. She won that case, but now that Roe is overturned, the state seeks to have the inunction lifted, and she is again fighting to keep second trimester abortions legal.
Once an advocate of self-abortions by abortifacient drugs, on July 1 she is quoted in a Fox 59 report as saying they are “risky.” “If women are so desperate to send away to receive pills to have a self-managed abortion at home is what Right-To-Life doing really helping them? Obviously not... because then they wouldn’t be doing something as drastic as that.”
Despite her obvious and easily documented partisanship, her account of the young rape victim was deemed credible -- apparently without any independent examination -- by these media (Courtesy of Megan Fox):

It’s not just the obvious bias of the source of the story, however. There is much more which should have alerted news editors that the story is suspect. Qui bono? That is, to whose benefit is this story? It was used to attack Republican Kristi Noem and will certainly be used to attack all pro-life politicians and contribute to the vitriolic attacks on Supreme Court justices who decided Dobbs. (Justice Brett Kavanaugh, already a target of a would-be-assassin, was just driven by protesters from a downtown D.C. steak house.) The Washington Post’s Jennifer Rubin embraced the Bernard claim with an op-ed entitled “It’s the cruelty that will undo the forced birth crusade.” She bought the tale of the 10-year-old and uses it for her ends -- bashing her former conservative colleagues.