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[A Grey Cat]

I like it, but in a "watch once a year in October" type of way, like I do with Nightmare Before Christmas.

like the hotel transylvannia movies, hocus pocus is fine for putting on the tv in the kids room at a halloween party . (or adults room once everyone is good and drunk/stoned)

The sequel will suck ass. It's inevitable.

there was a Ya novella that served as sequel in 2013 and yeah, that was way better....or at the very least it wasn't as big a soulless cash in as this is shaping up to be.

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

Hocus Pocus was such a strange film and I have to agree with Nostalgia Critic in that its subject material always seemed way off. A main focus of the movie is set on this one boy not losing his virginity yet in high school, which is just, bizarre. I am by no means a puritan, but so much of the film has these weird sexual undertones that rub me the wrong way.

The plot and humor otherwise are just so all over the place and unmemorable that it is had to see it as a cult classic in the same vain as Nightmare Before Christmas. Nightmare may be overrated now thanks to the 2000s, but I can at least understand the appeal in a simple Rankin Bass twist that made it catch on, along with the gorgeous aesthetics. Hocus Pocus just has a disjointed plot and not much to remember it by.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Hocus Pocus was such a strange film and I have to agree with Nostalgia Critic in that its subject material always seemed way off. A main focus of the movie is set on this one boy not losing his virginity yet in high school,

how sad is it when disney saying "virgn " and focusing way too much on the main character being one. is friggin TAME compared to the shit they're pulling now?

compare that to the aformentioned beymax scene. where a mtf troon goes on about wearing pads despite it being impossible for HIM to menstruate . or turning red a can of worms even a year later .

 

[make_it_so]

"B-B-B-BUT IT'S RAYCISS THOUGH!" - Libtards when you point this out

Honest question: has anyone ever explained how Song of the South is racist? I'll plead total ignorance as I've never seen the film. But the way it's being treated you'd think it was in the same vein as Birth of a Nation.

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

Honest question: has anyone ever explained how Song of the South is racist? I'll plead total ignorance as I've never seen the film. But the way it's being treated you'd think it was in the same vein as Birth of a Nation.

White savior moment is why it ended up being racist.

Everything racist about the film was built off weird shit that does not matter to the average viewer given it is a Disney film. One of the main complaints is the depiction of a healthy relationship between blacks and whites, which many feel is Disney turning a blind eye to real history. I guess they want slave torture porn so that it is historically accurate.

The film also uses the term tar baby, which, while not a racial term, has been co-opted as one.

A lot of the film’s problematic material comes from complete misconceptions. The blacks are not slaves as the story takes place post-Civil War, but many think they are. Because of this, they think the film is rewriting history to remove the sins of the white man. They also look for certain terms and inflections of that time period and point to that as racial depictions, not taking in that the white children say them too.

In general, the film is a story of a white boy befriending a black man in a still racially divided time period. They still depict whites as unaware of black’s troubles and blacks as the good guys, but because history is sanitized it is racist.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Disney kind of fucked up because he refused to do some things that would make the story clearer - he didn't put any title cards about how the story takes place after the Civil War, thus showing that Uncle Remus was a free man, because he thought people could tell.

It generated a lot of controversy in its time because of that reason.

 

[Calzaghe]

So how much of a dent do you guys think Epic Universe is going to put into Disney? I also heard rumors years ago that if sea world ever goes on the market that universal is going to be all over it to keep digging into Disney’s market.

 

[Kramer on the phone]

Hocus Pocus was such a strange film and I have to agree with Nostalgia Critic in that its subject material always seemed way off. A main focus of the movie is set on this one boy not losing his virginity yet in high school, which is just, bizarre. I am by no means a puritan, but so much of the film has these weird sexual undertones that rub me the wrong way.

The plot and humor otherwise are just so all over the place and unmemorable that it is had to see it as a cult classic in the same vain as Nightmare Before Christmas. Nightmare may be overrated now thanks to the 2000s, but I can at least understand the appeal in a simple Rankin Bass twist that made it catch on, along with the gorgeous aesthetics. Hocus Pocus just has a disjointed plot and not much to remember it by.

maybe its just a shitty liberal background, but thats part of the fun, people forget how different Gen-X was especially when it came to stuff like sex. teen pregnancy was at an all time high around that time despite the AIDs crisis for a reason. talking about sex was and considered "part of puberty" back then, younger sisters mocking the main character for being a virgin or loser was a huge trope back then.

also virgin blood is such a huge trope in old timey stories that it shouldn't be as big of a weird note and only is because of how sanitized these stories have become. sure people of a certain age will point out how weird the sex stuff is, but i bet to zoomers the whole "everyones white and straight" thing is another point against it. You might as well question why there aren't any moms in old animated disney films or why chose ones always seem to be adopted/orphans. don't blame the film for the weird cultural hangups of the prussians from centuries ago.

I am more curious as to how Hocus Pocus gained so much of a cultural relevance to deserve a sequel in the first place. Am I and Nostalgia Critic the only ones who thought the first movie wasn't that good?

almost no halloween movies that aren't horror, like others said "its disney so its ok" meaning constant reruns. it also has an amazing cast for its genre, and the special effects and performances outclassed the rest of the "non-horror films set around halloween" genre.

I was a huge fan of 13 days of halloween as a kid and i can tell you most of the films shown on tv were mainly either stuff with ghouls or spooky things like casper or made-for-tv movies like disney channel would play nonstop that month or special halloween episodes.

This does bring up another point about "for kids" entertainment. what people believe should be ok for kids, especially now is much stricter than years ago. I remember Rocky Horror being my favorite movie as a kid, having it on a constant loop at family gatherings because of slightly older (middle school) cousins into it.

Which is why i was shocked at how badly i got lashed out at when i babysat some kids and put on the goonies for them. I don't know if you people remember The goonies, but its much more curse word heavy than you realize. no fucks but its basically a South Park episode in terms of word usage. Mind you i bet no one you know anywhere on the planet ever mentioned how "not for kids" that film is. especially when it was released. for fucks sake its almost the stereotypical kids adventure film. its ironic too because i was getting in trouble for showing a 12 and 10 year old the goonies because it contained naughty words when thats roughly the same ages of the cousins that introduced me to a sweet transvestite from another planet. seriously though, a lot of people are going too far in the other direction about what kids can and can't listen to, and its quite absurd.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

This does bring up another point about "for kids" entertainment. what people believe should be ok for kids, especially now is much stricter than years ago. I remember Rocky Horror being my favorite movie as a kid, having it on a constant loop at family gatherings because of slightly older (middle school) cousins into it.

Which is why i was shocked at how badly i got lashed out at when i babysat some kids and put on the goonies for them. I don't know if you people remember The goonies, but its much more curse word heavy than you realize. no fucks but its basically a South Park episode in terms of word usage. Mind you i bet no one you know anywhere on the planet ever mentioned how "not for kids" that film is. especially when it was released. for fucks sake its almost the stereotypical kids adventure film. its ironic too because i was getting in trouble for showing a 12 and 10 year old the goonies because it contained naughty words when thats roughly the same ages of the cousins that introduced me to a sweet transvestite from another planet. seriously though, a lot of people are going too far in the other direction about what kids can and can't listen to, and its quite absurd.

Do you remember when they made kids' cartoons from PG-13 and R-rated movies?... Yeah, those were the days.

The whole moralistic thing is just... absolutely shocking. I learned long ago to never trust anyone who goes "Think of the children!" and it's served me well.

But tell you the truth, I think the kids will be looking for these things. I didn't see Rocky Horror in full until I was, like, fourteen, but I knew what it was anyway. When I was in middle school, a helluva lot of my classmates were watching Family Guy and South Park and listening to violent, profane gangsta rap. And what we knew about sex would have probably shocked the adults in our life. When you're that age, you want to be an adult, really badly.

 

[Kramer on the phone]

Do you remember when they made kids' cartoons from PG-13 and R-rated movies?... Yeah, those were the days.

The whole moralistic thing is just... absolutely shocking. I learned long ago to never trust anyone who goes "Think of the children!" and it's served me well.

But tell you the truth, I think the kids will be looking for these things. I didn't see Rocky Horror in full until I was, like, fourteen, but I knew what it was anyway. When I was in middle school, a helluva lot of my classmates were watching Family Guy and South Park and listening to violent, profane gangsta rap. And what we knew about sex would have probably shocked the adults in our life. When you're that age, you want to be an adult, really badly.

exactly, i know its different with people from "leave it to beaver" type neighborhoods but a lot of it is tastes too. not a lot of family friendly gangsta rap. Also while you could just cut that out of your life pre-internet, eventually you'll run into real life just by being informed, and unfortunately 'ricans and niggers don't have the same views about sex and language as the whites do.

it might also be a lot more about the culture at the time, seeing tits on television even if they're blurred out. I don't think GGW even has infomercials on anymore, and i'm sure kids won't be watching porn as easily as they did when google first came out. i remember that even the schools didn't have blockers or filters back then.

I mean for fucks sake Austin powers and Charlies Angels were pg-13 yet extremely sexual, compared to movies nowadays they feel like more blatantly sexual than porn parodies.

even stuff like nude scenes aren't as common in mature shows like they were a decade ago, we went from the main actresses being completely naked in the first half of GOT to not even nude extras by the final seasons.

obviously i'm not that close with the younger ones, but i feel like their exposure to adult things is much more behind where people born in the 20th century was, but its probably a lot more based on parenting but culture has a fuckload more to do with it, no major blockbuster since 2014 has hot chicks showing off their skin like we had with star trek ito darkness, xmen first class, transformers, etc. even Megan Fox's brief career as a sex symbol isn't something that has been done effectively since, just having a hot chick for the main character to make out with at the end of the film is rare now.

having said that, pop music is still going strong on the sex, but again if you aren't into nigger music you're safe. no more BET uncut, and youtube requires you to sign in. honestly parental locks are a fuck load easier and more used than a decade ago.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

exactly, i know its different with people from "leave it to beaver" type neighborhoods but a lot of it is tastes too. not a lot of family friendly gangsta rap. Also while you could just cut that out of your life pre-internet, eventually you'll run into real life just by being informed, and unfortunately 'ricans and niggers don't have the same views about sex and language as the whites do.

it might also be a lot more about the culture at the time, seeing tits on television even if they're blurred out. I don't think GGW even has infomercials on anymore, and i'm sure kids won't be watching porn as easily as they did when google first came out. i remember that even the schools didn't have blockers or filters back then.

I mean for fucks sake Austin powers and Charlies Angels were pg-13 yet extremely sexual, compared to movies nowadays they feel like more blatantly sexual than porn parodies.

even stuff like nude scenes aren't as common in mature shows like they were a decade ago, we went from the main actresses being completely naked in the first half of GOT to not even nude extras by the final seasons.

obviously i'm not that close with the younger ones, but i feel like their exposure to adult things is much more behind where people born in the 20th century was, but its probably a lot more based on parenting but culture has a fuckload more to do with it, no major blockbuster since 2014 has hot chicks showing off their skin like we had with star trek ito darkness, xmen first class, transformers, etc. even Megan Fox's brief career as a sex symbol isn't something that has been done effectively since, just having a hot chick for the main character to make out with at the end of the film is rare now.

having said that, pop music is still going strong on the sex, but again if you aren't into nigger music you're safe. no more BET uncut, and youtube requires you to sign in. honestly parental locks are a fuck load easier and more used than a decade ago.

There were blockers and filters back then, too, but... I dunno, it's probably harder to do that now. They worked easier when there was no Facebook or Twitter or YouTube.

You simply can't shelter your kids forever. They're gonna go to school and discover things you don't want them to.

 

[S@credC]

The sequel will suck ass. It's inevitable

I'm sure it will. The original was made in the 90s. I'm thinking the tone will be so different that it's going to kill any of the charm people found in the original.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

Which is why i was shocked at how badly i got lashed out at when i babysat some kids and put on the goonies for them. I don't know if you people remember The goonies, but its much more curse word heavy than you realize. no fucks but its basically a South Park episode in terms of word usage. Mind you i bet no one you know anywhere on the planet ever mentioned how "not for kids" that film is. especially when it was released.

Everyone I knew who grew up watching The Goonies only did so because their parents had it on VHS/DVD and showed it to them, because they saw it in theaters when it came out and loved it. Those kids' parents probably never got to see it at that age for various reasons (most likely because their parents were strict) and so they continued that strict kind of parenting.

It's actually pretty fucking hilarious to me because everyone I knew in person who quoted it and talked about it so lovingly are all active church-going people. If us crazy Mormons could be so fond of The Goonies, it just makes those parents banning it all the more nuts. Even a Fundie childhood friend of mine who couldn't watch Harry Potter was allowed to watch The Goonies and Mean Girls.

(Meanwhile it's sad how The Goonies is so widespread and praised, and yet the '90s kids got their own version in the form of The Sandlot but I've always had a hard time finding folks my age who actually grew up with it.)

 

[Kier Starmer]

Damn Disney really has no faith in Hocus Pocus 2 just chucking it straight on disney plus.

As for Epic Universe, damn I think EU is going to destroy Disney for that year. Sure they have their indoctrinated weird adult cult but EU looks dope as hell. I heard rumors of Universal grabbing a lot of the Imagineers that Disney stupidly laid off. This would not surprise me because Wizarding World is incredible with so much attention to detail. Mario World looks fantastic and is pretty revolutionary in terms of park design because it is highly interactive along with using tricks like height etc to alter the goer's perspective.

They are playing a good game too by only announcing 1 sector as there is still a lot of land after hotels etc. It does not help that people are in Disney fatigue too. I heard the Sea World and Universal buying it rumor too and I can see that happening.

 

[Xerxes IX]

Damn Disney really has no faith in Hocus Pocus 2 just chucking it straight on disney plus.

As for Epic Universe, damn I think EU is going to destroy Disney for that year. Sure they have their indoctrinated weird adult cult but EU looks dope as hell. I heard rumors of Universal grabbing a lot of the Imagineers that Disney stupidly laid off. This would not surprise me because Wizarding World is incredible with so much attention to detail. Mario World looks fantastic and is pretty revolutionary in terms of park design because it is highly interactive along with using tricks like height etc to alter the goer's perspective.

They are playing a good game too by only announcing 1 sector as there is still a lot of land after hotels etc. It does not help that people are in Disney fatigue too. I heard the Sea World and Universal buying it rumor too and I can see that happening.

Disney wishes it has the kind of dedicated manchildren Nintendo does. Epic Universe is going to wipe the floor with their parks especially with how even Disney die hards are realizing how the theme parks are all about squeezing every cent out of them instead of providing a good experience. Good or even decent Mario and Zelda lands will get the response Disney wishes it had for Galaxy's Edge.

 

[XYZpdq]

Disney wishes it has the kind of dedicated manchildren Nintendo does. Epic Universe is going to wipe the floor with their parks especially with how even Disney die hards are realizing how the theme parks are all about squeezing every cent out of them instead of providing a good experience. Good or even decent Mario and Zelda lands will get the response Disney wishes it had for Galaxy's Edge.

iirc it's Mario Kart, Yoshi, and Donkey Kong, probably about the same as the stuff already open in Japan?

 

[Trashtaur]

I’m still rather sad that Gigantic movie never got made; it looked to be shaping up to be something pretty fun and interesting, if not a bit cliche.

Jack and the Beanstalk is one of my favorite fairytales, so I’m a bit biased on this, but seeing as it was gonna be made by the people behind Tangled (another film I’m fond of), I was excited regardless.

I was really interested in how they were gonna tackle and develop the Giants’ society/culture (the whole idea of a civilization of beings living in the sky is neat in of itself), especially the Storm Giants aka the Villains.

(I saw some concept art of them some time back and it looked to be that the producers were taking a lot of inspiration from Norse Mythology, particularly the Jotunn, Dwarves, and Thor/Mjolnir).

Seeing these guys and their thunder/lightning powers on the big screen would’ve been badass as fuck.

(Also rather interested in how they were gonna tackle the plot points of stealing the gold, goose, and harp, since what little we got about the film never really brought that up. There was some concept doodles of the golden goose, but that’s about it).

Looking back at the film’s announcement panel on YT is pretty bittersweet in retrospect, especially seeing how excited the production crew was onstage.

 

[Shekelslovakia]

he's not even trying anymore in this video instead half the video is just him doing some Seinfeld/David Letterman (Humor that only the person telling it finds funny and nobody else does. I don't like those shows to begin with) cringe comedy sketch like he's trying to be a third rate Svengoolie or something like that.

I immediately turned the video off since he wasn't getting to the point fast enough, I've seen Nostalgia Critic interludes that werent this bad nor long. All for what? Just to tell his audience that Hasbro didn't have enough backers for Reva's "choppersaber".

The real question though is...
Why am I still subscribe to Griffer Von Dumbcuck again??

 

[Gaymead]

What are you gonna do when the kids see other kids who have two dads or two moms? How do you explain that to them if you can't tell them about being gay until they're 16?

Boy you really are such a retarded faggot, huh, @Steamboat_Bill? Are trying to get a kick out of someone or you really a fudge-packing "uranian" homosexual?

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

Boy you really are such a retarded faggot, huh, @Steamboat_Bill? Are trying to get a kick out of someone or you really a fudge-packing "uranian" homosexual?

>has an Owl House avatar
>calls other people faggots
Fucking omega-lul. Projection much?

Edit: HAHAHAHA HE ACTUALLY CHANGED THE AVATAR AFTER I CALLED HIM OUT. FUCKING TOP KEK