Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[Shotgun Badger]

Bit late, but Olly decided to promote that dysphoria article he wrote on tumblr
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I don't really remember how Tumblr actually works, are the comments above his comments on the thing he wrote or is this just an unrelated thing he's inserted himself into?

Also, Yandere-clown, in the one in a million chance that you happen to read my post, most of the "TERFs" would absolutely agree with the notion that you are describing that cis women clearly feel extremely anxious about their physical appearance not adhering enough to traditional femininity, but the whole thing about gendercritical ideology is that this is restrictive and destructive preoccupation with the feminine that's ultimately harmful to most women's self esteem and mental health. As I say again and again, this is the crux of the gender critical idea, wow, they are critical of gender as a concept!

That's the problem because a trans person like you loves gender, obsesses over it. Its a concept that's completely and utterly integral to the very notion of being trans, this is why there can be no agreement, where trans people become extremely obsessed with gender roles as a concept to be adhered to if they take on the correct appearance, or pronouns, or behaviour, or place in society, gender critical feminists will argue that this is intrinsically a fools errand and there should be no loyalty to any concept of gender at all, which have only served to do things like encourage these alienated views of one's own body when people don't fully meet the platonic ideal of their gender (and honestly, who does?). Instead of gender and its vast amount of baggage its far more important to recognize that the divisions that gender has imposed are fundamentally hollow and if anything is to be recognized its the material and concrete differences that exist between the male and female body which can't truly change, and with the repercussions this has had for all of human history and its ongoing relevance to this day. In this sense, sex is something that exists and must be recognized, but isn't a concrete prison cell controlling people's entire lives, that's what gender all too often ends up being with its societally imposed proscriptions on people's behaviour and presentation that reinforces how gender works in society at large. This is the gender critical explanation for why cis women may experience 'Dysphoria', and its really not something that's a great big problem that their ideology can't explain.

 

[pangolins]

I don't really remember how Tumblr actually works, are the comments above his comments on the thing he wrote or is this just an unrelated thing he's inserted himself into?

He's inserting himself into this to promote his article

 

[Shotgun Badger]

He's inserting himself into this to promote his article

Lmao, of fucking course.

 

[AfghanBlue]

LOL, Tube has an accurate perception of a situation for once

 

[Shotgun Badger]

LOL, View attachment 3481527Tube has an accurate perception of a situation for once

It would be kind of funny if this play was completely sold out, the event of the season, and Tube has nothing prepared at all and its a ramshackle mess when it actually opens.

Maybe its all a The Producers-esque scam.

 

[Tombigbee]

The reading list for the Art video. I would bet dollars to donuts that if we were to google “art criticism books” or something similar, we would find the source that Olly cribbed this from. There is no way he read or in anyway engaged with all of these books.

And I only skimmed the list, (sorry I can’t read as fast as Princess Olly), but is Berger really not on it? If so, I think Olly regularly reads this thread and left it out after @AssignedEva commented on what to expect. I truly believe that.

 

[AfghanBlue]

omg how did we miss this
Joanfromlegal comes out swingin'!











and then the Megalodon surfaces ..


Damn, Joan.
Lol.



21 days ago that all went down - but only 23 days ago, posted on the killjamesbond reddit...some possibly lighthearted thing, i dont know or have any urge to lisetn to it to parse out the meaning.


EDIT- Wait..she is also the engine of the KJB sub? was posting in that like, more than anyone else, up to just days before this cringeout kickoff?




Damn, Joan.

Tube has had one fan? and it's Joan.
and Joan gone now.
the barometer spins cold and stormy...

 

[AssignedEva]

The reading list for the Art video. I would bet dollars to donuts that if we were to google “art criticism books” or something similar, we would find the source that Olly cribbed this from. There is no way he read or in anyway engaged with all of these books.

And I only skimmed the list, (sorry I can’t read as fast as Princess Olly), but is Berger really not on it? If so, I think Olly regularly reads this thread and left it out after @AssignedEva commented on what to expect. I truly believe that.
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Ah, so a slightly different take on art. Multiple references to ArtSpace magazine's critiques on zombie formalism which is basically an insulting term for type of formal abstraction, often tied in with young artists engaged in some novelty process ("it's the first painting made using a deck chair as a paintbrush!", gesturing at a monochrome canvas with streaks of silver and grey). Popular with people who want an easy investment and aren't terribly fussed about the art itself so want something vaguely minimalist or like a Pollock painting.

Given he's also citing Barthes (and Lindsay Ellis lol) on death of the author, he might be exploring how the wealthy have warped the art field by constructing narratives around certain pieces which aren't really linked to the piece itself. Kinda like an NFT, the value isn't so much the painting but the fact it's "the first painting that was made with cloud computing". The meaning of the art can be argued to be it represents a symbol of good investment rather than any meaning in the art itself, shifting away from "art for art's sake" and back towards the tradition of art being something wealthy people commission for status.

The riposte to Barthes and the reference to Paul Joseph Watson is probably to counterbalance the idea that modern art is all soulless materialism and that abstract pieces can carry a lot of meaning (which I agree with). You could probably draw a comparison for the reasons why e.g. a Picasso being judged as good art are not the reason a wealthy person might want to own an original Picasso (returning to art-as-status and art-as-narrative).

He throws in a reference to critical pluralism which was kinda the shift away from the 19th century school of "good art is what the Académie says it is and if it's not like this then you're doing it wrong" and by the mid 20th century sort of a dismissivenes of the concept of discrete artistic movements, instead arguing there's lots of different approaches to creating art and none of them are wrong. I think it links in more with building narratives around artists as well - arguing "x criticism is bad because it ignores they're speaking to a black working class audience".

This being Ollie I wouldn't be surprised if it ends on a note like "if you think this zombie formalism piece is good art, then it is good art, because art being good is subjective and it doesn't matter what art critics say. But if this is what the video is about, I'm mildly impressed. It's not groundbreaking but is is somewhat interesting. Moderately good job, Ollie.

 

[The Best of Me]

Ah, so a slightly different take on art. Multiple references to ArtSpace magazine's critiques on zombie formalism which is basically an insulting term for type of formal abstraction, often tied in with young artists engaged in some novelty process ("it's the first painting made using a deck chair as a paintbrush!", gesturing at a monochrome canvas with streaks of silver and grey). Popular with people who want an easy investment and aren't terribly fussed about the art itself so want something vaguely minimalist or like a Pollock painting.

Given he's also citing Barthes (and Lindsay Ellis lol) on death of the author, he might be exploring how the wealthy have warped the art field by constructing narratives around certain pieces which aren't really linked to the piece itself. Kinda like an NFT, the value isn't so much the painting but the fact it's "the first painting that was made with cloud computing". The meaning of the art can be argued to be it represents a symbol of good investment rather than any meaning in the art itself, shifting away from "art for art's sake" and back towards the tradition of art being something wealthy people commission for status.

The riposte to Barthes and the reference to Paul Joseph Watson is probably to counterbalance the idea that modern art is all soulless materialism and that abstract pieces can carry a lot of meaning (which I agree with). You could probably draw a comparison for the reasons why e.g. a Picasso being judged as good art are not the reason a wealthy person might want to own an original Picasso (returning to art-as-status and art-as-narrative).

He throws in a reference to critical pluralism which was kinda the shift away from the 19th century school of "good art is what the Académie says it is and if it's not like this then you're doing it wrong" and by the mid 20th century sort of a dismissivenes of the concept of discrete artistic movements, instead arguing there's lots of different approaches to creating art and none of them are wrong. I think it links in more with building narratives around artists as well - arguing "x criticism is bad because it ignores they're speaking to a black working class audience".

This being Ollie I wouldn't be surprised if it ends on a note like "if you think this zombie formalism piece is good art, then it is good art, because art being good is subjective and it doesn't matter what art critics say. But if this is what the video is about, I'm mildly impressed. It's not groundbreaking but is is somewhat interesting. Moderately good job, Ollie.

The PJW video, in tandem with the Jacob Geller and 'Patricia' Taxxon videos strongly suggest he's going to include some discussion on the Nazis' attempteted codification of 'Degenerate Art', although I can't image his contribution to 'the discourse' will extend much beyond "Seeeeeee? The Nazi's saw expressionist (&c.) art as a threat to their reigime, so any value judgments passed on cultural works automatically flag the person making them as suspicious, especially if they're a middle-age white woman"

Bit unrelated but one of the most cathartic dressing downs of (what was at one point) a prestigious work of contemporary performance art, including a terse derision of 'conceptualist' art in general is an ancient Dan Olson legacy essay from 2011 on the Cremaster Cycle. It's short but it surely prove to be a more insightful and informationally dense essay on art and the culture surrounding modern art than anything Olly could hope to put out:

 

[scathefire]

The reading list for the Art video. I would bet dollars to donuts that if we were to google “art criticism books” or something similar, we would find the source that Olly cribbed this from. There is no way he read or in anyway engaged with all of these books.

And I only skimmed the list, (sorry I can’t read as fast as Princess Olly), but is Berger really not on it? If so, I think Olly regularly reads this thread and left it out after @AssignedEva commented on what to expect. I truly believe that.
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So I guess this will be about "right-wingers think that contemporary art is stupid, but here's why I think it's not stupid". Few people are "afraid" of modern art, they're just calling a spade a spade and saying it's overly pretentious for what it actually consists of. For example, shitting on the sidewalk as a commentary on how capitalism affects the human condition.

And when I say modern art I don't mean things like impressionism, I mean things like overly simplistic and low-effort abstract paintings and hyper-theoretical performances that are meant to shock people, among other things. Almost nobody likes these things outside of the art establishment.

 

[The Best of Me]

So I guess this will be about "right-wingers think that contemporary art is stupid, but here's why I think it's not stupid". Few people are "afraid" of modern art, they're just calling a spade a spade and saying it's overly pretentious for what it actually consists of. For example, shitting on the sidewalk as a commentary on how capitalism affects the human condition.

And when I say modern art I don't mean things like impressionism, I mean things like overly simplistic and low-effort abstract paintings and hyper-theoretical performances that are meant to shock people, among other things. Almost nobody likes these things outside of the art establishment.

Another old but interesting vid on why contemporary art is 'the way it is'

 

[AfghanBlue]

This being Ollie I wouldn't be surprised if it ends on a note like "if you think this zombie formalism piece is good art, then it is good art, because art being good is subjective and it doesn't matter what art critics say. But if this is what the video is about, I'm mildly impressed. It's not groundbreaking but is is somewhat interesting. Moderately good job, Ollie.

Returning to his first year BA concept/module 101 comfort zone.
That ain’t even a slight, it’s what he was moderately good at.

I think it’s more likely he’s run out of ideas than had any genuine humbling moment of clarity, but..

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

And when I say modern art I don't mean things like impressionism, I mean things like overly simplistic and low-effort abstract paintings and hyper-theoretical performances that are meant to shock people, among other things. Almost nobody likes these things outside of the art establishment.

Taping a banana to a wall and having it eaten by a random jackass then declaring that too a part of the performance is peak "modern art".

 

[Watcher]

like.. it’s easy enough to flick past pages when you take in absolutely fucking nothing.

He most likely just learned how to skim pages and didn't realize he wasn't actually paying attention. I feel like he's done this with the subject matter of his videos as well but he typically doesn't even think about the realistic consequences of things he advocates for.

Bro does he not hear himself tho? Surely out of sheer thought experiment, people, even narcs, must reflect somewhat on.. what/who/how they talk about themselves constantly, and think about how that must look? Even just as pure intellectual curiosity rather than moral interrogation?
No?

To be fair to PT. He is constantly showered with artificial praise and attention every day from his vapid agp audience. They view him as a role model and super hero. That sort of treatment will eventually go to anyone's head.

 

[Tombigbee]

https://mobile.twitter.com/PhilosophyTube/status/1546963592959909894

(There’s a video at the link. He coos at the cat in his troon voice.)

 

[crestfallen]

The reading list for the Art video. I would bet dollars to donuts that if we were to google “art criticism books” or something similar, we would find the source that Olly cribbed this from. There is no way he read or in anyway engaged with all of these books.

And I only skimmed the list, (sorry I can’t read as fast as Princess Olly), but is Berger really not on it? If so, I think Olly regularly reads this thread and left it out after @AssignedEva commented on what to expect. I truly believe that.
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God, it's so painfully obvious that he just wants to look as well read as possible.
Reading philosophy is not really the same as reading fiction. Blasting through dozens philosophy books probably just means that you are not properly absorbing or considering the contents.
Even if he really did read all those books, it's a ridiculous idea to make an hour long video about such a wide range of sources, as it would be impossible to cover any of them in any meaningful depth. In an academic environment he would have been encouraged to significantly cut down that reading list and focus on a few specific sources (or maybe even just one). And from what I have seen of PT videos, that is what he ends up doing. His bibliographies only partially reflect the content of the video, and are mainly just there to make him look smart.

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

God, it's so painfully obvious that he just wants to look as well read as possible.
Reading philosophy is not really the same as reading fiction. Blasting through dozens philosophy books probably just means that you are not properly absorbing or considering the contents.
Even if he really did read all those books, it's a ridiculous idea to make an hour long video about such a wide range of sources, as it would be impossible to cover any of them in any meaningful depth. In an academic environment he would have been encouraged to significantly cut down that reading list and focus on a few specific sources (or maybe even just one). And from what I have seen of PT videos, that is what he ends up doing. His bibliographies only partially reflect the content of the video, and are mainly just there to make him look smart.

He gets a quote or two at best from any of the books on his bibliography lists anyway and his videos mostly consist of narc AGP ego- and dick stroking. He's not a serious academic or performer by any measure.

 

[Clem Fandango]

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https://mobile.twitter.com/PhilosophyTube/status/1546963592959909894

(There’s a video at the link. He coos at the cat in his troon voice.)

I still miss the stray cat
I befriended when
I was living in Romania
I hope the lady
I convinced to take you in...

Fuck me. I know Null gets annoyed when every lolcow thread accuses the subject of being a narcissist, but come on. How much self-centredness can you cram into a single tweet about a cat????

Forget narcissist, Chube is full on solipsist.

 

[narcissistic injury]

Soun

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(There’s a video at the link. He coos at the cat in his troon voice.)

Sounds like mrs doubt fire lol

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

Almost nobody likes these things outside of the art establishment.

Idk man, this always gets a chuckle out of me. Ollie could even be pole guy.

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(There’s a video at the link. He coos at the cat in his troon voice.)

Well that is insanely off-putting. Very cute cat though. Seems like he's forcing the baby talk, like he's just imitating how he thinks he should act. I talk to my pets like a retard but it's spontaneous and just because I find them very cute, I would tone it down around other people. He's cooing and prodding at this kitty with his big mitts only seeing it as yet another prop to further his image as down-to-earth, altruistic and super cool despite his status. Imagine that - Abigail Thorn, most famous trans princess in all of TERF Island, and he still has time and interest for lowly stray animals! He just gets more loveable and relatable by the day doesn't he?

Forget narcissist, Chube is full on solipsist.

It's just like the nondualist philosophers of ancient India taught: all life is leela, AKA the countless manifestations of play of the divine Brahman Chube.