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Reddit when the darkies don't fall in line:
Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!
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There was a brief chapter in all this when some took issue with what they percieved to be @YoungRippa59 talking-down to CG and bashing crowdfunding. The issue of him having the ability to goose his numbers came up but I think the sane take was that he almost certainly would never have to, at least not at this point. But yeah, in theory he can plug in whatever he wants (in which case, if it's me, I'm being a Mack and having a $1M first 24-hours, not first 30-hours). With the amount of blind hype surrounding him, though, what would be the endgame?
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Anyone can do that with their own web site.
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Doing ANYTHING on Reddit is the worse thing you can do. Reddit is fucking cancer.
I don't know if this is true, and I don't have anything against July, but I have to confess I've been raising my eyebrows these last few pages over what I've been seeing. It's been my understanding this whole time that his campaign figures aren't subject to third-party verification like IGG or KS.
Are they true? Maybe. I dunno. Does anybody?
Clout and attention? He's no doubt well aware of that fact that CG measures its success based on sales revenue per campaign. How many times have we all heard @FROG downplay Iconic because they haven't had a book pull in as much money as Cyberfrog? All other considerations are often ignored. It is THE yardstick that CG uses for success. Make no mistake, if July makes more revenue, and sells more units, than a single issue of Cyberfrog, that would be a massive game changer that CG wouldn't be able to ignore.
Again, this purely a hypothetical though. Devil's advocate. He might very well have crossed the 1M $ mark. I just don't know if there's any way to independently verify it right now.
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No clue, but it certainly wouldn't be the first time fame and success went into people's head and made them do something dumb.
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That was less July being dismissive of crowdfunding and more him being really confused at why his potential customers like Michael Bancroft were running livestreams voicing their concerns about him paying for the costs up front, instead of offloading all the financial risk onto the customers (like Bancroft) through crowdfunding. For some reason Bancroft had a real problem with this.
Eventually he of Rip gave up trying to understand esoteric Comicsgate logic and was like "fuck it, fine, whatever" and I guess built a sales tracker thing onto his online store that sort of looked like a crowdfund tracker page so the Comicsgaters could point to it and make content about it and shit. This seems to have made both parties happy.
The Rippaverse store also has some "campaign stretch goals" which sort of look like those the bonus tchotckies that go with crowdfunds once they meet a funding goal but on closer inspection... aren't. The important thing is that it conforms to the now firmly set form of a "independent comic campaign" in the Comicsgater mind even though it isn't a crowdfund, and they'll get off his ass.
Eventually he of Rip gave up trying to understand esoteric Comicsgate logic and was like "fuck it, fine, whatever" and I guess built a sales tracker thing onto his online store that sort of looked like a crowdfund tracker page so the Comicsgaters could point to it and make content about it and shit. This seems to have made both parties happy.
The Rippaverse store also has some "campaign stretch goals" which sort of look like those the bonus tchotckies that go with crowdfunds once they meet a funding goal but on closer inspection... aren't. The important thing is that it conforms to the now firmly set form of a "independent comic campaign" in the Comicsgater mind even though it isn't a crowdfund, and they'll get off his ass.
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Whatever the total might be, it isn’t going to be low. For contrast, Hunt the Littlest Umbrella is sitting at $154k. With a story and visual aesthetic that calls to mind mid 90s Slave Labor Graphics, it’s not the kind of book that screams blockbuster, but such is the power of YouTube.
Rippa can very conceivably beat that, working his grift in double time for months on the same channels TUG has, plus G&G and FNT.
It’s a little eyebrow raising to imagine the Rippaverse had more money-making potential than BRZRKR, though.
With all the power to control the information regarding his book launch, it’s likely Rippa’s doing a little fake-it-till-ya-make-it for the sake of blowing up the hype at launch time. There’s no way I can think of to prove his claims are true. Right now anyway. These things come to light eventually. Like, when he files his income for example.
Rippa can very conceivably beat that, working his grift in double time for months on the same channels TUG has, plus G&G and FNT.
It’s a little eyebrow raising to imagine the Rippaverse had more money-making potential than BRZRKR, though.
With all the power to control the information regarding his book launch, it’s likely Rippa’s doing a little fake-it-till-ya-make-it for the sake of blowing up the hype at launch time. There’s no way I can think of to prove his claims are true. Right now anyway. These things come to light eventually. Like, when he files his income for example.
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I’m more interested in seeing if he can deliver said books in a timely manner, even though he supposedly has a warehouse full of books.
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Oh. I think it'll sell. I just got done saying the other day that people will buy the weirdest shit if they feel they're making some sort of statement.
Like yourself, I'm just... shall we say... not entirely convinced he's beaten out FROG with his freshman outing. That's a mighty tall claim.
That too.
I'm gonna laugh my ass off if Rippa actually has beat @FROG's figures. and anybody in CG starts suddenly pontificating about fulfillment.
That said, if he has surpassed FROG, AND if he fulfills in a reasonable amount of time too, I think that would be the very definition of a total blowout.
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I don't have much knowledge on that sub apart from one or two visits to see them sneeding about Znyder (the kino one, not the comic one), & the copium-huffing with manga constantly outselling comics. But from the little bits I see, it can almost get it's own thread.Reddit is keeping the black man down.(Twitter) edit: https://archive.ph/t5iML
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Remember the tiff between Rippa and Malin a few months back, when Rippa dared him to take a bet about whose book would earn more or something along those lines? Malin told him no, I’m not taking that bet, because your numbers won’t be verified by a third party (Indiegogo)
Right now it looks like everyone in CG is playing nice with Rippa because he’s nice to them and his success owns the libs and whatever; with no smoking gun pointing to foul play there’s really no other tactful approach for them to take. Friction with Rippa can only hurt them at this moment.
How long do you give it before Malin calls Rippa a liar and burns the CG bridge?
Right now it looks like everyone in CG is playing nice with Rippa because he’s nice to them and his success owns the libs and whatever; with no smoking gun pointing to foul play there’s really no other tactful approach for them to take. Friction with Rippa can only hurt them at this moment.
How long do you give it before Malin calls Rippa a liar and burns the CG bridge?
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July has 477K subscribers; his platform is bigger than every Comicsgate creator combined. And he actually talks about comics on a regular basis too which helps. The FNT/G&G/Anti-SJW livestream tours on top of that are just cake. I thought a million bucks was a conservative estimate if he ever got around to making the comic he's been talking about for the past 3 years.
CG's usefulness from his perspective isn't really their meager platforms lending "support" but their considerable collective knowhow in actually creating and fulfilling a comic. While July is definitely a master of stoking and maintaining hype, his distinctly un-Rippalike lack of confidence going into his debut comic project and sinking $200,000 in advance (no doubt the biggest investment in his life) with no idea what was going to happen was palpable. A guy who was getting guidance from Preston Poulter and fretting over what a relative ant like Michael Bancroft has to say is not a guy who's super-confident in what the fuck he was doing.
Still, taking the plunge has worked out well for him; all he really has to do at this point is stick the landing and produce a decent comic book on schedule and his fans will be coming back for more and if he hasn't eclipsed Rekt Planet yet he soon will. He has the resources to do it, it's just a matter of allocating them correctly. And that's just a matter of receiving good advice from qualified individuals.
meanwhile: Simple Zack mopes about people responding to his thinly veiled blind items passive aggressively shitting on them - this is the end of the free expression of thought and opinion; open discourse is dead
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Yeah, I guess. I'm just not sure he's the kind of guy that exhibits our brand of autism. I guess having "different aspirations" comes with different retardation. Just look at what he thinks Stretch Goals are supposed to be. Were you on pins and needles waiting for the campaign to hit "150,000" so we could unlock reality? Me neither. His campaign blew right past it but in retrospect it's comforting to know that it happened and CERN's Large Hadron collider didn't rip a hole in the universe that we all fell through without our knowledge.
As @Mister Dongs suggests, it seems like he's doing something that in his mind resembles what he sees in CG, indie publishing, and crowdfunding in general to some extent, but doing it "his way" (a way that "makes sense for him"). If you've watched this retard ramble for awhile (and I have) there's a lot of weird sense-making that's easy to ignore if you're entertained by watching a black guy ramble and yell at you. But, I just don't think much is going to come from trying to get him to operate on anyone else's level. It's why I don't think he ever really cared or was worried about his sales figures vis-a-vis other people in that way, as Dongs points out, he was too busy worrying about the very real upfront investment into something he had no experience with. I could be wrong, but the back of the napkin math was done early on almost certainly and he had lots of people giving him advice and rooting for his success. These guys in the G+G syndicate (and make no mistake, he is more G+G than CG or anything else) have a closed-loop system for fart huffing at this point if they want so whatever happens, it was never not going to be spun as an unmitigated success and if you stop looking at this as a creative project and start looking at it as YouTuber merch sales then they already have quite a bit of rough internal data on conversation rates to be able to make at least a few safe guesses. I'm sure he's aware he could go in and fudge whatever numbers he wants, but I just don't think he'd need to.
If I remember correctly, dude signed-up here, yelled at Dongs for a few hours, then peaced the fuck out which is respectable in a way insofar as he has some kind of frame that he's able to maintain. He's on a mission. He's delusional/retarded, but retarded in a way not unlike a lot of inspired, creative people. Now he just has to deliver on the hype. We're just getting a degree of familiarity through exposure that naturally breeds contempt. Given that he never needed to drum up an audience, I really wish he would have surprised everyone with it instead of sperging for a year about nothing but whatever.
Watching Rippa victory lap on Geeks + Gamers tonight, it's kinda awkward hearing both Gabe Eltaeb celebrated and Anna TSWG inducted into Eric July lore as someone pivotal in making their networking possible, but scarcely a mention of CG in any of this. I mean, I heard "CG" uttered by Jeremy once. Meanwhile, Eric is the man who "changed comics" and genre fandom forever. We all know why that most likely is, but still... At any rate, let's check in on Ethan and see how he's doing:
It wouldn't be hard. He reached his "Stretch Goals" related to buying a van and hiring employees. He also suspended his regular streaming so I wouldn't be surprised if he pivots to blog/vlogging the fulfillment process. He's got a particular fixation with putting "the business" ahead of the actual creative content, after all, so that's something that would be in his apparent wheelhouse.
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Oh, if this goes pear shaped, and Rippa's figures aren't horseshit...
This thread will have material for ages.
With no centralized leadership to tardwrangle any of these idiots? I think any one of them could lose their shit at any time, and kick off a truly epic shitshow.
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it‘s only a matter of time before shit goes south. These guys have been doing crowdfunding for years and Rippa just comes in and makes a million off the bat. (If his figures are to be believed.) That’s bound to create some jealousy and rearrange the pecking order a bit. Which we all know a certain narcissist is not going to like.
Right now, Rippa is kind of in the middle ground between FNT and CG and that’s not going to last too long because of the bad blood between the two groups. Eventually, I think he is going to go towards the FNT crowd because that’s where most of the fans are and he is not going to play second fiddle to anyone in CG. Not after how successful this campaign is and especially not if it beats Brzrkrr.
As of right now, I don’t see anyone in CG repeating this feat simply because of the bad blood they’ve built with customers over late books and non answers. They won’t be able to generate that much hype again.
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Uh-Oh!
EarthWorm Jim Flashbacks.
The conversation prior to this was about how Malin couldn't ignore his own poop or something.
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My speculation now turns to what the cope is gonna be.
By way of example, @FROG has pooh-poohed Kamen America because he doesn't like anime, and none of their campaigns have made as much as the top CG earners. The former makes him sound like a sour boomer (IMO), while the latter point is objectively correct.
But what do you do with Rippa?
"Well, it doesn't have a cybernetic frog, and he's not on CG branded streams watching skanks pee! How can he possibly save western civilization?"
Wouldn't WordNerd have to make nice with Ethan and rejoin CG first?
Honestly, with this crew, the possibilities are endless. Perhaps JDA will try to involve himself in this by claiming that it's all an elaborate attempt by Rippa (who is secretly an SJW) to persecute him because he's FROG's "top lieutenant," and the only hope to save Comicsgate now is to grant Vito Gesualdi emergency membership. Whereupon, all will be browbeaten into throwing their support behind Vito's magnum opus: "Lolita Cuties: Everybody Loves Little Girls - Volume 1." Artwork will be by Shadman.
Speaking of, JDA is on Rekieta right now. If anybody gives a shit.
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I would like to think, with all of the hyping and supporting @FROG has done, that Malin will hold his tongue and not immediately go after Rippa, but as we know, Malin is a master diplomat.
I do think part of the reason FNT and G+G crew are hyping up this book so much, while effectively ignoring CG, is Rippa is someone they can call part of 'their team'. Which means, now when asked what FNT and G+G are actually doing in the 'culture war', they can point to Rippaverse. They couldn't do that with CG, since CG effectively existed before them and was never controlled by the main dudes over there.
But maybe I am reading way to much drama into these internet clowns. The real interesting thing in the future will be how Gabe Eltaeb handles this, as if/when Rippa disavows CG and burns that bridge, will Gabe pick a side, or will he still try and walk the line? I think the only reason Anna has managed to do so is because she is some of the best eye candy in either group, and she attracts a lot of simps.
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Gotta be honest, I don't give a shit about overpriced indie comics. But I find the web of inter personal relationships in this circle fascinating and amusing.
For example, Anna gets along with YF and Efap, but hates FNT, meanwhile Rippa is is cordial with the CG crowd, and put on a pedestal by the FNT crew (specially now since they lost their other magical-american JSG earlier this year).
I could go on, but you get the picture.
If @FROG wants to get maximum trolling points, he should probably try to insert himself into FNT via Rippa, and just watch AZ, Jeremy and Gary's blood boil. Throw some "zeroes" jokes in there, for good measure.