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Vaclav said:
What would they tell the deputies? Maybe something like the shooter had planted bombs in the building that he would detonate if they moved on him, so they should sit tight and wait for a sniper to arrive who could take the guy out before he could press the detonator button? That way they'd be preventing even more casualties by keeping. Unless they were convinced of something like that, the police were depraved to just sit there, orders or no orders.
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Stand down.
 
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Random Internet Person said:
What if the op going wrong was part of the op?
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Highly unlikely. The going wrong bits were organic and would be near-impossible to predict and plan.

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I think that was a NYC apartment. I've seen how small those places are. How anybody could live in such conditions, especially at such a high cost is beyond me.


Why would the feds start a school shooting? In a remote town?
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Two reasons put forward here: A "Fuck it all in" attempt to raise gun laws... something which did in fact occur after, albeit in a severely watered down version. I'd point to there being 10 RINOs on board almost immediately after and against all prediction and expectation as evidence.

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An attempt to federalize police, with the intention being to delay then send in an FBI or other fed operative to end the situation to spur such legislation. Obviously things went wrong and the key element never came to pass if this were the case.

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A reason not yet stated in here. Frankly, speculate away. Its dirty enough I am now pretty formally in "It was a fed op, it doesn't make sense otherwise" based on the logistics and actions, but the reason for it is not something I have enough evidence to settle on.
 
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Vaclav said:
What would they tell the deputies? Maybe something like the shooter had planted bombs in the building that he would detonate if they moved on him, so they should sit tight and wait for a sniper to arrive who could take the guy out before he could press the detonator button? That way they'd be preventing even more casualties by keeping. Unless they were convinced of something like that, the police were depraved to just sit there, orders or no orders.
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Honestly, that makes sense.
 
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Vaclav said:
What would they tell the deputies? Maybe something like the shooter had planted bombs in the building that he would detonate if they moved on him, so they should sit tight and wait for a sniper to arrive who could take the guy out before he could press the detonator button? That way they'd be preventing even more casualties by keeping. Unless they were convinced of something like that, the police were depraved to just sit there, orders or no orders.
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Doesn't have to be so grandiose. Saying the shooter was contained could be enough "Yes there are some wounded, but paramedics are inbound and he is now alone". Followed by just ensuring the on-the-ground deputies are not fed info otherwise.

Yes, there is plenty to contradict it, but such a stand down order would paralyze them between trusting their superior officers word and their own lying eyes. That creates indecision, which would need an inciting incident to counteract.
 
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Gehenna said:
Bolton is... Bolton. He is what I'd refer to as a "principled Opportunist". He will gladly slide the knife in without a second thought if it advances his prospects, but operates with a somewhat loose principled moral code of what lines he will or will not cross.
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Imagine a Reagan Republican whose favorite parts of Reagan's presidency were Iran-Contra and the invasion of Grenada. That's my impression of Bolton.
 
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Anyone have any info on this guy? All i could find out is is a monarchist who is trying to become a anti-CRT grifter. He's been on the killstream a few times. https://archive.ph/f1pqY
Also looks a lot like he may be the bastard son of Neil Cavuto.
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I tried to find polling data from Patrick Basham. All that showed up were 2020 election era articles and the recent article about Trump being wrong about abortion hurting republicans. Barris tweeted about him twice in reference to abortion and the 2020 election.
 
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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
The Inside Man thinks its a Glowie Op.

I meme about sometimes but (unless I see 5 fed looking fuckers standing right in a group) I don't really assume everything is a Glowie...but holy fuck if the guy who does this shit for a living is starting to embrace the meme I dunno what to think is real anymore.

HONK FUCKING HONK.
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Its not uncommon for sites of tragedy to get bulldozed. What marks Uvalde out is the expediency. They announced it -fast-.
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OK, so I'm like 10/10 cynical and paranoid compared to people I know IRL but maybe I'm still naive compared to the farmers here.

Could the fed involvement be somewhat innocent? Like the feds were aware the shooter was unstable and watching him but not ready for the actual event and then things just went sideways? Like the feds weren't actually trading little kids lives for political ends? They just fucked up?

If the feds knew about the guy ahead of time I could see them wanting to eliminate any chance the guy left something in the school that indicated they were in contact with him or something without it meaning that they were actually this psychopathic to let him actually kill some kids.

Or does some of the evidence really point to psychopathic glow?

Don't get me wrong, I'm open to the idea things are really that fucking bad. Until this conversation it just seemed more likely to me that everyone was a fuck up.
 
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OK, so I'm like 10/10 cynical and paranoid compared to people I know IRL but maybe I'm still naive compared to the farmers here.

Could the fed involvement be somewhat innocent? Like the feds were aware the shooter was unstable and watching him but not ready for the actual event and then things just went sideways? Like the feds weren't actually trading little kids lives for political ends? They just fucked up?

If the feds knew about the guy ahead of time I could see them wanting to eliminate any chance the guy left something in the school that indicated they were in contact with him or something without it meaning that they were actually this psychopathic to let him actually kill some kids.

Or does some of the evidence really point to psychopathic glow?

Don't get me wrong, I'm open to the idea things are really that fucking bad. Until this conversation it just seemed more likely to me that everyone was a fuck up.
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Psychopathic glow. The stuff that implies glow op isn't what lead up to Uvalde but the actions of it. Cops doing nothing, paralyzed by orders to not do anything. The rapid nature of the attempts to cover the evidence. The variety of little facts leading to him having clear run of the school. Plus many other elements. They all just add up to a picture where someone outside of Uvalde had a hand in creating the situation. Not just failing to stop it, but active creation.
 
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They don't want equality, they never have. They want Equity. Equity means that a 13 year old rape victim should pay child support to his rapist because that evens out the unfulfilling one night stands the crazy cat lady lawyers pushing for this law had.
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So those retarded Zero Tolerance policies on a massive scale.
 
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So NYC isn't COMPLETELY retarded... just mostly.

There was some memo going around that came from the NYC Law Department that the NYPD was going to stop drug testing (Marijuana specifically) their officers, meaning you'd have cops on duty high as fuck. However, the NYPD made an official statement (a) basically saying "nah, that shit ain't happening and it'll never happen!"
 
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Gehenna said:
Unrelated news: I am increasingly thinking the Uvalde shooting was a fed op that went horribly wrong on every angle.

@Vyse Inglebard Don't normally comment on stickers, but you rate late... yet there -was- little evidence of actual fed stuff instead of police incompetence. But the sheer weight of that incompetence has crossed a threshold to the point it had to be orders from higher up.
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I was not expecting this take from you. I'm kinda middle of the road on terms of Glow Ops. I don't think the Feds actually plan out and set them up, but I think they radicalize people online as an easy way of finding work. Especially radicalizing them in the mindset of types they are politically opposed too. If one falls through the cracks, and carries out violence before they bust them... well then that is a convenient tragedy for them.

I'd be really interested in the details that make you feel like the Feds had a hand in the origination of this one, as I feel like it's a stretch, even for someone that thinks the Feds have a softer hand in radicalizing people to violence(meaning, don't plan out dates/locations/armaments/etc). @ Me in the thread for that if you think it's too off topic for this one. In the last few years the only thing I think reeks of Fed planning is the Las Vegas shooter. If I were to say they were involved in bungling this one, I'd think its more in the "jumped in wanting to capitalize on it, ended up freezing the cops up and making it monumentally worse" than "here's an AR-15, go shoot up the school, we'll set you up with a NEET life style in Federal prison".

EDIT: I'm not opposed to changing the Megathread's title, but can we at least get a (Formerly Joe Biden New Megathread 2) for a week or so. My brain is trained to look for it, I only use the follow threads system with infrequent activity threads, and I keep glossing over it in A&N
 
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