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[Puff]

You're thinking about this all wrong. The only Dems less electable than Hillary are already sitting in the White House

 

[Gehenna]

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I was not expecting this take from you. I'm kinda middle of the road on terms of Glow Ops. I don't think the Feds actually plan out and set them up, but I think they radicalize people online as an easy way of finding work. Especially radicalizing them in the mindset of types they are politically opposed too. If one falls through the cracks, and carries out violence before they bust them... well then that is a convenient tragedy for them.

I'd be really interested in the details that make you feel like the Feds had a hand in the origination of this one, as I feel like it's a stretch, even for someone that thinks the Feds have a softer hand in radicalizing people to violence(meaning, don't plan out dates/locations/armaments/etc). @ Me in the thread for that if you think it's too off topic for this one. In the last few years the only thing I think reeks of Fed planning is the Las Vegas shooter. If I were to say they were involved in bungling this one, I'd think its more in the "jumped in wanting to capitalize on it, ended up freezing the cops up and making it monumentally worse" than "here's an AR-15, go shoot up the school, we'll set you up with a NEET life style in Federal prison".

I don't think they gave him the AR, but lets take each bit section by section to point out why my thoughts have drifted towards it.

First, the oddities:

The shooter: An 18 year old, who just killed several people, knows there are armed officers, should be absolutely high on adrenaline... is sauntering around perfectly calmly. Showing absolutely no signs of stress, excitement, or even disquiet. All reports show he had this trait for the duration. This is, to put it mildly, odd. Now, keep in mind my starting position here was "This had nothing to do with glowies, shut up". So, for any oddity I begin going through a list of explanations. Simple psychopathy? No, his mental profile is a bit unhinged, but shows no signs of a lack of emotional or empathetic capability. Was he numb to it once he did? Possible, but his calm was throughout it. Drugs? Clean tox report. And so on. Nothing explains his utter calm, like he had nothing to fear.

Next the lack of response. We have massive gaps of time of nobody doing anything. A total fuckfest for explanations with multiple provable lies stacked upon lies. Now, my first explanations were simple. A fuck up in the chain of command alongside base cowardice, and an ensuing coverup by the police to not admit they fucked up. Nice, simple, and no longer tenable. If it were merely indecision, they'd not have so forcibly stopped the officer who was in the building, armed, with a dying wife. If it were merely a confused chain of command whoever was just under the top of it would have already been thrown buswards. If it were just an attempt to coverup by the police, said police would not be so forthright on the variety of fuckups. This all paints a picture of a police force which wants to explain what happens, wanted to act, and sure as shit had people who knew what was going on... but did nothing.

Finally, the rapid nature of the coverup. While at first this seems to connect to the first, it has become its own thing. Not even a month out and the place is already announced to be demolished? That should have taken several months of committee meetings, not to mention the sheer number of people who have to sign off on it. The sudden classification of documents only to be given out anyway. The stonewalling off all state level inquiries... and local inquiries. These all do not add up if it was merely a fuckup on the police's part. In fact, these cannot all occur at all if it were only at the local level.

So, the conclusion:

The only reasonable conclusion left if I take these oddities under consideration is;
1: The shooter had some reason to believe himself secure and safe. This reason had to be -substantial- to combat the adrenaline rush he would -have- to be experiencing
2: The police had to be instructed by an outside third party, one higher in position than the highest local officer. If this were not the case, the chain of command would have been confirmed already. That it has not means someone outside of the normal chain was active, and that they continue to be under orders to not say anything.
3: The coverup has to be done by someone A: Outside the locality and B: With sufficient power and authorization to act without input by local officials.

 

[CrippleThreat]

Anyone have any info on this guy? All i could find out is is a monarchist who is trying to become a anti-CRT grifter. He's been on the killstream a few times. https://archive.ph/f1pqY
Also looks a lot like he may be the bastard son of Neil Cavuto.
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I tried to find polling data from Patrick Basham. All that showed up were 2020 election era articles and the recent article about Trump being wrong about abortion hurting republicans. Barris tweeted about him twice in reference to abortion and the 2020 election.

His tweets come up often around Election Twitter. He's an abortion sperg—he has an irritating fixation on how banning abortion will spell doom for the Republicans long-term, and that it should have never been a core issue, even if the base wanted it. Loves Trump unlike Cavuto, but seems to be one of those "political nihilistic intellectuals who support the Orange Man."

They exist, by the way.

Also re: Barnes and Baris on Senate Candidates - A lot of Oz's hatred is akin to DSP; you really have to be online a lot to pick up on his skeletons and start to heavily dislike him. He still has Trump's endorsement up on his website, but everyone is obsessed with his Twitter banner for some reason. He sucks, but he'll be an on the healthcare arguments. Kathy Barnette still refuses to endorse him, so he'll have to rely on Mastriano and Trump to carry his Turkish ass across the line.

Walker has skeletons and gaffes that media loves to pick on him for, but his issue on that is just not being on the ball to speak up for himself against them. So, they build and build up, and his easy win becomes tighter and tighter.

 

[Paul Pelosi's Boyfriend]

Unrelated news: I am increasingly thinking the Uvalde shooting was a fed op that went horribly wrong on every angle.

@Vyse Inglebard Don't normally comment on stickers, but you rate late... yet there -was- little evidence of actual fed stuff instead of police incompetence. But the sheer weight of that incompetence has crossed a threshold to the point it had to be orders from higher up.

I have a feeling that having it go wrong was part of the plan.

 

[Gehenna]

I have a feeling that having it go wrong was part of the plan.

No, as I said the things that went wrong appear to be organic in nature, meaning they'd be hard or even impossible to plan for or set up. Not unless literally everyone was in on it, but that'd not really realistic.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Why aren't proponents of equality in America aware of abhorrent legal cases like this?

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Hermesmann v. Seyer - Wikipedia

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Nobody cares if a woman rapes a man because it's not really a social norm to care about such issues. Besides men are disposable, the vast majority aren't needed for anything other than maybe shit jobs at Walmart and McDonald's. Or rotting in their parents' basements in a NEET lifestyle.

 

[Paul Pelosi's Boyfriend]

No, as I said the things that went wrong appear to be organic in nature, meaning they'd be hard or even impossible to plan for or set up. Not unless literally everyone was in on it, but that'd not really realistic.

Lots of people are in on it. People you'd never expect.

But I'm just a humble internet troll who dindu nuffin

 

[whatever I feel like]

He sucks, but he'll be an on the healthcare arguments. Kathy Barnette still refuses to endorse him, so he'll have to rely on Mastriano and Trump to carry his Turkish ass across the line.

The only thing Mastriano is capable of carrying anyone's campaign off to is hell. Republicans had terrible fields for both races in the state this year while Democrats had really good ones.

 

[Gehenna]

Lots of people are in on it. People you'd never expect.

But I'm just a humble internet troll who dindu nuffin

By everyone I mean down to and including the staff of the school. There comes a point where the conspiracy would be too large to really wok.

 

[Paul Pelosi's Boyfriend]

Yeah I doubt the teachers were aware that anything was about to happen considering they all showed up to work.

 

[Hallucinogenic Penguin]

Holy shit I forgot about that. I was pretty sure they had pedo tunnels like that one preschool after that bit of news

Wait what? Pedo Tunnels?

 

[OrangeJuliusEvola]

Psychopathic glow. The stuff that implies glow op isn't what lead up to Uvalde but the actions of it. Cops doing nothing, paralyzed by orders to not do anything. The rapid nature of the attempts to cover the evidence. The variety of little facts leading to him having clear run of the school. Plus many other elements. They all just add up to a picture where someone outside of Uvalde had a hand in creating the situation. Not just failing to stop it, but active creation.

Okay, here's what gets me from watching the footage.
I can understand them not breaking the "stand down" order. Chain of command is chain of command, you follow those orders even if they're stupid, retarded, and it goes against every fiber of your being because the training you receive is as much to make you a willing Milgram Experiment subject turning the dial all the way up as it is to fire your weapon , take point and all that other stuff.

What gets me is that these guys are not acting like trained people on the front line of an active shooting/barricade situation, complete with sounds of screaming children and gunfire in the background. I mean, watch the plethora of cop badge cam footage on youtube. Even the most trained cop is amped the fuck up on adrenaline, and acting in such a manner in that kind of dynamic situation. You're not milling about, you're not concerned about shit like checking your phone or disinfecting your hands (BTW, the phone guy's wife was in the school and a casualty). Any dialog between officers would likely be sharp and body language tense.

It's just utterly fucking bizarre how relaxed they are. Almost inhuman.

 

[Puff]

Wait what? Pedo Tunnels?

A big Satanic Panic case back in the day. McMartin preschool was alleged to have tunnels leading everywhere for satanic rape rituals. Seems to be mostly bad interrogation techniques used on little kids.

 

[Gehenna]

Okay, here's what gets me from watching the footage.
I can understand them not breaking the "stand down" order. Chain of command is chain of command, you follow those orders even if they're stupid, retarded, and it goes against every fiber of your being because the training you receive is as much to make you a willing Milgram Experiment subject turning the dial all the way up as it is to fire your weapon , take point and all that other stuff.

What gets me is that these guys are not acting like trained people on the front line of an active shooting/barricade situation, complete with sounds of screaming children and gunfire in the background. I mean, watch the plethora of cop badge cam footage on youtube. Even the most trained cop is amped the fuck up on adrenaline, and acting in such a manner in that kind of dynamic situation. You're not milling about, you're not concerned about shit like checking your phone or disinfecting your hands (BTW, the phone guy's wife was in the school and a casualty). Any dialog between officers would likely be sharp and body language tense.

It's just utterly fucking bizarre how relaxed they are. Almost inhuman.

Phone guy is the one who proceeded to try to get in and was forcibly removed and disarmed. The phone he was checking was him getting a message from his wife saying she was dying.

But other than that one, yes. Like they were told everything was totally fine, no need to rush, -stand the fuck down-.

 

[Ebonic Tutor]

So those retarded Zero Tolerance policies on a massive scale.

Equality = Equal Opprotunity, where as Equity = Equal Outcome.

A big Satanic Panic case back in the day. McMartin preschool was alleged to have tunnels leading everywhere for satanic rape rituals. Seems to be mostly bad interrogation techniques used on little kids.

Layouts to the tunnels are in the FBI documents on The Finders.

 

[OrangeJuliusEvola]

The only reasonable conclusion left if I take these oddities under consideration is;
1: The shooter had some reason to believe himself secure and safe. This reason had to be -substantial- to combat the adrenaline rush he would -have- to be experiencing
2: The police had to be instructed by an outside third party, one higher in position than the highest local officer. If this were not the case, the chain of command would have been confirmed already. That it has not means someone outside of the normal chain was active, and that they continue to be under orders to not say anything.
3: The coverup has to be done by someone A: Outside the locality and B: With sufficient power and authorization to act without input by local officials.

The calmness of the shooter isn't very odd to me. It's something that's been noted in many other active shooter situations. Why that happens? Not too sure, but I figure it's because it's a death ride thing, the same way many suicide folks are utterly calm and emotionless as they step off a high building. The relative calmness of the officers on the other hand.

Also, what's with the physical school facility that necessitates them trying to bulldoze it ASAP? Cover up of some sort of sabotage that made it easier for the shooter to gain access?

Part of me also wanted to wonder what kind of fucking idiot would think giving an unhinged person a weapon and goading them into a mass shooting would somehow be something where you'd have a very controllable outcome, but then, nowadays, it's fucking idiots all the way down in our government.

 

[SeniorFuckFace]

was him getting a message from his wife saying she was dying.

Jfc

 

[Ruin]

Okay, here's what gets me from watching the footage.
I can understand them not breaking the "stand down" order. Chain of command is chain of command, you follow those orders even if they're stupid, retarded, and it goes against every fiber of your being because the training you receive is as much to make you a willing Milgram Experiment subject turning the dial all the way up as it is to fire your weapon , take point and all that other stuff.

What gets me is that these guys are not acting like trained people on the front line of an active shooting/barricade situation, complete with sounds of screaming children and gunfire in the background. I mean, watch the plethora of cop badge cam footage on youtube. Even the most trained cop is amped the fuck up on adrenaline, and acting in such a manner in that kind of dynamic situation. You're not milling about, you're not concerned about shit like checking your phone or disinfecting your hands (BTW, the phone guy's wife was in the school and a casualty). Any dialog between officers would likely be sharp and body language tense.

It's just utterly fucking bizarre how relaxed they are. Almost inhuman.

This is a little conspiratorial for my tastes but I've seen some people say that looking at their body language and positioning it almost seems like they were guarding the exterior of the classrooms and hallway not to rescue kids but to prevent anyone form interfering with the shooter.

 

[SeniorFuckFace]

Equality = Equal Opprotunity, where as Equity = Equal Outcome.



Layouts to the tunnels are in the FBI documents on The Finders.

https://vault.fbi.gov/the-finders

 

[MirrorNoir]

I used to watch him before he moved to Current, I guess the reason he left MSNBC was Maddow fucked him over somehow? What was Current's problem with him?

Posted this in another thread when the subject came up so I'll just copypaste it:

Keith's downfall is a long story, but the cliff notes version is this:

He got caught breaking one of the rules at MSNBC (you can't make secret off-the-books campaign contributions to politicians) and got suspended. Then his father suffered a major health crisis and he had to take time off to deal with that, as his father's condition then took a turn for the worse and he died. Keith was given bereavement time off, but immediately started milking MSNBC producers over it to miss work. This was in part due to the butt-hurt over getting suspended but also, due to the fact that A. Keith had gone to bat to get Cenk and the Young Turks a show on MSNBC only for Cenk to fuck it up and get blackballed from appearing on the network ever again and Keith taking Cenk's side in the debacle and B. Rachel Maddow, who was Keith's fill-in host, was given her own show only for Keith to kind of kneecap Rachels' ratings by constantly taking time off, which pissed Rachel and certain network suits off.

The last part was the big one, as MSNBC had a shift in management shortly after Rachel got her own show (the previous management didn't want Rachel to have a show but Keith went to bat for her getting it) and the new management was pro-Rachel Maddow and more to the point, came to the conclusion that Rachel was a safer bet than Keith, who was by that point constantly missing work (which in turn caused ratings to collapse on the prime time line-up) and demanding MSNBC pay money out for the right to read short stories of major authors on the Friday editions of his show.

The new management finally said "fuck that shit" and fired Keith. Keith recovered slightly in that the then rebranded network Current TV, run by Al Gore, offered to give him a new show as their flagship but he fucked that up because Gore screwed him over on the budget of his show and he started missing work, leading to them firing him and Current TV crashing as a result within about six months.

The last bit basically killed Olbermann's "legit" news career and he had to crawl back to ESPN. Keith is basically blackballed from MSNBC so long as Rachel is there and CNN ALMOST hired him when Trump got elected but backed off because they feared that he would be too fucking psychotic in his anti-Trump rantings even for CNN at the time. And it's been joked that his Youtube channekl was funded by Obama era agitprop money, which is why it abruptly ended (IE the money ran out).

He's basically an example of a guy who had it ALL then lost it due to arrogance and hubris.

I'll also add that Rachel still fucking despises Keith's guts to the point that when Rachel used her recent contract negotiations to fuck off and only do her show when breaking news she feels like covering happens, which led to the entire prime time line up's ratings crashing and burning like it did; there was serious talk about bringing Keith Olbermann back and give him the 9PM show. Rachel found out that Keith was in the process of sneaking back into the vineyard and killed the deal DOA citing the fact that she had veto power over whoever got her prime time slot if they chose to pick a permanent replacement (as they had a rotating collection of people hosting it until that point) and then made it explicitly clear to MSNBC, that Keith would never come back to MSNBC so long as she was around in terms of making it explicit that she would walk away from NBC-Universal in a heartbeat if Keith got his old job back.