Mike Peinovich / Mike Enoch & The Right Stuff (therightstuff.biz) - Lazy Podcasting Clique, Pepe the Frog Fetishists, Doxed by /pol/, Fed Honeypot for Gullible Neo-Nazi Conspiracy Theorists.

[Ronnie Leibowitz]

Literal spiteful mutant lmao. Miscegenation not even once.

 

[NSJAP]

 

[History Speaks]

re the pizzagate video - This is one move from them I do not understand. They aggressively police conspiracy theories on the Right yet they themselves are promoting conspiracy theories about Jews, like how a secret Jewish plot to undermine white people, and not the desire of men to masturbate while watching attractive women, is the major driving force behind the pornography industry.

Wikipedia - the go-too site for normies seeking biographical information about people - defines Mike in the first line as a "Neo nazi anti-semitic conspiracy theorist."

Mike's fans will disagree with how the wiki is written - even I, an opponent of his politics and his race hatreds, concede that there is an obvious editorializing effort by wikipedia to portray him as a kook rather than simply convey biographical information about him. But they cannot deny that it it is how the mainstream depicts him. It is strange that he and Striker playing into an anti-conspiracy theory discourse that has marginalized them personally.

 

[Ronnie Leibowitz]

Jews, like how a secret Jewish plot to undermine white people, and not the desire of men to masturbate while watching attractive women, is the major driving force behind the pornography industry.

Uh you know Jews themselves brag about their central role in creating the modern porn industry. And literally all of the board members of the shell corporation that owns pornhub are jewish. the one thing i'll agree with you on is that TRS gate keeps other conspiracy theories for fear of losing influence.

 

[History Speaks]

Uh you know Jews themselves brag about their central role in creating the modern porn industry. And literally all of the board members of the shell corporation that owns pornhub are jewish.

It is completely implausible and ridiculous to suggest that the regular demand for porn among billions of men - which is what causes the industry to be so big - is the product of a Jewish plot to undermine white people, rather than a project of human weakness and the drive for more and better sexual pleasure.

This is part of why I feel sorry for you guys. You do not realize how ridiculous your arguments sound to normal people, even to racists.

 

[Ronnie Leibowitz]

It is, in my view, completely implausible and ridiculous to suggest that the regular demand for porn among billions of men - which is what causes the industry to be so big

It's not about the demand. It's about the supply. People apparently have an unquenchable desire to OD on opiates. Does that means it's okay for the people who just happen to be in mangegerial poisitions to keep supplying them? Also the idea that media doesn't create new desires is ridiculous. If that were true companies wouldn't spend billions of dollars convincing people to desire products they previously had no interest in.

 

[History Speaks]

It's not about the demand. It's about the supply. People apparently have an unquenchable desire to OD on opiates. Does that means it's okay for the people who just happen to be in mangegerial poisitions to keep supplying them? Also the idea that media doesn't create new desires is ridiculous. If that were true companies wouldn't spend billions of dollars convincing people to desire products they previously had no interest in.

The male desire to see attractive women in sensual poses is not one that "the media" created, I assure you.

 

[Ronnie Leibowitz]

The male desire to see attractive women in sensual poses is not one that "the media" created, I assure you.

I never said that it was. I don't know what point your trying to make. Men liked to see attractive women in the past in real life, therefore the modern porn industry is fine is a non-sequitur.

 

[History Speaks]

I never said that it was. I don't know what point your trying to make. Men liked to see attractive women in the past in real life, therefore the modern porn industry is fine is a non-sequitur.

In the past in the West, prostitution was much more common and normalized among young men. The reason for the higher demand for prostitution was that there was no pornography (at least not in the form we know it), and little opportunity to have sex with random women, since virginity until marriage was expected for them (although not for men).

Pornography is kind of a substitute for prostitution in the contemporary world, as a commercialized form of largely male sexual gratification without emotional commitment. Of course prostitution is still a thing, but the majority of unmarried (and married) men in the West today have never engaged in it, because they can watch pornography or have sex with random, willing women, who are no longer stigmatized out of having premarital sex.

Pornography is not a Jewish plot but an easy way to satisfy a natural and intense urge. There may be moral problems with pornography - I have not looked into the allegations against Pornhub, but from what hear they are quite monstrous. However, the guilt for sustaining this industry is something for whihc the overwhelming majority of men as well as a great deal of women - who provide the demand for this industry - bear responsibility, not "the Jews."

 

[cistendered]

This is part of why I feel sorry for you guys. You do not realize how ridiculous your arguments sound to normal people, even to racists.

Oh no my self esteem will never recover from the idea that literal racial mongrels don’t approve of my political beliefs. How will I ever live with myself knowing that the Big Normie (which is a totally real thing that definitely exists) thinks hating jewish power is icky.

 

[Ronnie Leibowitz]

In the past in the West, prostitution was much more common and normalized among young men. The reason for the higher demand for prostitution was that there was no pornography (at least not in the form we know it), and little opportunity to have sex with random women, since virginity until marriage was expected for them (although not for men).

Pornography is kind of a substitute for prostitution in the contemporary world, as a commercialized form of largely male sexual gratification without emotional commitment. Of course prostitution is still a thing, but the majority of unmarried (and married) men in the West today have never engaged in it, because they can watch pornography or have sex with random women, who are no longer stigmatized out of having premarital sex.

Pornography is not a Jewish plot but an easy way to satisfy a natural and intense urge. There may be moral problems with pornography, but this is something the overwhelming majority of men and a great deal of women - who provide the demand for this industry - bear responsibility for, not "the Jews."

You're acting like porn just appeared out of nowhere. New technologies don't just emerge. They are created, legally protected, and promoted by specific people. And in the case of pornography, these people are Jews. Photography has existed since the 19th century but hardcore pornography didn't come into existence until the mid 20th century post World War II. There is no reason to assume that pornography was an inevitable outgrowth of the male sex drive in European nations.

 

[History Speaks]

Oh no my self esteem will never recover from the idea that literal racial mongrels don’t approve of my political beliefs. How will I ever live with myself knowing that the Big Normie (which is a totally real thing that definitely exists) thinks hating jewish power is icky.

I was not calling your beliefs wicked or icky. I was calling them ridiculous and laughable.

There are many reasons I adamantly oppose criminalizing or even censoring neo-nazis. One is that their arguments are so unpersuasive to normal people.

 

[Ronnie Leibowitz]

One is that their arguments are so unpersuasive to normal people.

If that were true, the governments of European nations and increasingly the United States wouldn't go to such lengths to criminalize national socialist beliefs. Now that I think about it, debating the Holocaust or Jewish power with someone who lives in Germany is completely pointless as you are not allowed to conceded any points to the other side under thread of imprisonment.

 

[cistendered]

There are many reasons I adamantly oppose criminalizing or even censoring neo-nazis. One is that their arguments are so unpersuasive to normal people.

No one cares what you think, you hold no power. What do your jewish friends think about the censoring of White National Socialist political speech, and what do their fellow tribesmen think?

 

[History Speaks]

If that were true, the goverenments of European nations and increasingly the United States wouldn't go to such lengths to criminalize national socialist beliefs.

I think the fear motivating criminalization of Nazis is more that you will snap and murder people than that you will take over politically.

That said, I disagree with the decision of various governments to criminalize nazi larping. I do not deny that political extremists can commit violent crimes - but being an extremist is not the same as being a violent criminal. Moreover, I believe that driving neonazis and other extremists underground, onto the dark web and 8chan, further radicalizes them. Whereas if they had the opportunity to engage with people who do not share their views, that could deradicalize them over time.

Society should try to engage neonazis and understand why they are feeling alienated. I will go further, the young men who join these groups often have good reason for feeling alienated. While Nazi live-action role-playing is worthy of contempt, the Nazis themselves should be given an off ramp and a way to repudiate their views, instead of being permanently stigmatized.

The current liberal policy of hating these people forever, practically calling for their murder, is not a sustainable or humane one.

 

[Ronnie Leibowitz]

I am saying that this is not the fear. I am saying instead that you are criminalized because people think you are a threat to go off and murder people at Wal Mart, rather than a threat to win at the ballot box.

Which simply isn't true. White people are statistically underrepresented in all forms of crime to include spree shootings.

 

[Punchoboe]

I do not see how my analysis of his collaboration with the Jewish wife on TRS is not compelling. Again, I would like to hear arguments as to why that is different than my KKK hypothetical, where the "trad white nationalist" wife hides her black husband under a sheet.

Mike is wrong about many things but it is wrong to write him off as a fraud, out for money, or merely duplicitous. His story is far more interesting than that.

Mike genuinely believes most of the things he says about his Manichaean war with Jews. His arguments, however bizarre they wind up, are too extensive just to be faking for attention. Moreover, he wouldn't be able to carry on for hours at a time, four days a week, otherwise.

The apparent paradox is that Mike makes it appear that he only learned about Jewish controversies online in the last decade. Yet he is a New Yorker who, if not half-Jewish himself, was embedded into the community by marriage.

He trolled himself into it with his "agree and amplify" debating strategy that boxed him in. At first, it was just rhetoric. Then the doxing, Charlotteville and the legal issues that followed pushed him into a corner. Not only that, he can't make a living other than as a professional Nazi apologist. He must wear the plastic Stahlhelm for the rest of his life.

(Whether or not bitterness over losing his wife plays into this is unknown. It sounds like he married Ames Friedman in good faith and was deeply hurt when she left. If he were wise, he would have abandoned politics and podcasting to focus on keeping his family together, but now it is too late for that.)

The result is that Mike plays the role for secular and Reform Judaism that Anton LaVey was for Christians. He accepts his opponents' worldviews and plays the villain in their narrative. Thus Jews are the chosen people (except he sees them as programmed to subvert), and the path of history leads to the Holocaust (which for him is just a story) that becomes the basis of the postwar order. He defends the Palestinians who have no use for him, just to offend Jewish people. He oddly agrees with the liberal Rabbinical reading of the Bible as less about religion is about Jewish identity. For lack of a better term, Mike is playing devil's advocate,

With Willis Carto gone, Mike is the most interesting character on the American far right.

 

[History Speaks]

Which simply isn't true. White people are statistically underrepresented in all forms of crime to include spree shootings.

Bro how can you delete your post and then respond to my post which I deleted because I was responding to your deleted post.

Regarding your point - 1) I am not talking about white people as such, only neo nazis as a sub group. 2) I am describing the perception that neo nazis are dangerous. I do not know what their actual crime rate is.

Anecdotally it seems as if there are a lot of criminals in neonazi communities, but I would need actual statistics to make a serious assessment.

 

[mrolonzo]

The male desire to see attractive women in sensual poses is not one that "the media" created, I assure you.

I must say I do enjoy your contributions. Your last big post to me was a treat.

I noticed your wish to deal with the death book of Auschwitz. Does that include all the other Auschwitz death books too?


It currently looks however, that while Mike probably has indeed insulted you in passing for the most part he's ignoring you until a time of his choosing that he has said is equal to the time you took yourself. And in return you've arrived here to start indulging in insult and invective in the hope of creating such rancorous discourse that further debate will be postponed indefinitely.

If I were you, and truly wanted debate with revisionists I would completely ignore all insult - we know that insults are fundamentally worth absolutely nothing, even from us. And if you simply ask to be treated with respect. You will be.


In any case on the kike wife thing. Ive already said they were being edgy at the time. What exactly did you think that meant? It means what it says on the tin ; Do jokes about Jews in ovens whether or not you mean it.

She indeed participated in this. He was indeed fully aware of this. Fact is. Every single one of them was a racist libertarian enjoying the wild west days of the internet. They'd all been that way already for years. So yeeeaahh. It does work.

As for conspiracy theories about pizzagate. What do you think the holocaust is? It's a theory that the Nazis conspired to commit history's greatest mass murder under the cover of war time and then disappeared every gassed body. And you of all people have a problem with conspiracies and conspiracy theories? Strike and Mike will entertain theories that fit in their broad framework of history. As most people do.

Jews in porn? It's simple. Read Kevin McDonald's work. Or Andrew Joyce even. Or Thomas Dalton.

 

[Ronnie Leibowitz]

Anecdotally it seems as if there are a lot of criminals in neonazi communities, but I would need actual statistics to make a serious assessment.

There are a lot of prisoners who join neo-Nazi gangs inside of prison. The question is whether or not these gangs are ideologically committed to national socialism as such, or rather they are a proxy for racial community to provide protection in prison.