So look here's the deal. My associate and I are hard at work. I'd say 95 - 99% of all the hardcore material out there comes from 2 VOs, 2 different and rival groups, and 3 group leaders. There are other rising VOs out there making moves and competing to be the most brutal. I know the name of 1 VO and I know the other VO's channel name. I've positively identified 2 of the group leaders and partially the 3rd. Give me and my partner some time to organize the evidence and we will post it. You all have been dealing with mostly clearnet evidence. Youtube, Facebook, etc. You don't have the evidence you can only obtain on Telegram. This isn't to minimize your efforts, it's just you weren't on the inside. You didn't gain these people's trust.