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I’ve considered adding his current and former fan base but there’s a lot of ground to cover and I’m not sure where to start when it comes to his fans. They’ve been on George to finish the series since the early 2000s. There’s a ton of drama with commentary channels too, but I’m not sure who’d be best to include. I’ve also debated whether or not to include D&D as well.
This is wip, but I’ve been working on it for a while and rewritten it a few times. Any help would be appreciated.
@LORD IMPERATOR has helped me with the OP.
George RR Martin is famous for his fantasy book series that was adapted into a tv show. The series was widely a hit and significantly increased his book sales. GRRM shortly after was highly regarded by fantasy fans and normies everywhere. GRRM was riding high, getting book signings, interviews, and rolling in all that sweet, sweet, merchandising dough. This thread will discuss George’s lolcow antics.
GRRM was once held to be the “American Tolkien.” Autists everywhere once debated who truly was the king of fantasy. Many were convinced that George had finally dethroned Tolkien as the premier fantasy author. For a time, Game of Thrones was unavoidable. Even if you had no interest in the shows, people wouldn’t shut up about it at the water cooler and online. Merchandise of it was everywhere. YouTube’s algorithm would push GoT fan channels. And George Martin became a household name, even for those that never read fantasy.
Today there is no debate. The show has been forgotten. GoT fan base has shrunken and fractured. GoT merchandise has been relegated to the discount bin. The bandwagon consumers have moved on to other IPs to champion.
How could a book series, a tv show, reach such heights before crashing and burning in such a spectacular manner?
The fault can be attributed to three men but mostly the author George RR Martin.
This journey can be viewed in this forum’s own GoT discussion thread. Countless other threads exist in any other forums.
George’s Humble Beginnings
The man most responsible for GoT existence is George RR Martin. He is to GoT what George Lucas is to Star Wars. He is the most responsible for GoT rise and fall.
George was born to Raymond and Margaret Martin. Fittingly, George grew up in a family with its own secrets. George believed he was a ¼ Italian but after having his DNA tested he discovered he was ¼ Jewish.
In his youth, Martin didn’t travel much. He lived in a government project for a time and his mother was still bitter about the loss of their construction business during the Great Depression. This led George to reading and writing as a form of escapism.
He would try to sell his stories to other children for pennies. They’d also like his dramatic readings. More importantly we can see some patterns which would spell disaster in the future. George wrote fantasy tales about his pet turtles. When they died, which they did frequently, he’d think they were killed by the other turtles’ “sinister plots.” A far more entertaining answer then neglect. Sadly, by his own admission many of these plots became “endless stories” that he choose not to finish because they didn’t turn out as he imagined.
In High School George was enthralled by comic books. He’s stated that “Stan Lee is the greatest literary influence on me, even more than Shakespeare or Tolkien.” He’d go on to write fan fiction for Marvel. He attended the first Comic Con in 1964 and even won a fan fiction award in 1965. In 1970 George would earn a bachelors in journalism, which is reflected in the quality of his historical research. That same year he would pen his first work The Hero. It won a Hugo and Nebula award. He’d publish his first novel in 1976 but didn’t make enough to become a full time writer.
For a time he worked as a chess referee but eventually landed a professor position. George would go on to teach English and journalism.
After a death of a friend made George re-evaluate his life, he moved to Santa Fe New Mexico, where he resides to this day. His writing career really took off and much of his focus was on “sci-fi horror.” This was due in no small part in response to a critic that stated the two genres were incompatible.
George would pen a vampire novel which was received well. In Fever Dream vampires were a separate species that evolved from humanity, in a similar vein to Marvels mutants. Another horror novel called the Armageddon Rag was a disaster and it’s low sales made George consider changing his career altogether. Despite its failure there was an attempt to make it into a film. Even though a film didn’t materialize, George made connections which let him get a writing gig for CBS, specifically with the well received The Twilight Zone (1984).
He would oversee and write a multi-author series called Wild Cards. The series came about as George slacked for a year in 1983. He was enthusiastically dming a super hero rpg. Upon realizing his funds were running low he scrambled to find a way to make cash. Then he realized that his rpg with other authors wasn’t for nought and turned it into its own series. He would continue to write shows as they were more profitable than books.
In 1991 George felt an incredible itch. A vision. This would result in the series A Song of Ice & Fire. A Game of Thrones would be published 5 years later in 1996. He’d follow it up with A Clash of Kings (199
, A Storm of Swords (2000), and then A Feast For Crows (2005). Feast would become a best seller and it’s success would get the attention of HBO. In 2007 they finalized a deal to get the film rights.
HBO would tap two young gentlemen named Dave & Daniel. The pair would go on to be known as D&D. Foreshadowing future events, their initial pilot was a complete train wreck, nearly aborting the series before it began. Due to George’s experience in film writing, he would personally step in to assist D&D. Together the three managed to reshoot the pilot.
This unfortunately would distract George from focusing on his series. Still 2011 was a good year for George. His series went live on HBO, attracting a whole new audience to his work, and thereby increasing his sales across the board. This can be seen in particular with A Dance with Dragons, which quickly outpaced Feast For Crows. The series would go on to be nominated for 13 Emmys and would win two of them.
Season 2 would only build on that success, this time winning 6 Emmys and a Hugo award. At this point GoT seemed poised to topple Lord of Rings once and for all. And yet trouble was brewing in Paradise…
George’s Meteoric Rise
The rights to GoT were purchased by HBO in 2007. A full two years after A Feast For Crows but a whole four years before the next entry would be published. If Feast For Crows was a person, it would be able to legally consent in New Mexico this year, the state which GRRM resides in.
The plan for the series was simple. D&D would base each season off a book. Each season would have 10 episodes. Surely by 2011 George would have most of the series finished, so that D&D would have enough material to work with.
As George’s fame grew, he enjoyed the spotlight and the money. Perhaps a little too much. He would find himself on panels, signing autographs, ever increasing book sales, and lauded as king of the nerds.
He spent some time reading forums, posting on his blog aptly titled Not A Blog, Tweeting, engaging his friends on Facebook, and a million other things a neckbeard would do if he was rich and famous.
With promises of “I’m working on it!” George affirmed that the series was on its way to being completed. As the show came closer and closer to the books, Richard Plepler the CEO of HBO, concerns multiplied exponentially.
As Season 5 of GoT premiered in 2015, an increasing number of fans became concerned. There was a notable drop in quality of the shows writing. This could be largely attributed to GRRM no longer writing episodes as well as the show running out of material. From here on out D&D could no longer expect the nerd to do their homework for them. They’d have to do what George couldn’t: Write a satisfying and concise ending to the well beloved franchise.
With each season, the show’s detractors grew louder. Executive’s grew concerned that perhaps their golden goose may be running out of eggs. Season 6 less well received than Season 5. And Season 7 less than Season 6. Although the excitement grew regarding the conclusion there was a palpable sense of dread. The actors seemed less enthusiastic and leaked scripts were a cause of great concern.
The Catalyclsmic End
Despite the growing chorus of concern, Season 8 was initially welcomed by the unwashed masses. Hype was building for the grand clash of the white walkers and the north. The journey of the last season can be seen perfectly in this graph of Rotten Tomato reviews lifted from Wikipedia:
Ultimately GoT is George’s responsibility and his unwillingness to help write the rest of the series let alone episodes is why GoT crashed and burned. He doesn’t even have the excuse of not being an editor or being incapable of overseeing ghost writers. George is a professional editor and has overseen and edited the Wild Cards series. He is fully capable of doing the same with GoT. He even has experience writing and editing TV shows, so GoT, his IP should not have imploded like it did.
Why hasn’t he then?
Autism basically. He claims he likes to nurture his characters and story like a gardener or a dungeon master. Which is a nice way of saying he’s winging it. He’s painted himself into a corner but he’s too prideful to admit it. Even when he has everything on the line, his name, his fame, and his fortune, he can’t be half assed to do even a half assed job.
Furthermore, he has a thing against fan fiction, which is understandable considering how shitty much of it is. Still, it’s funny that he of all people would take such a hard stance against fan fiction considering that’s how he started. Imagine if Stan Lee had the same stance against fan fiction that he did. Some have theorized that the reason he is opposed to fan fiction and to ghost writers, is because it’d hurt his pride if he felt someone else wrote a better ending than he did.
At the end of the day he has more in common with Christian Weston Chandler than Tolkien. George continues to post incessantly online, go to conventions when he shouldn’t, milk his orbiters, post letters with personal information sent to him by fans, fight internet trolls, waste money on autistic cape shit, fap to incestious fan art, and anything but actually write the series he promised to finish. As he continues to do nothing, his legacy, his profits, and his reputation continues to tank.
Crazy Fans:
The GoT fandom has cringey fans and haters. One of them, The Dragon Demands, has a thread already here made by @AnyballLecter. He oddly hates David Benioff specifically. @Simply Outplayed-HD summarized him thus:
This video here goes over some of the bat shit insane fan theories. Thanks @RandallBoggs for sharing it here, I had a good laugh. There’s a lot more funny content out there.
This is wip, but I’ve been working on it for a while and rewritten it a few times. Any help would be appreciated.
@LORD IMPERATOR has helped me with the OP.
George RR Martin is famous for his fantasy book series that was adapted into a tv show. The series was widely a hit and significantly increased his book sales. GRRM shortly after was highly regarded by fantasy fans and normies everywhere. GRRM was riding high, getting book signings, interviews, and rolling in all that sweet, sweet, merchandising dough. This thread will discuss George’s lolcow antics.
GRRM was once held to be the “American Tolkien.” Autists everywhere once debated who truly was the king of fantasy. Many were convinced that George had finally dethroned Tolkien as the premier fantasy author. For a time, Game of Thrones was unavoidable. Even if you had no interest in the shows, people wouldn’t shut up about it at the water cooler and online. Merchandise of it was everywhere. YouTube’s algorithm would push GoT fan channels. And George Martin became a household name, even for those that never read fantasy.
Today there is no debate. The show has been forgotten. GoT fan base has shrunken and fractured. GoT merchandise has been relegated to the discount bin. The bandwagon consumers have moved on to other IPs to champion.
How could a book series, a tv show, reach such heights before crashing and burning in such a spectacular manner?
The fault can be attributed to three men but mostly the author George RR Martin.
This journey can be viewed in this forum’s own GoT discussion thread. Countless other threads exist in any other forums.
George’s Humble Beginnings
The man most responsible for GoT existence is George RR Martin. He is to GoT what George Lucas is to Star Wars. He is the most responsible for GoT rise and fall.
George was born to Raymond and Margaret Martin. Fittingly, George grew up in a family with its own secrets. George believed he was a ¼ Italian but after having his DNA tested he discovered he was ¼ Jewish.
In his youth, Martin didn’t travel much. He lived in a government project for a time and his mother was still bitter about the loss of their construction business during the Great Depression. This led George to reading and writing as a form of escapism.
He would try to sell his stories to other children for pennies. They’d also like his dramatic readings. More importantly we can see some patterns which would spell disaster in the future. George wrote fantasy tales about his pet turtles. When they died, which they did frequently, he’d think they were killed by the other turtles’ “sinister plots.” A far more entertaining answer then neglect. Sadly, by his own admission many of these plots became “endless stories” that he choose not to finish because they didn’t turn out as he imagined.
In High School George was enthralled by comic books. He’s stated that “Stan Lee is the greatest literary influence on me, even more than Shakespeare or Tolkien.” He’d go on to write fan fiction for Marvel. He attended the first Comic Con in 1964 and even won a fan fiction award in 1965. In 1970 George would earn a bachelors in journalism, which is reflected in the quality of his historical research. That same year he would pen his first work The Hero. It won a Hugo and Nebula award. He’d publish his first novel in 1976 but didn’t make enough to become a full time writer.
For a time he worked as a chess referee but eventually landed a professor position. George would go on to teach English and journalism.
After a death of a friend made George re-evaluate his life, he moved to Santa Fe New Mexico, where he resides to this day. His writing career really took off and much of his focus was on “sci-fi horror.” This was due in no small part in response to a critic that stated the two genres were incompatible.
George would pen a vampire novel which was received well. In Fever Dream vampires were a separate species that evolved from humanity, in a similar vein to Marvels mutants. Another horror novel called the Armageddon Rag was a disaster and it’s low sales made George consider changing his career altogether. Despite its failure there was an attempt to make it into a film. Even though a film didn’t materialize, George made connections which let him get a writing gig for CBS, specifically with the well received The Twilight Zone (1984).
He would oversee and write a multi-author series called Wild Cards. The series came about as George slacked for a year in 1983. He was enthusiastically dming a super hero rpg. Upon realizing his funds were running low he scrambled to find a way to make cash. Then he realized that his rpg with other authors wasn’t for nought and turned it into its own series. He would continue to write shows as they were more profitable than books.
In 1991 George felt an incredible itch. A vision. This would result in the series A Song of Ice & Fire. A Game of Thrones would be published 5 years later in 1996. He’d follow it up with A Clash of Kings (199
, A Storm of Swords (2000), and then A Feast For Crows (2005). Feast would become a best seller and it’s success would get the attention of HBO. In 2007 they finalized a deal to get the film rights.HBO would tap two young gentlemen named Dave & Daniel. The pair would go on to be known as D&D. Foreshadowing future events, their initial pilot was a complete train wreck, nearly aborting the series before it began. Due to George’s experience in film writing, he would personally step in to assist D&D. Together the three managed to reshoot the pilot.
This unfortunately would distract George from focusing on his series. Still 2011 was a good year for George. His series went live on HBO, attracting a whole new audience to his work, and thereby increasing his sales across the board. This can be seen in particular with A Dance with Dragons, which quickly outpaced Feast For Crows. The series would go on to be nominated for 13 Emmys and would win two of them.
Season 2 would only build on that success, this time winning 6 Emmys and a Hugo award. At this point GoT seemed poised to topple Lord of Rings once and for all. And yet trouble was brewing in Paradise…
George’s Meteoric Rise
The rights to GoT were purchased by HBO in 2007. A full two years after A Feast For Crows but a whole four years before the next entry would be published. If Feast For Crows was a person, it would be able to legally consent in New Mexico this year, the state which GRRM resides in.
The plan for the series was simple. D&D would base each season off a book. Each season would have 10 episodes. Surely by 2011 George would have most of the series finished, so that D&D would have enough material to work with.
As George’s fame grew, he enjoyed the spotlight and the money. Perhaps a little too much. He would find himself on panels, signing autographs, ever increasing book sales, and lauded as king of the nerds.
He spent some time reading forums, posting on his blog aptly titled Not A Blog, Tweeting, engaging his friends on Facebook, and a million other things a neckbeard would do if he was rich and famous.
With promises of “I’m working on it!” George affirmed that the series was on its way to being completed. As the show came closer and closer to the books, Richard Plepler the CEO of HBO, concerns multiplied exponentially.
A Winter Garden (Archive)
Thanks, New Zealand (Archive)
About Those Spin-offs
And many many more posts exactly like this.
Thanks, New Zealand (Archive)
About Those Spin-offs
And many many more posts exactly like this.
Fanboying (Archive)
Words for our times
Snow… and other stuff
San Diego Here I Come!
The part where he asks how Stephan writes so much.
Words for our times
CAN we keep it?
I am not so sure any more.
Current Mood:scared
Snow… and other stuff
San Diego Here I Come!
Interview with Stephan KingYes, it’s true. I will be heading to San Diego for Comicon at the end of the month, for the first time in… ah… a bunch of years.
That’s not news to most of you, I know. There have already been a raft of stories out there about HBO’s plans for promoting HOUSE OF THE DRAGON at Comicon (which plans are pretty mind-boggling, by the way), and my name has popped up in a good many of them. So I’m not revealing any secrets here, but I can confirm. I’ll be joining the HOUSE OF THE DRAGON panel in Hall H, together with showrunners Ryan Condal and Miguel Sapochnik and eleven of our cast members. I will be as excited to meet them as you are. I was not able to visit the Hot D sets, so this will be the first time I have met any of them… well, aside from Matt Smith, who I did meet for about two minutes in the lobby of the Hard Rock Hotel at a previous Comicon, but he was the Doctor at the time, not Daemon Targaryen, and that’s not at all the same.
I will also be doing a couple of signings at San Diego. One for my publisher, Bantam Spectra/ Random House. I will be signing copies of FIRE & BLOOD and my other novels. And one for Marvel Comics, with Paul Cornell, to promote the new Wild Cards graphic novels that Paul has scripted. Raya Golden, ace minion, art director, and illustrator, will be travelling with me, and she’ll be on hand to sign copies of STARPORT, the graphic novel she adapted and illustrated from an old unproduced television pilot of mine (which may come back to life as a feature film, but that’s a tale for another day). This being Comicon, where the crowds are immense, all these signings will be capped and strictly limited, so if you want me to scrawl on one of your books, join the queue early.
(Sorry, I will NOT sign while walking the floor, eating lunch, or taking a piss in the men’s room. Don’t ask, okay?)
In June 2021, I went to Chicago for a week to accept an honorary doctorate from Northwestern. Aside from that, this will be the first time I have left home since the pandemic struck in March 2020. I am looking forward to it… but, truth be told, I am also a tad anxious. I have managed to avoid getting covid so far, knock wood… but if this Comicon is like the last one I went to, I am going to be in one big room with 150,000 other people, some of whom may not have been as careful as we have. That could be a challenge. Yes, I am fully vaccinated and double boosted, but that’s true of a number of friends of mine, who have still contracted omnicron despite that. (Mild cases, mostly, but still).
I do not want covid, not even a mild case, so please be advised, I will be doing all I can to prevent that. I will be masked almost all the time. I will not be shaking hands, sorry. Or even bumping fists. You can take my picture when I am signing your book, but stay on your side of the table, please. No selfies. No hugs. In past years, I was always glad to do all that, to make myself available to my readers, but these are not normal times. Once covid goes away for good — if it ever does — perhaps I will be able to do all that again. But not now. I cannot get sick. I have too much work to do.
I ask for your understanding.
And I hope all of us have a great time in San Diego, regardless of these challenges.
Current Mood:anxious
With each season, the show’s detractors grew louder. Executive’s grew concerned that perhaps their golden goose may be running out of eggs. Season 6 less well received than Season 5. And Season 7 less than Season 6. Although the excitement grew regarding the conclusion there was a palpable sense of dread. The actors seemed less enthusiastic and leaked scripts were a cause of great concern.
The Catalyclsmic End
Despite the growing chorus of concern, Season 8 was initially welcomed by the unwashed masses. Hype was building for the grand clash of the white walkers and the north. The journey of the last season can be seen perfectly in this graph of Rotten Tomato reviews lifted from Wikipedia:
- Published one entry in the series, Dance with Dragons (2011)
- Helped write four seasons of episodes and mysteriously stopped when his book material ran out.
- Published Lands of Ice and Fire (2012)
- Published World of Ice and Fire (2014)
- Published The Mystery Knight (2010)
- Published Fire & Blood (201
- Moved NotABlog from LiveJournal to his own website (201.
- Executive Producer of Who Fears Death (201
- Contributed to world building Elden Ring (2022)
- Started developing Roadmarks (2021)
- March 2021 signed HBO deal to be executive producer of Peacock.
- Announced Executive producer of Darkwinds (2022)
- Producer of Night of the Cooters (2021).
- Editing short stories and Wild Card series.
- Blogging incessantly.
- Tweeting about Trump.
- Crying about fans bullying him into finishing the series.
- Begging for sympathy with sock accounts.
- Being white knighted by his friends about how writers aren’t machines and can work on what they want… in 2009.
- Furiously reading fan comments and seething.
- Getting in slap fights with other authors and whinging about Puppygate. He wants conservative authors to take responsibility for Vox Day.
- Writing pilots for GoT prequel or sequel series.
- Bragging that his prequels will beat the highly anticipated Rings of Power.
Ultimately GoT is George’s responsibility and his unwillingness to help write the rest of the series let alone episodes is why GoT crashed and burned. He doesn’t even have the excuse of not being an editor or being incapable of overseeing ghost writers. George is a professional editor and has overseen and edited the Wild Cards series. He is fully capable of doing the same with GoT. He even has experience writing and editing TV shows, so GoT, his IP should not have imploded like it did.
Why hasn’t he then?
Autism basically. He claims he likes to nurture his characters and story like a gardener or a dungeon master. Which is a nice way of saying he’s winging it. He’s painted himself into a corner but he’s too prideful to admit it. Even when he has everything on the line, his name, his fame, and his fortune, he can’t be half assed to do even a half assed job.
Furthermore, he has a thing against fan fiction, which is understandable considering how shitty much of it is. Still, it’s funny that he of all people would take such a hard stance against fan fiction considering that’s how he started. Imagine if Stan Lee had the same stance against fan fiction that he did. Some have theorized that the reason he is opposed to fan fiction and to ghost writers, is because it’d hurt his pride if he felt someone else wrote a better ending than he did.
At the end of the day he has more in common with Christian Weston Chandler than Tolkien. George continues to post incessantly online, go to conventions when he shouldn’t, milk his orbiters, post letters with personal information sent to him by fans, fight internet trolls, waste money on autistic cape shit, fap to incestious fan art, and anything but actually write the series he promised to finish. As he continues to do nothing, his legacy, his profits, and his reputation continues to tank.
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Twitter: https://mobile.twitter.com/GRRMspeaking @GRRMspeaking
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Crazy Fans:
The GoT fandom has cringey fans and haters. One of them, The Dragon Demands, has a thread already here made by @AnyballLecter. He oddly hates David Benioff specifically. @Simply Outplayed-HD summarized him thus:
This video here goes over some of the bat shit insane fan theories. Thanks @RandallBoggs for sharing it here, I had a good laugh. There’s a lot more funny content out there.
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