US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Gehenna]

How would you describe this Adminstrations level of performance?

Fucking abysmal, but hardly due to any concerted effort to make it so. It is non-functional specifically -because- there is an inability to make any sort of concerted effort. Too many cooks in the kitchen who all hate eachother, which resulted in an inability to act as one at crucial moments, which in return lead to every cook leaving the kitchen.

 

[SeniorFuckFace]

Fucking abysmal, but hardly due to any concerted effort to make it so. It is non-functional specifically -because- there is an inability to make any sort of concerted effort. Too many cooks in the kitchen who all hate eachother, which resulted in an inability to act as one at crucial moments, which in return lead to every cook leaving the kitchen.

How did the Administration execute a transaction of selling one million barrels of crude from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to a Chinese state-controlled gas giant that continues to purchase Russian oil without it being arranged by agreement, performed in cooperation, or through a concerted effort?

How does that happen?

 

[Cuckoman]

How did the Administration execute a transaction of selling one million barrels of crude from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to a Chinese state-controlled gas giant that continues to purchase Russian oil without it being arranged by agreement, performed in cooperation, or through a concerted effort?

How does that happen?

How? Hunter Biden!

Sometimes negotiations like this between the US administration and foreign countries can be difficult. That is when Hunter steps in.
He is the grease that makes the machine work smoothly.

 

[SeniorFuckFace]

How? Hunter Biden!

Sometimes negotiations like this between the US administration and foreign countries can be difficult. That is when Hunter steps in.
He is the grease that makes the machine work smoothly.

Fair enough, although, that is still an arrangement through agreement, a concerted effort.

It requires concerted effort and cannot just execute independently.

 

[Sithis]

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Tuckerfags, could you guys verify?

Tucker has meme energy, I trust him

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Biden has been a perfect Vichy regime for China. Everything for the last two years has gone their way.

It's why I don't believe China is falling apart like most AnH posters, especially when it comes to population decline. The US is suffering the same basic problems too, but because they actually have desires to function competently, they are better at covering up their mistakes. The US's leadership is being proud of each foul-up and not fixing their mistakes both long and short term.

 

[Kane Lives]

It's why I don't believe China is falling apart like most AnH posters, especially when it comes to population decline. The US is suffering the same basic problems too, but because they actually have desires to function competently, they are better at covering up their mistakes. The US's leadership is being proud of each foul-up and not fixing their mistakes both long and short term.

Agreed. China may be facing the same problem as the US vis-a-vis with population decline, but they're actually actively attempting to fix the problem as well. Intent, in this case, will make a huge difference in the long run, even factoring in the Chink's cultural baggage.

 

[Gehenna]

How did the Administration execute a transaction of selling one million barrels of crude from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to a Chinese state-controlled gas giant that continues to purchase Russian oil without it being arranged by agreement, performed in cooperation, or through a concerted effort?

How does that happen?

Very easily... because it doesn't require any concerted effort. The president has near full control over when and how the strategic reserve is tapped. Selling it is much the same, no legislation is needed nor is any agreement required save between the buyer and seller.

It quite literally requires only a presidential signature and an agreeing party to take it.

 

[SeniorFuckFace]

Very easily... because it doesn't require any concerted effort. The president has near full control over when and how the strategic reserve is tapped. Selling it is much the same, o legislation is needed nor is any agreement required save between the buyer and seller.

It quite literally requires only a presidential signature and an agreeing party to take it.

What exactly do you mean by a concerted effort?

 

[Gehenna]

What exactly do you mean by a concerted effort?

A focused and deliberate effort to undermine the nation towards a larger end goal by or for outside actors.

 

[SeniorFuckFace]

A focused and deliberate effort to undermine the nation towards a larger end goal by or for outside actors.

How is selling one million barrels of crude from our Strategic Petroleum Reserve to a Chinese state-controlled, outside actor, not undermining our nation?

 

[Gehenna]

How is selling one million barrels of crude from our Strategic Petroleum Reserve to a Chinese state-controlled, outside actor, not undermining our nation?

Please show me where I said it was not? It is getting annoying to have you take a small section of what was said and say "Tell me how it is -not- this~" as if that section alone invalidates the whole.

How about I counter with "Was it done for china, or for the Biden's pocket book?" Said Bidens who have a long history of making underhanded deals using the power of the presidency explicitly for their personal profit. Or, to rephrase in the frame of my prior post, is it done for an outside actor or for personal gain?

You demonstrate exactly the specious logic which is why the articles logic is unsubstantiated. You are starting with the conclusion "That all this is done for a grand plan to bring abut X" and are working your logic backwards ignoring other causes which invalidate or undermine that connection. When in reality, things are better explained when considered from their origins going forward to understand how they came to be.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Yup, which means it is likely to pass because it merely maintains the status quo. Though that may not be a good thing for Democrats.


Trump, unironically, would find his most useful VP to be a Democrat. Specifically, an either current or former Democrat, with moderate views, who has spoken out against the Democrats leftwards shift. Ideally, hitting at least one of the 'diversity' notes. Personally, my recommendations to Trump would be either Vernon Jones or Elbert Guillory. Bothwell-spoken black men who share moderate stances and could drive massive wedges into the Democrat voting blocs.


Speaking of Democrat voting blocs! Hispanics have always been interesting. Among political analysts there has been a two sided argument ongoing for a while now. One side argues that they are ripe for the picking and if Republicans gave a bit more outreach then they'd became closer to a 50/50 bloc. The other side argues that there is little the Republicans can offer which the Democrats have not already promised, and thus it would be better to keep an eye on the bloc but not actively court them until conditions change.

I'm on the latter side here. But... conditions changed! I mentioned before how Democrats get into office by making different promises to everyone and maintaining viability by transitioning the voters to a cult of personality before breaking the promises. I mentioned then that all signs show that Biden is such a wet fart that he managed to break this and now the broken promises are being made hay of.

Hispanics are one of the big voting blocs that's important for.

Promises of amnesty. easy immigration, and a good economy to settle in are all great. But the Democrats have actively avoided doing either of the first two and are seen as responsible for tanking the third. Now, the Republicans can make some promises of their own which might be viewed in a more favourable light since the Democrat fell through so hard. Amnesty is honestly easier at this point than sorting out the issue. So long as its paired with preventing new mass immigration its an easy promise to make. Same for making immigration itself easier and more efficient, especially since the current system is actually deeply flawed. And the economy is just a given.

You'd think the only courting Mexicans will need is "we're not the side that kills babies".

 

[Gehenna]

You'd think the only courting Mexicans will need is "we're not the side that kills babies".

That is -definitely- helping but keep in mind that it was only really pushing into the collective conscious recently that Democrats position on abortion has well and truly passed the agreeable compromise. Most of the general populace believed Democrats are desiring the whole "Safe, legal, and rare" compromise. Now most believe that Democrats want a bit past that but it has not yet fully sunk in just how far.

Its enough currently that any bump possible from the overturning of Roe was well and truly squandered. And give it about 2-3 election cycles before it really begins to sink in. Assuming Democrats keep up their current pace.

 

[Disc]

How is selling one million barrels of crude from our Strategic Petroleum Reserve to a Chinese state-controlled, outside actor, not undermining our nation?

Look, what I think Gehenna's point is is that the fact they can quickly sell the oil does not mean they are working as a cohesive unit to tear down the country.
Most of Gehenna's issues with it stem from the bureaucratic and factionistic snarl democrats tend to build for themselves. Because the strategic reserve and the selling thereof can effectively sidestep that snarl, the selling of the oil does not support that they have a cohesive plan to tear america apart.
Basically just because this one part is running smoothly in fucking you, doesn't mean that the whole machine is A: Running smoothly as a whole and B: working to fuck you as a whole. It only kinda sorta proves point B, at best, but it sidesteps a lot of the snarl so even that's not really the case.

 

[Gehenna]

Look, what I think Gehenna's point is is that the fact they can quickly sell the oil does not mean they are working as a cohesive unit to tear down the country.
Most of Gehenna's issues with it stem from the bureaucratic and factionistic snarl democrats tend to build for themselves. Because the strategic reserve and the selling thereof can effectively sidestep that snarl, the selling of the oil does not support that they have a cohesive plan to tear america apart.
Basically just because this one part is running smoothly in fucking you, doesn't mean that the whole machine is A: Running smoothly as a whole and B: working to fuck you as a whole. It only kinda sorta proves point B, at best, but it sidesteps a lot of the snarl so even that's not really the case.

Thanks, that gets close enough to the whole. Less than patient right now as I work with some stuff due to elections in Wisconsin soon.

 

[SeniorFuckFace]

Please show me where I said it was not? It is getting annoying to have you take a small section of what was said and say "Tell me how it is -not- this~" as if that section alone invalidates the whole.

How about I counter with "Was it done for china, or for the Biden's pocket book?" Said Bidens who have a long history of making underhanded deals using the power of the presidency explicitly for their personal profit. Or, to rephrase in the frame of my prior post, is it done for an outside actor or for personal gain?

You demonstrate exactly the specious logic which is why the articles logic is unsubstantiated. You are starting with the conclusion "That all this is done for a grand plan to bring abut X" and are working your logic backwards ignoring other causes which invalidate or undermine that connection. When in reality, things are better explained when considered from their origins going forward to understand how they came to be.

You shared with me that the transaction of one million barrels of crude being sold from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to an outside Chinese state-sponsored actor "doesn't require any concerted effort" with the understanding that a concerted effort is "A focused and deliberate effort to undermine the nation towards a larger end goal by or for outside actors."

I disagree.

I think it can be fair to say that a drafted agreement, alone, did not just simply appear out of nowhere one day on Biden's desk for him to sign and the deal was concluded. There must have been individual conversations, and meetings between staff members within the Administration, with those who play operating roles at the Strategic Petroleum Reserve/Chinese state-controlled gas giant as well as all those middle-men in-between, which ultimately resulted in agreement throughout the chain of command, those links connected to it, and thereby establishing a concerted effort.

Not only was it concerted, but it is also subversive because at no point during those conversations, at no point during all those interactions did anyone halt the process, express that this is a terrible idea to draw down our country's Strategic Petroleum Reserve, regardless of the amount, and adamantly state it should be strictly used for domestic purposes in emergency scenarios and not afforded to outside hostile actors under any circumstance, especially with the extreme fuel crisis that our country is experiencing.

Look, I am not trying to annoy you, I appreciate your posts, I have learned a lot from the information you share, and do not want to agitate you. I just do not like what I am seeing.

I see a subversive, concerted effort to uproot the stability of this country coming from the Top Down and across traditional/newly appointed bureaucratic Institutions through linguistic games of redefining words and reframing long-standing, accepted biological concepts, to the exposure of degenerate subject matter that is enthusiastically presented to our children in public education, to biases found in the military of conservative beliefs while ingratiating trans rights over them, to wide-open borders, to massive amounts of wealth being transferred out of this country rather than subsidizing industries here to reduce inflation, and all done with the Administration's blessing.

If what I am seeing is inaccurate I am certainly open to being corrected...

EOM

 

[derpherp2]

There's a Biden donor who's charger with double murder. As usual the MSM will rub it under the carpet.

ALERT: Biden Donor Charged With Double Murder

A South Carolina lawyer who helped finance President Joe Biden's 2020 campaign was charged Thursday with killing his wife and son on the family's rural hunting estate.

freebeacon.com

Doubtful then it's the guy who killed Seth Rich but who knows?

Or you know, ignore all that and note this guy followed trump's twitter before banning or some shit. So he's totally a republican.

 

[Gehenna]

You shared with me that the transaction of one million barrels of crude being sold from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to an outside Chinese state-sponsored actor "doesn't require any concerted effort" with the understanding that a concerted effort is "A focused and deliberate effort to undermine the nation towards a larger end goal by or for outside actors."

I disagree.

I think it can be fair to say that a drafted agreement, alone, did not just simply appear out of nowhere one day on Biden's desk for him to sign and the deal was concluded. There must have been individual conversations, and meetings between staff members within the Administration, with those who play operating roles at the Strategic Petroleum Reserve/Chinese state-controlled gas giant as well as all those middle-men in-between, which ultimately resulted in agreement throughout the chain of command, those links connected to it, and thereby establishing a concerted effort.

Not only was it concerted, but it is also subversive because at no point during those conversations, at no point during all those interactions did anyone halt the process, express that this is a terrible idea to draw down our country's Strategic Petroleum Reserve, regardless of the amount, and adamantly state it should be strictly used for domestic purposes in emergency scenarios and not afforded to outside hostile actors under any circumstance, especially with the extreme fuel crisis that our country is experiencing.

Look, I am not trying to annoy you, I appreciate your posts, I have learned a lot from the information you share, and do not want to agitate you. I just do not like what I am seeing.

I see a subversive, concerted effort to uproot the stability of this country coming from the Top Down and across traditional/newly appointed bureaucratic Institutions through linguistic games of redefining words and reframing long-standing, accepted biological concepts, to the exposure of degenerate subject matter that is enthusiastically presented to our children in public education, to biases found in the military of conservative beliefs while ingratiating trans rights over them, to wide-open borders, to massive amounts of wealth being transferred out of this country rather than subsidizing industries here to reduce inflation, and all done with the Administration's blessing.

If what I am seeing is inaccurate I am certainly open to being corrected...

EOM

Look, lets bring this back a bit and discuss two things.

First; why what you are doing annoys me. Put simply, you are putting the cart before the horse. You found something that summarizes your worst fears and wraps it all up in a little bow. It explains everything you worry about and makes those fears more tangible and real. I get it, I understand it, but its not the best way to do things. Its creating a conclusion first, and then seeking to make the evidence fit the conclusion. Anything that doesn't fit the pre-ordained conclusion is then rejected (like how all this is making it more likely the Democrats lose the Presidency and has outright guaranteed they lose congress. No well made plan would allow for those). So;

Second; why this doesn't fit. The primary claim of the article linked and I suspect your primary worry is that some shadow cabal is secretly orchestrating the downfall of America. Why and who are both secondary to the fact they are doing it. Would you agree?

Assuming yes you would, lets consider the argument more seriously. What do they actually gain by doing all of it? "The destablization of America!" would be the retort of the writer of the article. But what do they -gain- for that? "The great reset" stop, right there. What -is- the "Great Reset"? Because what that is, is a cornerstone of the argument. And yet you rarely if ever find it actually defined beyond the vaguest of terms. By both those who fear it... and those who propose it. Well, let us discuss it here.

The Great Reset is a theoretical attempt to reduce the economies and governments of the world to such a low point that they are forced to banish all debts and take on a number of key globohomo talking points like energy renewability and focuses on city living to create a new global economic and government system. See the blown up Georgia Guide stones for the full idea.

Here is -one- major problem with this as an idea. It is severely undermined by the simple fact that in order to do it the people trying to do so would need near total control of every western aligned nation and every major eastern aligned nation. So basically North America, Europe, Russia, China, India, Japan, and most of the former major British colonies. You'd then need to hold that power in -every single one of these- for a period of decades. Nobody would ever need to diverge from this plan during this process. And it would need to all come to a head at once at the same time.

Why? Well, simply put, because if they don't all fall at the exact same time then good luck stopping the territory wars to take them over by either the barbarians at the gate or one of the other nations involved getting bright ideas.

This is only one major problem, I can think of at least two more. But I digress.

Simply put, the "Great Reset" as an idea is almost entirely theoretical, with some attempts to kick start it here and there. Covid Tyranny was the latest major attempt, and a pretty good one. But it was an attempt to -start- it. There simply is nowhere near as much unified control as would be necessary to pull it off.

So why does the current aspects of America's problems look so like the Great Reset stuff? Well, because its a decline. That's it. The entire plan for the great Reset would be a simultaneous decline which ends in every nation having to hit the Reset button. Any decline of an individual nation or period of unrest globally would share very, very clear similarities. And of course the Great Reset supporters will seek to use this period of instability to dig their hooks in to have another go next time something like Covid appears. There have always been and will always be groups of powerful people who want to impress their vision of the world upon everyone else. There is a reason that such fears of such groups predates the Roman Empire.

 

[SeniorFuckFace]

I brought to the forefront what I see as one of the subversive, concerted action of the Administration, never mentioned being worried "that some shadow cabal is secretly orchestrating the downfall of America", never mentioned "The Great Reset", shared what I am seeing, and not moving out of the country "because it now looks like it -may- fall and waiting for it to start would be a dereliction of my duty to my family."

Some might say that is putting the cart before the horse, but I digress.