General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Burnt Fish]

Does anyone here disagree that HoloEN aren't very well managed at a corporate level?

Realistically I think it's just a complicated mix of things.

Some stuff is logistical and can't be helped (EN/ID 3D woes comes to mind, but also frustrations with game permissions being complicated just by virtue of working for a japanese company and that japanese company as well having to jump through beurocratic japanese hoops which hangs the whole process up)

Fossil/out of touch management (Gura merch not selling with limits, an issue Calli as well encountered with UMG Japan on her album, Stifling collab restrictions preventing stuff like Kiara Pomu collabs etc)

Some stuff just general corporate bullshit, having to keep quiet about some things leaving you unable to answer fans expecations of explanations. Planning something and then it falling through because some behind the scenes checkbox that normally isn't an issue and exists for a reason suddenly is an issue.

Some of it's blameless but frustrating, some of it is managerial issues, some of it is probably mistaken or unrealistic explanation on talents parts. (this is all generally true whether it's EN or JP though I wager some of the logistics become more troublesome between countries, and some of the expectations being misplaced might stem from cultural differences with the company you've chosen to work for but none the less a lot of this stuff is relatively universal even if to different degrees)

I think though that there's a general tendency as a fan and viewer to view things somewhat skewed in favor of the person you're watching, overlooking some details and just heaping the blame entirely upon the unseen "management" which I totally get the inclination, you're watching the girl, you sympathize with them when they tell you they're frustrated most people will naturally when faced with someone upset look to place the blame elsewhere if they're a friend or fan of that person.

I think the reality is often more mundane and boring than "managers are fucking everying up!" though that's certainly likely to be the explanation in some cases. in a lot of others though I wager it's just a lot of red tape and normal shit that's of course still frustrating, but not necessarily an act of incompetence. We just naturally want there to be some "bad guy" to blame and to fight back against, but well "reality is often disappointing"

 

[RiverBear]

Flare's sunglasses are clipping in and out of her face lmao

 

[Takodachi]

Nadechama having a karaoke stream
she cant sing for shit but she sing with S O V L

 

[verissimus]

Is this real tardposting hours?

Last I heard, it was standard fare to add 20 or so pages every now and then discussing much ado about nothing.

 

[Bingeamint]

Pekora 3rd Anni Summer Party

Not gonna take too many shots, farms is slow as balls and she is throwing out guests like there is no tomorrow.

Feels like it been an absolutely age since I've seen the energetic doggo on stage. Not a bad live so far, we are only half way / Was a nice surprise to see Lapas, wasn't expecting any of the 6th gen to appear


Well well well, this is a very welcomed surprise, even managed to get Azki in, the song they are singing is really nice, gonna add that to my playlist later / Ah.. 3rd Gen singing Secret base, yeah this feels a little bit... its sort of fitting though.


All in all was a nice live, cant complain about the amount of songs being performed we got quite a few of short like 1-2 mins ones with quick switching. Wouldn't say it up the with some of the legendary ones with Aki and Subaru in the past, but it was still quite enjoyable.

 

[Rratcatcher]

Pekora really out here speedrunning guests lol

 

[ChefKiss]

It's basically been that way the whole time though hasn't it? Only difference this time is someone going from Hololive "down" to a different agency rather than the other way around

some of the best Vtubers had zero experience in anything related beforehand. Shuba and Aki were just women who needed a job badly and were grown from scratch

The amount of times Ame has basically carried the branch makes it obvious that EN is grossly mismanaged. My rrat is that they didn't think EN would actually succeed and hired shitty middle managers as a cost-cutting measure. Now they're stuck with the shitty middle managers they hired early on because of Japanese corporate culture.

Don't worry about 3d or concerts or tech or mental health, omegaalpha has a sick chuuni comic instead!
EN's managers don't seem interested in doing anything to support them, only in getting corporate sponsorships, appearances at anime panels etc

 

[SmugPeko]

Was a nice surprise to see Lapas, wasn't expecting any of the 6th gen to appear

Her collab week is basically introducing her guest for this.

 

[Hmmpf!]

Roflmao Gen 3 without Rushia. This is just wrong lol.

 

[White Stone]

only in getting corporate sponsorships, appearances at anime panels etc

How are those a bad thing now?

Looking back at the past, the ENs have gotten a pretty good deal when it comes to sponsorship:

1. Kiara, a JRPG lover, got to be the ambassador for Tales.
2. Gura, the rhythm gamer, got a couple of rhythm game sponsorships. She also had the Taco Bell sponsorship where she just talk about food for half of the stream.
3. Ina, the artist, got a couple of drawing sponsorships.
4. Ame, the FPS gamer, got to become an announcer for Paladin.

As for panels, at the very least Ame and Gura have talked about how much they enjoy interacting with fans in panels, I'm sure most of others feel the same.

 

[Rratcatcher]

As for panels, at the very least Ame and Gura have talked about how much they enjoy interacting with fans in panels, I'm sure most of others feel the same.

Kiara enjoys it so much that she is getting online meet and greets set up lol. IRyS seemed to really have a blast at Dokomi. Bae and Sana both mentioned SMASH con being fun, as well.

Panels and sponsorships are great for the talents, so getting mad at Cover over those is pretty silly when there are other things to criticize them over that are actually legitimate.

Edit:

Sana and Polka live drinking sake and eating/reading marshmallows.

 

[paule]

Pekora's anniversary was really good, lot of choreographed dancing, guests and a new original song. Over 140k viewers are crazy

Today is really busy, the ID/JP portal linking happens right now

 

[You're an idiot]

Calli and/or Ame got her lesbian-pregnant and ran off

To be fair, when Mori was telling Kobo she was adopted, she did say that Kiara was married to Amelia so...


I do find it infinitely hilarious that Kiara was going on in the recent Holocure stream about how she didn't think that way of Ame, and then Calli is just out here saying she's married to her lol. Even as recently as a year ago, you couldn't have paid me to predict that AmeTori would be something that people actually would be fully engaged with, but here we are. On a serious note, I think people like me just genuinely enjoy seeing a friendship develop, and also it's nice to watch Amelia get praised so highly. Regarding that first part, it did kind of seem like Ame and Kiara (at least to an outsider like me) were the least connected, but watching them get closer over the past year has been extremely wholesome. On the part about praising Amelia, as a proud Gosling, I obviously have always felt that she deserved more recognition for her ingenuity and generous heart, and having such a blatantly honest woman like Kiara out here telling people that Amelia is amazing is music to my ears.

Based Orange Woman. There, I said it, and I'm not ashamed.

Spoiler: threadside commentary

People posting things without proof, people posting 50 times in one stream, people throwing out 15 baits just to get a reply. That's why the thread gets 20 pages in a few hours. Could you imagine how nice and easy to read it would be if people actually edited their posts? You can say I complain too much about it, but who cares at this point? I unironically think it's ridiculous that there's so many posts that are one sentence long, and then 3 posts later there's another one from the same person also just one sentence long, repeat 10x per stream etc.

 

[Big PiPi Energy]

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Alright nijibros, time for equal opportunity malding about the welshman (just for context there was a moment in his video where he was touring apartments in Japan and he opened a fish grill in a Japanese kitchen and his editor put that Finana in the fish grill, at another point in the video he opened another one and it showed Gura)

Username checks out. Carry on.

 

[ChefKiss]

How are those that a bad thing now?

Where did I say it was a bad thing?

 

[Beeg Booba Fishing]

Edit:

Sana and Polka live drinking sake and eating/reading marshmallows.

"what is one random word you wanna teach the other person?"

Sana:

 

[White Stone]

Where did I say it was a bad thing?

This was your exact statement.

EN's managers don't seem interested in doing anything to support them, only in getting corporate sponsorships, appearances at anime panels etc

Weren't you literally implying that those two actions are not considered "supporting them" for some reason?

 

[SmugPeko]

Jesus ID server is so beautiful

 

[Twin Addler]

I do find it infinitely hilarious that Kiara was going on in the recent Holocure stream about how she didn't think that way of Ame, and then Calli is just out here saying she's married to her lol.

It is both funny and probably a bit sad to think about that Kiara has genuine appreciation and respect for Ame and what she did for her but because of her PTSD over Takamori she has to immediately go "Oh god no it's just platonic pls don't ship us". Meanwhile Calli doesn't seem to know of any of that and just thinks of "Oh Kiara and Ame are close recently? I guess I will ship and yuribait them by saying they are married".

Jesus ID server is so beautiful

The contrast between not just the EN and ID worlds but also the players themselves is really wild. In EN only Kiara and Ina actually use elytras, Ame still has trouble using it herself. Meanwhile Kaela learns how to use it after just one collab with Moona then spends the next stream using what she learned to grind more elytras.

 

[SmugPeko]

It is both funny and probably a bit sad to think about that Kiara has genuine appreciation and respect for Ame and what she did for her but because of her PTSD over Takamori she has to immediately go "Oh god no it's just platonic pls don't ship us". Meanwhile Calli doesn't seem to know of any of that and just thinks of "Oh Kiara and Ame are close recently? I guess I will ship and yuribait them by saying they are married".


The contrast between not just the EN and ID worlds but also the players themselves is really wild. In EN only Kiara and Ina actually use elytras, Ame still has trouble using it herself. Meanwhile Kaela learns how to use it after just one collab with Moona then spends the next stream using what she learned to grind more elytras.

Kaela have like 35 elytra right?