Incel and Lonely Men Debate thread - Defend men giving up or tell them otherwise

[White Pride Worldwide]

I'm not sure it matters currently.
Societal changes always upset the balance between the relationship between the two genders. They are not equal and never will be, much to the chagrin of brainwashed feminists/incels but not to their leaders. Currently it has reached an equilibrium where it is disadvantageous to males and advantageous to females. We shall see what the future will hold.

The only viable solution currently to stop this is to have so many muslims invade the west that we get sharia law but even that is getting eroded as women are now allowed to drive. The problem with women having power in the dating market is that a lot of men without the guarantee of having a wife and kids have no purpose or interest to be a cog in the machine and drop out of society,. Historically speaking massive wars have been fought over women and the fact that a lot of young men with time on their hands are getting basically kicked out of the dating market means there will be a lot of conflict that is going to arise for no reason outside of progressivism trying to pervert gender roles. None of this is a good thing though and could easily have been prevented if we just didn't try to re-invent the wheel during the 60s civil rights movement.

 

[Whatevermancer]

Incels should take more responsibility for their lives.

I was born ugly and poor! It's not my fault that women don't like me!

Yes, but it's your fault that you don't improve your situation.

But Chad doesn't have to improve, that's not fair!

That's rough, buddy, but life is not fair.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

inceldom has a cure, take the rope pill onee chan

 

[Shinzo Abe’s Ghost]

The only viable solution currently to stop this is to have so many muslims invade the west that we get sharia law but even that is getting eroded as women are now allowed to drive. The problem with women having power in the dating market is that a lot of men without the guarantee of having a wife and kids have no purpose or interest to be a cog in the machine and drop out of society,. Historically speaking massive wars have been fought over women and the fact that a lot of young men with time on their hands are getting basically kicked out of the dating market means there will be a lot of conflict that is going to arise for no reason outside of progressivism trying to pervert gender roles. None of this is a good thing though and could easily have been prevented if we just didn't try to re-invent the wheel during the 60s civil rights movement.

lmao just breed.

 

[Ser Prize]

I genuinely think it's the fault of social circles basically drying up, as was pointed out earlier. Either you enter the dating app shitshow or you approach literal strangers in the street these days.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

I genuinely think it's the fault of social circles basically drying up, as was pointed out earlier.

I keep hearing this but I have no clue how it even happens. How does any grown-ass adult end up in a position where they don't have a social circle of friends that keep inviting them to get-togethers, parties, weddings (Jesus christ so many weddings) and other assorted events on the regular? I'm actively trying to be a recluse most days and I still find myself dragged into way too many things by annoying and lovable friends/family/acquaintances.

Legit asking, how do people end up with none of that by their mid-20s/30s/40s? I just don't see it, but at the same time there's enough people bitching online about it that it has to be a thing, at least on some level. But how? Are you people actively burning bridges and making pariahs of yourselves?

 

[Ser Prize]

I keep hearing this but I have no clue how it even happens. How does any grown-ass adult end up in a position where they don't have a social circle of friends that keep inviting them to get-togethers, parties, weddings (Jesus christ so many weddings) and other assorted events on the regular? I'm actively trying to be a recluse most days and I still find myself dragged into way too many things by annoying and lovable friends/family/acquaintances.

Legit asking, how do people end up with none of that by their mid-20s/30s/40s? I just don't see it, but at the same time there's enough people bitching online about it that it has to be a thing, at least on some level. But how? Are you people actively burning bridges and making pariahs of yourselves?

Well, from a personal experience I don't have a ton of IRL friends. But the friends I do have IRL are like me: losers who play video games and don't get women.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

Well, from a personal experience I don't have a ton of IRL friends. But the friends I do have IRL are like me: losers who play video games and don't get women.

Fair enough, but what about your family? You don't have mom/dad/aunts/uncles/cousins that expect you to rock up to family events (where there will be other people that you can meet)? Or heck, what about work? You're not meeting new people through work contacts and business functions, etc?

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

I keep hearing this but I have no clue how it even happens. How does any grown-ass adult end up in a position where they don't have a social circle of friends that keep inviting them to get-togethers, parties, weddings (Jesus christ so many weddings) and other assorted events on the regular? I'm actively trying to be a recluse most days and I still find myself dragged into way too many things by annoying and lovable friends/family/acquaintances.

Legit asking, how do people end up with none of that by their mid-20s/30s/40s? I just don't see it, but at the same time there's enough people bitching online about it that it has to be a thing, at least on some level. But how? Are you people actively burning bridges and making pariahs of yourselves?

Fair enough, but what about your family? You don't have mom/dad/aunts/uncles/cousins that expect you to rock up to family events (where there will be other people that you can meet)? Or heck, what about work? You're not meeting new people through work contacts and business functions, etc?

I think you aren't taking into account the fact that people that are more invested in their hobby (whether it be music, technology, reading,etc.) tend to socialize best when in circles that have that as the main focus. Sure, I can go to a party or this or that social function, but I'm the type of person where the only reason I'm there is the actual function itself. Everything else is kinda secondary and meaningless to me because I kinda just want to leave and get back to what I was doing before. I'm not going to pretend I'm there for anything else other than a break from work and socialization with people who probably have vastly interests to me is a form of work to me at least. I'm not saying I want all my conversations to be about math, science, technology, programming and music (in my particular case), but it is a great way to form connections in my case. I like seeing the work people are doing in a field so I can as them genuine questions about it. I can imagine it's the same for anyone that is a bit of a "nerd" regarding a certain field, and most people aren't wired that way.

Meanwhile, I socialize best in small circles where I have friends and the like that I know can talk about such topics. Hell, often I don't end up talking about them and about typical normalfag shit to some extent. Granted, work requires me to talk to people about these topics and I can do it like second nature because they have similar interests as me, but the general populace doesn't, which is fine. It just makes socializing with a random member of the population a chore. Point being, some people have a different workflow on how to meet people and interact with them.

 

[DavidS877]

I keep hearing this but I have no clue how it even happens. How does any grown-ass adult end up in a position where they don't have a social circle of friends that keep inviting them to get-togethers, parties, weddings (Jesus christ so many weddings) and other assorted events on the regular? I'm actively trying to be a recluse most days and I still find myself dragged into way too many things by annoying and lovable friends/family/acquaintances.

Legit asking, how do people end up with none of that by their mid-20s/30s/40s? I just don't see it, but at the same time there's enough people bitching online about it that it has to be a thing, at least on some level. But how? Are you people actively burning bridges and making pariahs of yourselves?

Outside of TV shows and College(and High School) how do you even have a circle of friends. After I left the town I went to college in I have met a couple people in each new city, usually through volunteering or a shared hobby. But these aren't the random people you go out drinking or whatever with, you go to the events, see them, and then go back to whatever it was you were doing. Now I work from home so I don't even have coworkers in town.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

Everything else is kinda secondary and meaningless to me because I kinda just want to leave and get back to what I was doing before.

This sounds like it might be the issue for a lot of people, then. In my experience, work functions/conferences/business events are literally never about work, are 100% about socialization and 'greasing things' so that certain people have the chance to meet other certain people, and most of the important conversations happen after-hours where all of those 'pesky presentations and shit' are done and out of the way and the alcohol has come out. The socialization is typically professional networking (i.e. "Hey @Tomboy Respecter let me introduce you to so-and-so and get you talking about X" on the hopes that it starts some mutually-beneficial research/collaboration between organizations), but it's still meeting people either way, and many of the people that have wound up in my social group or on its periphery have been randos that I've had to meet through work shit, but we clicked and kept in touch afterward.

Point being, some people have a different workflow on how to meet people and interact with them.

Sure, different strokes for different folks. Anything that works for you is good. But if it isn't working for you and you're not meeting enough people/chicks, then it's worth shaking things up a bit before resigning yourself to foreveralone status. (Not saying you are specifically, but the sentiment of this thread and the other one have gotten pretty gay and sadsack-y recently.)

After I left the town I went to college in I have met a couple people in each new city, usually through volunteering or a shared hobby.

It sounds like you're moving around a lot, from your wording? Which sure, means you're always meeting new people and that's great, but if you're not sticking around long enough to develop rapport with them (for however long it takes you personally to do that) then of course nothing's going to change.

But these aren't the random people you go out drinking or whatever with,

Why not?

you go to the events, see them, and then go back to whatever it was you were doing.

You've never struck up conversation with any of them to get to know who they are outside of the hobby? Nobody suggests hanging out afterwards or doing lunch/dinner/drinks?

Now I work from home so I don't even have coworkers in town.

That's always tough, sure. Globalization and this recent working-from-home nonsense have really done a number on interpersonal relationships, particularly at work. Not even just in the 'meeting new contacts' sense, but in the "Hey man, I've got a plan for a proposal I'm hoping to hash out and present to so-and-so, but it's early days. Wanna head out for beers after work so I can pick your brain on some things?" sense where the candid discussions that actually make shit happen (personally and professionally) need to occur. Obviously if you're not even in the same town then none of that shit can happen, and you've definitely been robbed of some opportunities by circumstance, I think.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Outside of TV shows and College(and High School) how do you even have a circle of friends. After I left the town I went to college in I have met a couple people in each new city, usually through volunteering or a shared hobby. But these aren't the random people you go out drinking or whatever with, you go to the events, see them, and then go back to whatever it was you were doing. Now I work from home so I don't even have coworkers in town.

Spoiler: Slight PL

Slight PL here but my family moved a lot when I was a child. Sometimes across the country to places with wildly different local cultures and climates. It's difficult enough to fit in or feel like you belong, even without moving all the time. Every time I did start to make friends or get settled in, my dad just had to get a new job and move us across the country again.

Trying to meet people for the specific purpose of hopefully getting a date or relationship is kind of a fool's errand. Honestly I think Tinder and similar things have made things worse in some ways. Even if you just legitimately want to meet someone, their guard is up because it has a reputation for being full of fuckboys, catfish, camgirls, and other associated trash.

I think I'm a guy whose always dangerously veered near inceldom, with nick fuentes tier misogyny albeit most of the time its mostly playful, naturally inclined to not make friends or disassociate with irl friends over time which means I'm not in situations to score often, a bit of a habitual hermit. That being said, I understand the pitfalls of how easily these fellas turn into cantankerous manbabies but I wield no empathy nor sympathy for them because this identity is wholly constructed to just pass blame onto everyone else but themselves for their own acidic personality. They've carefully and meticulously constructed a mental prison that stagnates and purposely holds back their personal development as adults out of a narcissistic fear of failure which is ironic since their inaction and fruitless blaming renders them to be failures any ways.

It's honestly weird that, considering their multiple failures in life, they choose to obsess over not having a girlfriend, of all things. But in some ways I think incels are at least in part a byproduct of our culture, especially in their formative years. If you keep telling a person that if he's a fag now, he's a fag forever, and if he fucks up now on anything even in the slightest it's over, yeah some people are going to feel like they can't make a difference. Trey Parker and Matt Stone said something similar in an interview with Michael Moore.

To be fair though, sometimes the kinds of people you are sexually attracted to are not sexually attracted to you. But again it is strange that they choose to fixate on that rather than other aspects of their lives. Hell, I don't think their parents told them that many guys don't date in high school at all. Of course, youth culture is radically different now than it was, maybe so much as five years ago.

 

[Hierarchy Of Sneeds]

I think that the constant societal push for women being allowed to work, vote, and say no to their partner has played a large role in creating the incel class. If a woman isn't forced to rely on a man for shelter, basic protection and food, why would she even settle for some neckbeard shut-in idiot obsessed about his dainty wrists and crooked jaw?

In many cases, the incel is just a guy who would be a useless partner and then gets eaten up by some kind of victim mentality instead of working on himself to be desirable in any way. And no, obsessing over jaw exercises to make your chin more manly is not making you a desirable partner.

 

[Angelic 2 the Core]

I think that the constant societal push for women being allowed to work, vote, and say no to their partner has played a large role in creating the incel class. If a woman isn't forced to rely on a man for shelter, basic protection and food, why would she even settle for some neckbeard shut-in idiot obsessed about his dainty wrists and crooked jaw?

In many cases, the incel is just a guy who would be a useless partner and then gets eaten up by some kind of victim mentality instead of working on himself to be desirable in any way. And no, obsessing over jaw exercises to make your chin more manly is not making you a desirable partner.

Appearance is actually the most important part of sexual attraction, though. The whole reason people date is because they want to fuck eventually for the subconscious reason of passing on your genes. Above all else women want men with the best physical genetics with includes things like having a strong jaw, masculine frame, hunter eyes, etc. People also assume worse things about people that are uglier compared to better looking people. Two people can do the same thing and it's taken differently based on who is saying it.

I'm not an incel and have dated and fucked but I'm not going to pretend like better looking men don't have a way easier time than me in getting dates and sex.

 

[Protistology]

Appearance is actually the most important part of sexual attraction, though. The whole reason people date is because they want to fuck eventually for the subconscious reason of passing on your genes. Above all else women want men with the best physical genetics with includes things like having a strong jaw, masculine frame, hunter eyes, etc. People also assume worse things about people that are uglier compared to better looking people. Two people can do the same thing and it's taken differently based on who is saying it.

I'm not an incel and have dated and fucked but I'm not going to pretend like better looking men don't have a way easier time than me in getting dates and sex.

I always show people who claim looks don't matter this picture and them who's hotter.

 

[Willie Thrills]

I keep hearing this but I have no clue how it even happens. How does any grown-ass adult end up in a position where they don't have a social circle of friends that keep inviting them to get-togethers, parties, weddings (Jesus christ so many weddings) and other assorted events on the regular? I'm actively trying to be a recluse most days and I still find myself dragged into way too many things by annoying and lovable friends/family/acquaintances.

Legit asking, how do people end up with none of that by their mid-20s/30s/40s? I just don't see it, but at the same time there's enough people bitching online about it that it has to be a thing, at least on some level. But how? Are you people actively burning bridges and making pariahs of yourselves?

7-day workweeks are common, 9-5 jobs no longer exist for anyone under 30, either you dry up your social life by working through it, or you starve to death. If you want to work as an under-25, you MUST work all weekends in any service job, at a minimum.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

7-day workweeks are common, 9-5 jobs no longer exist for anyone under 30, either you dry up your social life by working through it, or you starve to death. If you want to work as an under-25, you MUST work all weekends in any service job, at a minimum.

This is just demonstrably untrue by venturing outside, so I'm not even sure why you would say it.

 

[Willie Thrills]

This is just demonstrably untrue by venturing outside, so I'm not even sure why you would say it.

Where, specifically, is this untrue?

This is true in most of the post-industrial North and Midlands - service and logistics jobs.

 

[9Style]

I keep hearing this but I have no clue how it even happens. How does any grown-ass adult end up in a position where they don't have a social circle of friends that keep inviting them to get-togethers, parties, weddings (Jesus christ so many weddings) and other assorted events on the regular? I'm actively trying to be a recluse most days and I still find myself dragged into way too many things by annoying and lovable friends/family/acquaintances.

Legit asking, how do people end up with none of that by their mid-20s/30s/40s? I just don't see it, but at the same time there's enough people bitching online about it that it has to be a thing, at least on some level. But how? Are you people actively burning bridges and making pariahs of yourselves?

 

[Never Scored]

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Now this... I agree this is a real problem.