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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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EU Agrees to Double Azeri Gas Imports in Shift From Russia​



This is kind of interesting, because have you ever heard of Norway supplying that much gas to EU?

I mean Norway never bitches about Warsaw pact expansion as Taiga Union, it does not make drama on children of Oslo and not saying that their younger brother nation Sweden is oppressing Norwegian language or speakers. There is no drama coming out of Norway, like none what so ever and all this time they are basically supplying as much gas as Russia without any stink or blackmail, wow.

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Ryan McBeth on HIMARS. Suggests the Russians can see them but as yet the operators cannot seem to read what they see, and gives a good summary of HIMARS and related.


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Oligarch's money good, wounded Ukrainians bad.


He's one of these tedious pro-Russian 'both-siders' who takes anything Russia says as basic fact, as truth by default, seems moderate towards Ukraine, but treats anything Ukraine say with absolute scepticism. Basically his intent seems to be steer the conversation into particular bounds. The 'don't care' is a bad pose. His wounded response at certain comments noting how his posts had certain traits, said it all for me.


Denys Davydov on Russia pulling back its ships, out of fear of improved UA missile capacities. Hopefully something can be done regarding submarines with their child killing Kalibr missiles.
As someone who spent 2 years in a Rocket Artillery battalion, I feel I actually for once have expert first hand knowledge here.

All these people are idiots. Russia has zero capability to intercept an American made short range rocket. Any claim to the contrary is pure and unadulterated copium. Because the USA focused primarily on shell based artillery in Europe for logistics reasons, what Rocket Artillery did exist was a strategic level asset. The M270 tracked MLRS and its light equivalent the M142 HIMARS were never intended for tactical use. They were designed for two purposes. The destruction of enemy command and control protected by air defense, and the delivery of nuclear weapons.

To that end, the entire suit of potential ammunition these systems fires ranges from a medium range cruise missile that can carry a strategic level nuclear weapon in the megaton range, to the much faster and shorter ranged dispersed munition rockets designed to kill every living thing above ground in a square kilometer. Its of course the latter that has been sent to Ukraine, and those rockets are designed to fly at high speed with low profile and short range compared to a cruise missile. They are small enough in fact that Russian Radar systems have a hard time even detecting them, let alone locking onto them with a missile. A capability Russia does not have, and even Israels Iron Dome, which CAN see them, would have a damn hard time actually shooting it down.

What Russia can do however, is see where they got launched from and counter fire on the launch position. But both the M270 and the M142 have that in mind as well. Not only are they capable of precision fire with quick reload, they are ALSO capable of single fire mode. All the rockets in quick succession. This greatly reduces accuracy and plays merry hell with the maintenance of the vehicle, but its the equivalent of firing a machine gun on full auto. Only with Rockets. After that, the vehicles can start moving even before the empty rocket pod is stowed and can move very fast, even without a road. By the time counter fire is inbound the systems can be hundreds of meters away. The firing computers on them are also capable of remote operation. The men driving the damn thing don't have to do a solitary thing but drive. The commander 5 kilometers away can control all of the vehicles firing solutions from his HQ. Though make no mistake, they are also capable of independent fire too. I wonder though if the US gave THAT capability to the Ukrainians. I know they left a ton of the targeting systems off the M777's they gave to Ukraine.
 
Also, since we are now trading war stories. My MLRS unit in Europe was slated to deploy to Moscow to participate in Russia's victory day parade. As a gesture of good will. After all, we were the artillerymen that would probably end up bathing the Russian Army in nuclear hellfire if war broke out. How great it would be to go to Moscow and celebrate our common military history.

The march got cancelled last minute. Apparently Putin was all for it, but members of his own party in the Duma decided to pitch a fit about the idea of "American Tanks" being present on Russian soil. I even had my own state approved Russian Visa issued for travel when the plan got nixed.

For all the talk about how the USA squandered an opportunity to make nice with Russia, make no mistake the Russians were right there the entire way squandering the opportunity. Looking back now, I wonder what I would think about this mess if I had actually gotten to go to red square in Uniform. Would I be so anti-russian? The only Russians I ever met were the mafia types at the club near my base. Beyond that they were the nebulous enemy I maybe but probably not would have to kill unless I got sent to Iraq or Afghanistan.

My one experience with them outside the context of either potentially dangerous mafia or threat in need of a tactical nuke in the face was as criminals or that potential dog and pony show I had to get ready for followed by cancellation. Looking at the entire thing from hindsight, I guess it explains why I am so annoyed by the idiot Americans admiring Russians in this thread with the benefit of never having to deal with them. My only experience with Russians has been their criminals in Germany, or their government telling me they would prefer me to nuke them then be my friend.

I'm too deep into memories now. Thanks HIMARS. I really wanted to see Moscow. Don't think I ever will at this point.
 
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Also, since we are now trading war stories. My MLRS unit in Europe was slated to deploy to Moscow to participate in Russia's victory day parade. As a gesture of good will. After all, we were the artillerymen that would probably end up bathing the Russian Army in nuclear hellfire if war broke out. How great it would be to go to Moscow and celebrate our common military history.
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The march got cancelled last minute. My only experience with Russians has been their criminals in Germany, or their government telling me they would prefer me to nuke them then be my friend.

I'm too deep into memories now. Thanks HIMARS. I really wanted to see Moscow. Don't think I ever will at this point.
The only time I was TDY on my own, was in Vilseck for a month-long PLS/HEMMT engine-repair school, and it happily ended on a long 4 day weekend. But the thing about Vilseck (the post/barracks & town next to Grafenwöhr Training Center), especially if you're not busy in the field or in school, is that there's literally nothing to do except drink, sleep, watch movies, or bang whores.

I had been sent with a fellow mechanic from my motorpool, who also happened to be a Ukrainian (and became an American citizen while in Iraq); during the last week of class he asked me if I wanted to go with him to Kiev, because he got a deal on Ryan Air tickets & family connections for a free hotel room downtown.

Which we really weren't supposed to be doing; the Army keeps troops on a short leash, and just getting the permission/weekend pass was a fucking headache, even if the destination was within 40km. And they definitely wouldn't have let us go to fucking Kiev. But I just happened to have my passport, so......

Instead of kicking around Vilseck & drinking/playing cards in our TDY rooms (basically an Army-subsidised hotel); we signed out after class Friday afternoon, landing in Kiev that evening & got checked into a fairly nice business-class suite, right on the river.

But after that, I don't remember much, and I still feel bad for not actually seeing/visiting anything.... because I never even left the hotel. Anything a thirsty/hungry/bored guy could need or want, room-service would find & send up, and everything was amazingly cheap. So when my coworker took off with his girl from back home who came to meet him, I didn't know a lick of slavic, but she brought a nice friend who liked to party, and we hung out around the hotel for the whole weekend, getting absolutely wasted on good vodka and coke, and laughing at each other's bad ethnic jokes.

It's sad to think my Ukrainian battlebuddy (and the others I met) is probably dead by now, and chances are good those girls are refugees (or also dead). I'm pretty sure he was planning to go back after reenlisting, which would've been around 2008, though it'd be cool to see if that hotel is still standing though. One day I'll go back, I promised myself.

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My friend S.T. was exactly the kind of reckless dick to go swinging back into the Donbass when that kicked off, which is why I figure chances are good he's got gotten; although he had a lot of dumb luck too, so. I just can't remember exactly how to spell his name, which was not anglicized and/or russified. Still.... I would rather remember that asshole as being alive, rather than learn he's rotting into the bloodlands somewhere.
 
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Also, since we are now trading war stories. My MLRS unit in Europe was slated to deploy to Moscow to participate in Russia's victory day parade. As a gesture of good will. After all, we were the artillerymen that would probably end up bathing the Russian Army in nuclear hellfire if war broke out. How great it would be to go to Moscow and celebrate our common military history.

The march got cancelled last minute. Apparently Putin was all for it, but members of his own party in the Duma decided to pitch a fit about the idea of "American Tanks" being present on Russian soil. I even had my own state approved Russian Visa issued for travel when the plan got nixed.

For all the talk about how the USA squandered an opportunity to make nice with Russia, make no mistake the Russians were right there the entire way squandering the opportunity. Looking back now, I wonder what I would think about this mess if I had actually gotten to go to red square in Uniform. Would I be so anti-russian? The only Russians I ever met were the mafia types at the club near my base. Beyond that they were the nebulous enemy I maybe but probably not would have to kill unless I got sent to Iraq or Afghanistan.

My one experience with them outside the context of either potentially dangerous mafia or threat in need of a tactical nuke in the face was as criminals or that potential dog and pony show I had to get ready for followed by cancellation. Looking at the entire thing from hindsight, I guess it explains why I am so annoyed by the idiot Americans admiring Russians in this thread with the benefit of never having to deal with them. My only experience with Russians has been their criminals in Germany, or their government telling me they would prefer me to nuke them then be my friend.

I'm too deep into memories now. Thanks HIMARS. I really wanted to see Moscow. Don't think I ever will at this point.

Navies are different beasts from land grunts, plus Navy officers back in the Soviet Union were held to much higher standard. I know that even during the cold war they drunk together in secret and snuk whores to US ships in port. Overall, it was all business and probably the closest to gentlemen's sport of war one can imagine.

The KGB/FSB, that's everywhere in Russian civilian goverment now, never changed stripes or their attitude for the West. Most Soviet wage slaves had no idea what West was really like outside of propaganda of the iron curtain. KGB agents like Putin knew it, been there, lived it.

Don't worry bro, uniformed US NATO troops already been to Moscow in 1992 (and few more times in Russia, in the past) delivering Gulf War food left overs in operation Provide Hope. Starvation in Russia goes in cycles after each disastrous war/military pissing contest, that fucks their economy for a while. Russians never know when to quit and just grind it on battlefield until economy is completely fucked. Been done before many times.


So this Su-34M (M - modernized) that got shot down by RF bros

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Identified as RF-95890 would also be called "51 RED" and would be from Russian Air Force's 277 Bomber Aviation Regiment (277 BAP) out of Khurba Airbase, Khabarovsk Krai in the Far East.

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That thing suppose to be the top of the top, super hyper uber modernized, electronically advanced model that got shot down by a RF AA battery. Do they even "friend-foe" bro?
 
...In the south, the battle around Vuhledar continued. Many sources suggest that the fights here are very fierce, despite the fact that not a lot of forces are engaged in the fight. Almost every day I find reports that the fighters lose aircrafts and helicopters in this region. Such a frequent engagement of such a sophisticated machinery is indeed a strong signal that heavy fights are taking place, although, so far, with no visible results. ..
I know this is a propaganda piece, but it still would be nice to know who is losing aircraft.
 
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Nowhere in the post or the article does it mention "Russia says it's losing..."
The article starts out with basic "Russians are demoralized, some are wounding themselves to get out of combat, yadda yadda, Ukraine is defiantly winning" and then goes on to read quotes from Russian officials talking about how Ukraine is using drugged-up soldiers supplied from American Biolabs. They get this from POWs with West Nile virus and hepatitis A and drugs being treated for those diseases. It mentions accusations of doping by the same officials. Not mutants mind you.
This isn't exactly new for the Russians but I could be wrong, didn't the Soviets at one point claim this too?
 
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So Russia have investigated Russia, and in a stunning and totally unexpected turn of events have concluded that Russia dindu nuffin.



Another Russian ammo dump got HIMARS'ed. I've seen some posts by vatnigger apologists claiming these aren't ammo dumps but fertilizer storage, and that Ukrainians are doing it deliberately to cause a food crisis...

Hopefully something can be done regarding submarines with their child killing Kalibr missiles.
Short of giving them weapons that can hit the subs in port, or NATO actively joining in combat ops there's not really a lot that can be done to stop them. ASW is one are where we can't just give the Ukrainians a system and some rudimentary training and expect them to do anything effective.

Do they even "friend-foe" bro?
Probably built their IFF transmitters out of shitty chinese knock off parts and it broke. Or some maintenance guy ripped it out to strip for spares, either is equally possible tbh.
 
That's slander! Their ammo depots have been doing exactly that successfully for weeks now, we mustn't forget their sacrifice!
Congrats on getting me to laugh by making me imagine Anime Ammo Depot-Girl, Hey if we have shipgirls and gun girls tank girls etc, Why not that ? Logistics deserves some amusing stuff too.
 
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Nowhere in the post or the article does it mention "Russia says it's losing..."
The article starts out with basic "Russians are demoralized, some are wounding themselves to get out of combat, yadda yadda, Ukraine is defiantly winning" and then goes on to read quotes from Russian officials talking about how Ukraine is using drugged-up soldiers supplied from American Biolabs. They get this from POWs with West Nile virus and hepatitis A and drugs being treated for those diseases. It mentions accusations of doping by the same officials. Not mutants mind you.
This isn't exactly new for the Russians but I could be wrong, didn't the Soviets at one point claim this too?

the header is misleading for sure, but them bringing it up shows some degree of desperation. At first the official narrative started to change that RF isn't fighting Ukraine, but the whole NATO. Now these. I'd like to say that Commersant (commerce man) is a pretty level headed rag, def not a tabloid and these statements come from fairly high up officials. Yarovaya is the deputy chair of RF parliament (duma), probably equivalent of Pelosi (not that she say dumb shit) but quoting lab reports etc is not a casual statement. Also Putin in his first address since invasion had mentioned that Kyiv defenders are drug addicts with guns.

Similar accusations were made in 2014 at the time of trying to capture the Donetsk airport. The dogged resistance was blamed on Ukrainian soldiers who were turned into cuber zombie who continue to advance and shoot even with their head and body parts blown off.

When Russia accuses you of something, it's most likely the same shit they have done.

The infamous Mildronat (meldonium) that's used in doping a lot of RF athletes was first developed and used in Afgansitan invasion to increase endurance and alertness of soldiers. It does have some brain cognition side effects, but it def did some good to stay awake and probably not as addictive as meth that Germans used (and Finns famously overdosed on)

I do remember that during the Soviet invasion of Afganistan, Soviets made statements that Americans (who were "obviously" fighting there) used heavy drugs to become crazy animals and go apeshit on civilians. That narrative is tried and true and explains to an average vatnik how all the workcrimes are committed.

After Afgan, some Soviet soldiers did get addicted to local opium, at least pot rose in popularity dramatically and I've known a few fam friends who came back with a large bag of it.
 
The infamous Mildronat (meldonium) that's used in doping a lot of RF athletes was first developed and used in Afgansitan invasion to increase endurance and alertness of soldiers. It does have some brain cognition side effects, but it def did some good to stay awake and probably not as addictive as meth that Germans used (and Finns famously overdosed on)

I do remember that during the Soviet invasion of Afganistan, Soviets made statements that Americans (who were "obviously" fighting there) used heavy drugs to become crazy animals and go apeshit on civilians. That narrative is tried and true and explains to an average vatnik how all the workcrimes are committed.
There's another stimulant/nootropic drug developed by Russia for cosmonauts called Phenibut; which was meant to improve cognitive skills & stamina, provide anxiety relief, but avoid stimulant psychosis (important in a Soyuz capsule, and I imagine it's hard to itch the meth-bugs under a spacesuit). It's been sold in the US for years as a gas-station stimulant, which I first encountered in the form of "Red Dawn".
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Phenibut was developed in the Soviet Union and was introduced for medical use in the 1960s. Today, it is marketed for medical use in Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Kazakhstan, and Latvia. The medication is not approved for clinical use in the United States and most of Europe, but it is also sold on the Internet as a supplement and purported nootropic. Phenibut has been used recreationally and can produce euphoria as well as addiction, dependence, and withdrawal. Tolerance to phenibut easily develops with repeated use leading to dependency. Withdrawal symptoms may occur upon discontinuation, and, in recreational users taking high doses, have been reported to include severe rebound anxiety, insomnia, anger, irritability, agitation, visual and auditory hallucinations, and acute psychosis.
But like all things Russian; while the manufacturing & ingredients may be suspect, it does work (most of the time), though eventually becoming ineffective with a side of brain-fog & aggression.

Even without the additional shady ingredients in that particular product, phenibut alone definitely does enhance cognition & energy; but rapidly builds tolerance & develops sloppy side-effects with any sort of continual use. As far as I know it's still being used by the Russian medical system, and I wouldn't be surprised at all to learn some RF troops are being turned into raged-out phenibut zombies by standard issue pep-pills.

Edit: Now I think on it, the behavior exhibited by Ivan's troops definitely does point towards drug/stimulant abuse being common. And I definitely don't figure they do urinalysis in the field (or even care), especially if it means they can keep a high optempo on the front & dwell times low in the rear. And it's even more likely Russian leadership is hoping all their drug addicts get killed, so they'll be kept on the line until that happens.
 
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Now I think on it, the behavior exhibited by Ivan's troops definitely does point towards drug/stimulant abuse being common.
Russians have never relinquished their love for stims, once they got introduced to the populace 30 years ago. Older generation loves vodka but youngsters love them bath salts and meth.

You think a Russian Zoomer grunt who killed for the first time isn't going to get himself strung on amphetamine?
 
Doesn't sound like either side is making very much progress, just about what I was expecting.
I uniroinically think the Ukies will retake Kherson in the next few months. It's situated on the wrong side of the Dnipro river which makes it a bitch for Russia to defend properly. Although I doubt the attackers will roll in with tanks in a glorious crusade to recapture territory. I think it'll be more like Kyiv where they wreak havoc on Russia's supply chains and make their situation in the region untenable, so they retreat from the front and pretend like they never wanted it in the first place.

Donbass I'm pessimistic about. Crimea is a pipedream that will probably never happen. Still, if you told me a year ago that Ukraine would be considering major offensives against the Russian military I would have called you a fucking retard who's living in a fantasy land. This has been a really weird year.
 
Regarding Mildronat, I remember getting ads for it on YouTube phone app back when they still advertised in Russia, you can just go and buy that shit.
I remember Russian athletes being banned from events for its use. I'm not sure whether it was legal all along, but it got great deal of promotion as a result of that controversy, the idea being "it's great and legal, so we dindu, Westerners are just being rusophobic".
 
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