Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[Jeep1971]

Maybe I'm an idiot, but I don't understand how courts work. Her last appeal was dismissed, but she's still allowed to ask for and submit another one? That wasn't even her first appeal, once or twice now she's gotten 'more time' and nothing has changed. She's just going to ask for infinite appeals until someone stops her or Archie goes downhill, which could take *years*. It makes even less sense in a post covid world, where medical personnel are more stressed and less available than ever. Someone tell this woman 'no' already.

Geez we don't need another damn Jahi saga. Would they allow her to take him home on life support like Mama Nails did?

 

[JudithGrimesHat]

Maybe I'm an idiot, but I don't understand how courts work. Her last appeal was dismissed, but she's still allowed to ask for and submit another one? That wasn't even her first appeal, once or twice now she's gotten 'more time' and nothing has changed. She's just going to ask for infinite appeals until someone stops her or Archie goes downhill, which could take *years*. It makes even less sense in a post covid world, where medical personnel are more stressed and less available than ever. Someone tell this woman 'no' already.

My understanding is that in the first judgement the NHS trust asked the court to rule that Archie was brain stem dead which the judge did. That decision was overturned upon appeal.

The trust then when back to court to ask the judge to rule whether or not it was in Archie’s best interest to remain on life support or to withdraw treatment. The judge ruled that treatment should be withdrawn. This is the subject of this second appeal.

Basically, the trust messed up their approach the first time they took it to court

 

[Wine em Dine em 69 em]

Assuming you mean Archie, he gives me That Kid vibes. You know what I mean, because every primary school class had one. That Kid who was too much of a spaz to ever play with anyone at recess, who always got the whole class in trouble for acting like a moron when there was a substitute teacher, who ruined every story your teacher read aloud with his asshole commentary, who destroyed your best art project or broke all the good crayons or took a running leap onto the timpani in music class* simply because he couldn't help himself, who had to go home early that one day because he stuck his little finger in the pencil sharpener and cranked it just to find out what would happen: That Kid.

None of the kids in class wanted to play with him because he'd inevitably end up hurting someone or getting everyone in trouble, none of the parents wanted him at birthday parties or sleepovers, and all the teachers fought over who had to have him in class each year. Sometimes That Kid mellowed out by high school, sometimes he found a niche with the other weirdos, and sometimes he ended up with a thing for setting fires and a litany of petty criminal offenses by his mid-twenties. Every That Kid was different, but every class had one.

It's actually really sad. I think the older Archie got, the more different he would have seemed from his peers. People say boys are easier than girls, and that boys are less mean to each other during early adolescence, but even boys will ostracize a peer whose best efforts at social interaction consist of frenetically punching everything in sight and attempting spinning high kicks at people's heads.

*That Kid in my class totally did this, and to this day, it's one of the most spectacular things I've ever heard. Good old Charles.

I try to be generous and think Holly was dealing with him the only way she knew how, by directing that energy into MMA or whatever she had going on.
As for Archie/Charlie, I’ve no excuse for getting that wrong. I like both names, and if you rearrange the letters they’re pretty similar I guess?
In any case, I sleep well at night here at the KF despite what certain Forums may think We want what’s best for the child. (And Holly and her family in a weird way because this is not healthy in the long run).

 

[Murder Bunny]

My understanding is that in the first judgement the NHS trust asked the court to rule that Archie was brain stem dead which the judge did. That decision was overturned upon appeal.

The trust then when back to court to ask the judge to rule whether or not it was in Archie’s best interest to remain on life support or to withdraw treatment. The judge ruled that treatment should be withdrawn. This is the subject of this second appeal.

Basically, the trust messed up their approach the first time they took it to court

To be entirely fair, Archie HAS been dead for months, so I can see how the Trust would have made the error.

 

[copacetic91]

Thinking about Archie and Hollie’s relationship, I think back to these excerpts from the July 11 hearing transcript.The whole thing is linked here. Highlights:

It strikes me as a weird kind of parentification almost, where this kid thinks that he is responsible for his mom’s well-being and safety. That’s a whole lot to put on a little guy, to think he is responsible for an adult. He needed to feel protected by her, not her by him. That kind of role reversal can really screw with a child’s head.

I don’t know if Hollie was the one telling him that he needed to protect her, or if Archie came up with it on his own, maybe with all of the tough guy MMA stuff, but either way, as a parent, Hollie’s job should have been to assure him that she was the responsible adult and he did not need to be her protector. Instead, she played into it. I think she failed him on that one.

 

[Vegetamite]

Thinking about Archie and Hollie’s relationship, I think back to these excerpts from the July 11 hearing transcript.The whole thing is linked here. Highlights:
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It strikes me as a weird kind of parentification almost, where this kid thinks that he is responsible for his mom’s well-being and safety. That’s a whole lot to put on a little guy, to think he is responsible for an adult. He needed to feel protected by her, not her by him. That kind of role reversal can really screw with a child’s head.

I don’t know if Hollie was the one telling him that he needed to protect her, or if Archie came up with it on his own, maybe with all of the tough guy MMA stuff, but either way, as a parent, Hollie’s job should have been to assure him that she was the responsible adult and he did not need to be her protector. Instead, she played into it. I think she failed him on that one.

Wouldn’t that be “enmeshment” which is a dysfunctional dynamic? To the surprise of no one, I’m sure. Not a med/psych fag though, so perhaps it only seems that way.

 

[everybody in Portugal]

It strikes me as a weird kind of parentification almost, where this kid thinks that he is responsible for his mom’s well-being and safety. That’s a whole lot to put on a little guy, to think he is responsible for an adult. He needed to feel protected by her, not her by him. That kind of role reversal can really screw with a child’s head.

Two words, one concept: covert incest.

ETA for those who haven't heard the term: I'm not saying she was diddling him, it's a recognised thing. Also known as 'emotional incest,' here is a rough primer from wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_incest?wprov=sfla1

 

[Resting Peach Face]

I don't think people saying negative things about her being a sex worker has anything to do with Christian moralism. It's not much different than a parent being an addict. They can still be a good person and not abusive but that doesn't mean it won't cause problems for the kid. There's always some neglect involved, as well as the kid being exposed to inappropriate things. Who knows what strange men she had around.

The whole pole dancer thing would almost certainly have had a huge impact on Archie's life outside the home, particularly once he reached (UK) high school age (which is from 11 to 16). He would have been known not only as "That Kid" but also the kid whose Mum was a stripper. Boys of that age make no distinction between a stripper & a prostitute, are sadly exposed to online porn and can be just as cruel as girls albeit in different ways. I have no doubt whatsoever that he was frequently teased/bullied about Hollie both in school and outside it.

 

[A Detachable Penis]

I know that kid. He's a regular at my house when he gets excluded from school and his mum still has to work.
I do worry for his future.

In a way, autism is often a blessing for boys instead of ADHD. For many, the inability to recognize and participate in the finer points of socialization means they literally don't give a shit what others think. Like, rationally they understand they're different and others think things about them, but they simply don't care.

(I swear, even those who do care tend to turn out better than the That Kid who had ADHD or FAS/D and isnt getting the right level of support).

Also, yikes to the transcript because that screams of emotional incest.

 

[Barbarella]

So, I’m truly confused. Was Hollie a stripper, at least in Archie’s lifetime? The article I read said she was teaching pole dancing classes. That was a very popular trend in California and AFAIK, the USA. It was short-lived but pole-dancing classes and studios were everywhere, and it was as harmless as Yoga. There was a minor sexual component as it was supposed to give you more confidence in that arena, but it was mostly fitness.

It was a trend that died quickly, I think because it took more upper body strength than most women have so it wasn’t a beginner exercise. Just a guess though, there have been quite a few fitness trends that have died out. Curves was another.

I wonder if people have confused the two things-being a stripper as opposed to teaching pole dance? Or if she was doing both things simultaneously? I really don’t know but the interview definitely stated her business was a trend she brought from the US.

I did notice that Archie was described as feeling the need to protect his mom. There was probably a lot of “you are the man of the house” going on. Single mothers can cross boundaries (with either sex) and tell their kid their problems and treat them more as a confidante, which is a terrible thing to do to a child. Way too much pressure for a kid to think he or she has to protect and help mom and worry about adult problems.

I don’t think Archie had a great life. If it was a true suicide, it’s really deeply sad that he couldn’t see a way out. Time would have helped, but not time the way his mother is insisting on.

 

[A tree]

So, I’m truly confused. Was Hollie a stripper, at least in Archie’s lifetime? The article I read said she was teaching pole dancing classes. That was a very popular trend in California and AFAIK, the USA. It was short-lived but pole-dancing classes and studios were everywhere, and it was as harmless as Yoga. There was a minor sexual component as it was supposed to give you more confidence in that arena, but it was mostly fitness.

It was a trend that died quickly, I think because it took more upper body strength than most women have so it wasn’t a beginner exercise. Just a guess though, there have been quite a few fitness trends that have died out. Curves was another.

I wonder if people have confused the two things-being a stripper as opposed to teaching pole dance? Or if she was doing both things simultaneously? I really don’t know but the interview definitely stated her business was a trend she brought from the US.

I did notice that Archie was described as feeling the need to protect his mom. There was probably a lot of “you are the man of the house” going on. Single mothers can cross boundaries (with either sex) and tell their kid their problems and treat them more as a confidante, which is a terrible thing to do to a child. Way too much pressure for a kid to think he or she has to protect and help mom and worry about adult problems.

I don’t think Archie had a great life. If it was a true suicide, it’s really deeply sad that he couldn’t see a way out. Time would have helped, but not time the way his mother is insisting on.

No she was a stripper. The pole dance teaching business was a short lived attempt to capitalise on pole dance when it was a new trend from america. Go right back thru the thread you'll find screenshots of her working at "gentleman's clubs" in Essex.

 

[CashMoney!]

Children are not pawns for adult games.

Fuckin' /endthread for that.

Hollie's emotional relationship with her son is concerning but very common. Pure speculation here but the added stress of Hollie's emotions on top of his may have been too much. At its worst he may have felt like a burden. Parents often choose one child to unload on and favour them for this dynamic. Common in single parent households where the mother in particular has mental health issues. Sad and heart breaking. Then again, the constant images of her child shirtless and doing tough things even in death could paint a picture of how she saw him. Not as a child but a "young man" doing masculine things. Further reading:

https://www.choosingtherapy.com/emotional-incest/

Too Close for Comfort - The Damage Caused by Covert Incest

When parents rely on children for the emotional support typically provided by a spouse, the impacts can be lifelong. Read about the effects of covert incest.

thedawnrehab.com

 

[trance_glory]

Adding some screen grab's I got of Hollie's FB before she scrubbed it.

Archie age 5 with no shoes and no top on in the street climbing a cash machine

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Post about the school situation

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Archie's punishment when he messed around in tutoring (this was when he didn't have a school place)

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Hollie's work history

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I made this post with screenshots of her FB before she made the whole thing private. (And I've seen lots of comments about us on other discussion forums in the last few days so I think we have a lot of new readers - hi!). I went through her entire public FB history before she locked it down and this is a decent summary of it. It was basically:

• Photos of Archie she's posted again since doing gym/MMA
• Lots of photos of her and Jeanette (from the This Morning interview) going out on the town with their arses barely covered
• Lots of those posts advertising the local 'Gentleman's Clubs'
• A couple of posts like that one with men calling her that suggests she also did dirty phone calls on the side

I have been wondering for a while with her discussing the phone calls in the bedroom in all the interviews if she was actually on a dirty phone call, Archie heard, it was the final straw and he thought "fuck this" and hung himself.

I also think Archie was absolutely right to be concerned about his mum and it also shows how discussing her sex work/ lap dancing absolutely is relevant, not to be moralising but its yet another indicator of what life was like for Archie. Doing that kind of work would have put Hollie at greater risk of physical and sexual assault from 'customers'. Who knows what Archie has experienced over the years related to her work - it could be overhearing her talking dodgy customers, knowing that she's getting random men phoning her, comments when they were out in public together.

With it being a night time industry it makes you wonder who was looking after Archie overnight. I suspect there was a lot of leaving him home with his teenage siblings. In the interview where she talked about him messing about with the dressing gown cord the night before, she says it was his sister Lauren who witnessed that, told him to stop and they ended up spending the evening together in her room watching films. I got the impression Hollie wasn't there that evening and she only found out about it later when Lauren told her.

 

[Carpe Jugulum]

We have another one but so far there’s been no names or media appearances (he can’t be named). Just one to watch incase we get another Hollie. I hope not, it’s terribly sad.

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[TopCat]

Here's a picture of Hollie cheerily grinning and holding two thumbs up for the camera, all while she's sat beside her gravely unwell son whose body is slowly rotting from the inside out.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

Oh shit my kid is That Kid.

Honestly, I think a lot of Beauty Parlorites were That Kid.

Also, I read an article once about a lady who got a corneal ulcer (an excruciatingly painful injury to the eye) after receiving one of those glittery Christmas cards. It was so severe that doctors initially thought she had herpes in her eye, and the paper said that if she hadn't presented to an ophthalmic emergency room specifically, she likely would have lost sight. If that doesn't make you cringe, you are a broken person. The cornea has the highest density of nerve endings in the entire body. Speaking from experience (I was That Kid and ran with a pinking shears as a toddler, do not recommend), even a microscopic corneal abrasion can be unimaginably painful, so a piece of plastic left in there must have been horrible. Article is in BMJ here, if you're curious.

I try to be generous and think Holly was dealing with him the only way she knew how, by directing that energy into MMA or whatever she had going on.
As for Archie/Charlie, I’ve no excuse for getting that wrong. I like both names, and if you rearrange the letters they’re pretty similar I guess?
In any case, I sleep well at night here at the KF despite what certain Forums may think We want what’s best for the child. (And Holly and her family in a weird way because this is not healthy in the long run).
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Archie/Charlie is an easy mistake to make. I think both names have the same "feel" and we were just talking about Charlie Gard.

 

[GenociderSyo]

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Here's a picture of Hollie cheerily grinning and holding two thumbs up for the camera, all while she's sat beside her gravely unwell son whose body is slowly rotting from the inside out.

Working on her thread now. Thank you for the perfect cover image.

 

[Flourishing Pinecone ❧]

We have another one but so far there’s been no names or media appearances (he can’t be named). Just one to watch incase we get another Hollie. I hope not, it’s terribly sad.

Rate me late if I missed it (forgetful)

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https://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2022/1873.html

Here is the judgement, I'm just having a read now.

 

[Fred the bald Eagle 1]

1. It is not necessary for me to consider, in this short extempore judgment, the circumstances which led to A's collapse, other than to say that between 12th and 13th June, skeletal survey X-rays were undertaken which showed multiple fractures throughout his skeleton and significant fractures to his ribs bilaterally. Most of the rib fractures appear to have callus formation which indicate that they preceded A's collapse. In addition to these fractures, retinal haemorrhages have been identified which are both bilateral and multifocal. I understand there are now proceedings in the family court in East London. The Local Authority, who has made the application in the family court, sought and was granted leave to intervene in this application.

Ouch. Later on there’s a point made about how loving and attentive the parents are.

Sounds like with being such a young child somehow his brain has adapted to recover some of his breathing drive. Still no chance of recovery though, although the judge has said no to the DNAR.

If the parents are cooperative with the medical team why has this gone to court? Is it because the child is under LA care with the ongoing investigation?

 

[Wine em Dine em 69 em]

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Here's a picture of Hollie cheerily grinning and holding two thumbs up for the camera, all while she's sat beside her gravely unwell son whose body is slowly rotting from the inside out.

Someone’s finally given her a makeover for her busy public appearance schedule.
I appreciate the non-Juicy outfit, but maybe something more uplifting than funereal black?
Question- with that linked DM article about the baby breathing on its own after being declared dead and failing the brain stem test, that doesn’t bode well for Archie being allowed a dignified ending does it?