Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

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Re Baby A.

(If there is one body of knowledge I could excise permanently from all I have ever learnt, it would be everything I know about the forensic investigation and dating of non accidental injuries to children.)

Mr Justice Hayden is being exceptionally careful in that judgement to imply absolutely nothing that could then be used in the separate proceedings (which will be care proceedings) to say that the fact finding therein has been in any way biased by statements made during these DNR proceedings.

Trying to get even a civil finding in care proceedings, let alone a criminal prosecution (lol), that a parent has caused a non accidental injury to a child is nightmarishly difficult. If the parents are able to come up with any conceiavble alternate mechanism of injury, even tbh some deeply unlikely ones, the court is always strongly inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt because an NAI finding is dynamite in terms of its consequences. An NAI finding in care proceedings will not only ensure there are grounds to never return the injured child to parental care, but also any siblings, and indeed any future children of the parents. The court scrutinises those cases most anxiously, and they always turn on the expert medical evidence, which is both difficult, expensive and time consuming to get. You end up in a face off of eminent experts, and if the court doesn't clearly prefer one expert's evidence to another, they simply will not make an NAI finding.

The other issue with NAI cases is that there is rarely one injury on its own that you are looking to prove. There are usually a constellation of injuries to different parts of the body, possibly with different mechanisms of injury (this is almost always true where there has been a pattern of violent abuse of the child) and often of different ages and at different stages of healing. It is in the interests of the authorities to get as many of those injuries into evidence as possible. It is much more difficult to explain 53 fractures in various stages of healing to your 10 week old daughter than just one fracture. (Yes, this was a case I dealt with, and no, I do not like to think about it much.)

In the Baby A case, it's not just the nature of the injuries (although rib fractures and retinal haemorrhaging always attract a high level of suspicion), it's the fact all those injuries are present together, at different stages of healing, that greatly raises the likelihood that they were inflicted non accidentally. The age of Baby A is also a Soviet-worthy red flag here. Any fractures in a child too young to be ambulatory is immediately suspicious. We have a vast amount of data on what is a "normal" frequency, severity and pattern of injury for kids at each age/stage of development. For example, between the ages of 2 and 3, a 'normally' ambulant toddler will sustain about 260 bruises. Almost one a day. But the pattern is consistent: the overwhelming majority of them are between knees and ankles, or on the front of the head down to the chin, and a few on elbows and forearms. This seems like a vast number, but think about it; toddlers fall down all the fucking time. Dozens of times a day. And they fall down pretty much the same way every time: they trip over something and bash their leg, or they fall right over it and bash that big ol' head of theirs. So a toddler who comes into A&E with two dozen bruises in various stages of healing, if those are small to moderate bruises and confined to the legs with maybe one or two to the cheek/forehead, doesn't trip any SUS ALARM because that's normal for a toddler. But if the two dozen bruises are on the back but the legs are pretty clear, that's weird and the A&E doctor will and should ask what happened there. (Not least because there may be underlying medical issues causing that bruising.)

Now, rib fractures, even in adults, are normally caused by external trauma. This isn't absolute by any means, but it's the most common method of injury. Baby A is listed as three months old, but presented unconscious - with some of those fractures already healing - on 10 June. So, if my finger-counting arithmetic is right, that puts him at about 8 weeks old max when he was presented to A&E. No eight week old is capable of any movement sufficient to break their ribs. They can't turn over unaided at that point, which is directly relevant here as the first likely explanation parents in these circumstances offer is "the baby rolled off the couch/changing table/etc". A baby too young to roll can't do that. (Sidenote: this injury in slightly older babies absolutely can be caused by rolling off from a height onto a hard floor. Please change your baby on a mat on the floor. The first time every parent learns every baby has learnt to roll over is in the split second they look away to grab the clean nappy.) So the fractures are sus on their own. The retinal haemorrhaging is a screaming sus alarm on its own. As are the massive brain injuries. Babies do not randomly self-injure to the point of near death, and it is very difficult for eight week old babies to get into the sort of accident that Archie Battersbee got into. Babies get hurt by other people. It is more likely than not (and that is the standard of proof for the care proceedings) that someone hurt this baby.

But the identity of the someone may well be in question. It is quite possible the parents are saying (and it may even be true, remember) that the baby was in the care of another person when the injuries were inflicted. (Further sidenote: if this is the case, the culprit is 99% of the time the mother's partner. If you have a small baby, leave off dating for quite a while. And be extremely fucking careful who you let babysit.) It is also possible, sadly, that a sibling is suspected. It is possible that the parents are guilty of terrible judgement or were tragically deceived about someone else's character, but have not in any way personally harmed the baby. But until there is a finding in the care proceedings about how Baby A got injured, and by who, Baby A cannot go home whilst he lives.

So everyone waits. And a baby will probably not live, and if he does, he will almost certainly not have any reasonable quality of life.

The whole business is just so fucking tragic. And avoidable.
 
Yea I found it quite odd that they specifically talk of traumatic injuries seen in shaking then go loving parents. Rib fractures are ususally a dead give away that SOMETHING happened to a child that age.
Can you contact D4All as soon as your able please

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The nurses saying “he doesn’t like his right side” was definitely a flippant non-literal comment - caters and healthcare workers say things like this constantly when dealing with ill and dying people. Shit, even undertakers talk this way. She’s very dense and unable to discern literal comments/observations from analogies/metaphors/flippant comments
 
The screenshot about the education battle is interesting. She's clearly not been very trusting of the system for a good few years now so it's really not that surprising that she's ended up in this position where she thinks the hospital, and possibly the court, is against her essentially
Do we have a tally of the legal proceedings she’s been involved in to date? Must be near double digits.
 
Who is that girl she is dancing with? It was 4 years ago, apparently, but she’s wearing the same clothes we’ve seen before. Girl likes track suits. I thought it was the hospital at first, and was pretty appalled she’d do that near her dead kid, but then I checked the date. So, maybe a school building? Archie was about 7 then, and his mother was acting like that? I mean, you don’t lose your sexuality when becoming a mother, but putting it online where your kid can see may not be smart.

Not that anybody could accuse her of intelligence.

So those screenshots had no context, is she a 5g conspiracy person now, or were those old to show she wasn't religious? I don’t think she said she was, she said Archie was. I’m slightly confused about why they were posted like that. @Radiatorgameisoff
 
Would this be the right thread for discussing mommy vloggers who exploit their (non-tard) disabled kids for views?
I know of a woman who started as just a regular teen/young mom vlogger, years later she ended up having a son with a genetic disorder and facing a lot of backlash for not giving him (or her other kids) privacy with his health. She said she would stop talking so much about her kids' health and do better about respecting their privacy. For a while, she did. But her most recent video was all about her son's doctor appointment to update the viewers. She was talking to the camera about testing her son would need, you could hear him asking her questions about it and she just told him she would talk to him about it later. You'd think reassuring your child would be more of a priority than the camera, which will be there later.
 
The nurses saying “he doesn’t like his right side” was definitely a flippant non-literal comment - caters and healthcare workers say things like this constantly when dealing with ill and dying people. Shit, even undertakers talk this way. She’s very dense and unable to discern literal comments/observations from analogies/metaphors/flippant comments
Also she shows really obvious splitting (Nurses good, Doctors bad), and sometimes it's fine to tolerate that kind of dynamic because at least you can form some kind of therapeutic alliance with the family/patient.

If the Nurses strictly toed the line the Doctors are (constantly) telling her, she would feel like nobody is "on her side" and would lead to more meltdowns. This is more important when this is the patient and they want to discharge against medical advice because they have fear & distrust of the hospital system.
And it's exceptionally challenging because they push and push and push until you give in and say ok fine go home, then they feel like all of their distrust was warranted and you've just proven them right.
 
Britney/Brittany Sills Morrow, aka britneyandbaby, is an influencer/youtube mommy "lifestyle" vlogger. She's been in plenty of drama (divorce, Young Living, etc) but has mostly moved on to sponsorships and selling custom etched glasses with her husband Frank Morrow.
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This is a pretty long video and not all of the information is correct, but it's worth skipping to 20:42 for the discussion about her son Nolan. Later it also discusses her exploiting her other childrens' injuries for her vlogs.

Britney's second-oldest child is named Nolan; he was born in 2014. He was diagnosed with Duchenne muscular dystrophy. This is a terminal genetic disorder; treatment has improved over time, but it's still rare for patients to live beyond their early 30s.
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She proceeded to have another child with her partner at the time Ean (pronounced like Ian, just spelled dumb), and two more with her second husband Frank. Britney is the carrier for the mutated gene, meaning any of the three following children could have had DMD. The sex of their fifth and final child was allegedly a surprise until the birth. This is either a total lie for the audience or pure irresponsibility since DMD is almost exclusive to men. Their fifth child, Fletcher, ended up being male but thankfully did not have DMD. Carriers of DMD are also at higher risk of cardiomyopathy.

When Britney and Frank had their custom "dream home" built, there was nothing factored in about having a disabled child. If you are having everything in your home built, why would you build it to not be accessible for your own son? He is currently 7-8, so he will likely be needing a wheelchair within ~5 years. Britney's attitude towards disability is also pretty toxic ("Nolan isn't disabled because he's capable of so many things") but that's her problem.
There are some theories that Frank, who is apparently a traditional-leaning religious person, believes they can pray away Nolan's DMD.

Britney has also allegedly used Nolan's disability to scam money from her followers. She made merch, said all of the money would go to the Muscular Dystrophy Association, but there is some doubt. The MDA charity sent Britney a cease and desist to get her to stop the fundraising campaign.

Brittany said she would be no longer sharing about Nolan's health other than important updates to give him some privacy. Today she posted this video. Note the clickbait title for a very boring video.
I linked to a specific time where she's talking about Nolan needing a test. In the background, you can hear him saying "what test? what kind? will it hurt?" and her response is to tell him she will talk to him in a second. She does a dramatic sigh, like her child being nervous is a personal inconvenience. Immediately after that, she included something from where she was secretly recording a conversation with a doctor.

Britney might not be as bad as Hollie or Robyn, but the way she treats Nolan has always pissed me off.
 
The nurses saying “he doesn’t like his right side” was definitely a flippant non-literal comment - caters and healthcare workers say things like this constantly when dealing with ill and dying people. Shit, even undertakers talk this way. She’s very dense and unable to discern literal comments/observations from analogies/metaphors/flippant comments

It’s my understanding that doctors will often tell high bp/cardio patients to lay/sleep on their left side. Easier on the heart or something. So this might be a sign that Archie’s heart is weakening.

To the point of doctors/judges who deal with abused kids; I used to know a lawyer who represented abused kids for the county in proceedings against their parents. He was the only person I ever met who really relished his work. Watching him prepare and work a case was like watching a movie about General Patton, the man just wanted to get in there and ruin the lives of abusive parents and he was very very good at it.

I moved away from there but far as I know dude is still kicking ass and taking names.
 
Britney/Brittany Sills Morrow, aka britneyandbaby, is an influencer/youtube mommy "lifestyle" vlogger. She's been in plenty of drama (divorce, Young Living, etc) but has mostly moved on to sponsorships and selling custom etched glasses with her husband Frank Morrow.
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This is a pretty long video and not all of the information is correct, but it's worth skipping to 20:42 for the discussion about her son Nolan. Later it also discusses her exploiting her other childrens' injuries for her vlogs.

Britney's second-oldest child is named Nolan; he was born in 2014. He was diagnosed with Duchenne muscular dystrophy. This is a terminal genetic disorder; treatment has improved over time, but it's still rare for patients to live beyond their early 30s.
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She proceeded to have another child with her partner at the time Ean (pronounced like Ian, just spelled dumb), and two more with her second husband Frank. Britney is the carrier for the mutated gene, meaning any of the three following children could have had DMD. The sex of their fifth and final child was allegedly a surprise until the birth. This is either a total lie for the audience or pure irresponsibility since DMD is almost exclusive to men. Their fifth child, Fletcher, ended up being male but thankfully did not have DMD. Carriers of DMD are also at higher risk of cardiomyopathy.

When Britney and Frank had their custom "dream home" built, there was nothing factored in about having a disabled child. If you are having everything in your home built, why would you build it to not be accessible for your own son? He is currently 7-8, so he will likely be needing a wheelchair within ~5 years. Britney's attitude towards disability is also pretty toxic ("Nolan isn't disabled because he's capable of so many things") but that's her problem.
There are some theories that Frank, who is apparently a traditional-leaning religious person, believes they can pray away Nolan's DMD.

Britney has also allegedly used Nolan's disability to scam money from her followers. She made merch, said all of the money would go to the Muscular Dystrophy Association, but there is some doubt. The MDA charity sent Britney a cease and desist to get her to stop the fundraising campaign.

Brittany said she would be no longer sharing about Nolan's health other than important updates to give him some privacy. Today she posted this video. Note the clickbait title for a very boring video.
I linked to a specific time where she's talking about Nolan needing a test. In the background, you can hear him saying "what test? what kind? will it hurt?" and her response is to tell him she will talk to him in a second. She does a dramatic sigh, like her child being nervous is a personal inconvenience. Immediately after that, she included something from where she was secretly recording a conversation with a doctor.

Britney might not be as bad as Hollie or Robyn, but the way she treats Nolan has always pissed me off.
These moms are all the same. Number of actual children and husband's may vary,but they are pretty much all MLM-hun slags that vomit the same phrases.
 
Britney has also allegedly used Nolan's disability to scam money from her followers. She made merch, said all of the money would go to the Muscular Dystrophy Association, but there is some doubt. The MDA charity sent Britney a cease and desist to get her to stop the fundraising campaign.
When the foundation sends you a cease and desist thers definitely something going on will check this one out later. Thank you for a new lolcow mother to look at!
 
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