Serious LGBT Discussion

[Noir drag freak]

I find you doding the questions and responsabilities to be annoying. Let me put it to you in another way, separate from any actual politics.

There's a wonderful show on Amazon Prime called "The Expanse". In the third or fourth season of the Expanse, the political powers of Earth, Mars, and the Outer Planet's Alliance (OPA Henceforth) are all at each other's throats. In recent months, humanity has encountered its first contact with anything truly alien, and now that alien has constructed a giant fucking ring in the middle of the solar system and no one knows what's happening.

Earth and Mars, the two super powers in the solar system are there because they don't know what this gate is, and they want to find out and keep people away from it. The OPA is there, becuas they want to be taken seriously as a third super power and have a seat at the table with everyone else.

Shit kinda goes down and the Gunship Rocinante which flies for the OPA seemingly blows up an Earth based ship full of diplomats. Then broadcasts a message claiming that the Ring belongs to The Belt and by virtue of that The OPA.

Meanwhile, on the Behemoth, the flagship of the OPA, command is in crisis because the OPA most certainly did not make that claim, and yet Earth and Mars have now targetted them with Railguns and Torepedos and if they fire on the Behemoth, they will die. They broadcast to the command staff of the OPA that in sixty seconds, they will shoot the Behemoth and kill them all.

The XO of the Behemoth, an experienced Pirate named Ashford tells the Captain, Camina Drumer, that she should target lock the Rocinante, and destroy it. Camina and her head Engineer (the former Engineer of the Rocinante) both protest this, claiming that they didn't send the message and wouldn't.

Ashford wisley responds "That doesn't matter. What matters is they gave us one minue."

How this relates to you is simple:

Like in the example above, it doesn't really matter how "Most Gays" or "Most Blacks" or "Most anything" feel about the situations they find themselves in. The reality is, its their problem to deal with in a certain amount of time, before everyone else decides to open up with Railguns and PDCs.

If gays want to be taken seriously, they need to deal with the activists. If blacks want to be taken seriously, they need to deal with the gang bangers and 70% of their households not having a husband or significant male figure. If Latinos want to be taken seriously, they need to encourage their families in Mexico to stop violating immigration laws.

Because, regardless of how "tedious" you find the argument, every second you spend making excuses as to why not dealing with your own house isn't your problem, and complaining that they don't speak with you, is another second everyone else sees another ship flying your colors blowing up our diplomats, and in sixty seconds, we're gonna be in Hammerlock range and then, it'll be too late.

If shit blows up, it blows up. Like what is straight society going to do that they haven’t done? Not to pl, but I have money and looks. I can always leave the country or go to certain areas. I’m not dodging responsibility. I’m just not going to waste my time arguing over foolish stuff. Do you think that the elite of any group cares if their compatriots are suffering? No, they all live in their gated communities. Wealthy white westerns included. Do Harvard educated whites with elite care about the actions of working class whites dying because of meth? If elite whites or elites of any group ignores their brethren lower on the status ladder, then why shouldn’t I? the poor or foolish die because of their own stupidity, let them. I’m responsible for own life and actions. It’s not dodging responsibility, it’s about controlling my own life.


About the Mexicans and immigration, most of the illegal immigrants are from South American countries.

 

[Abbadon's Gate]

If shit blows up, it blows up. Like what is straight society going to do that they haven’t done? Not to pl, but I have money and looks. I can always leave the country or go to certain areas. I’m not dodging responsibility. I’m just not going to waste my time arguing over foolish stuff. Do you think that the elite of any group cares if their compatriots are suffering? No, they all live in their gated communities. Wealthy white westerns included. Do Harvard educated whites with elite care about the actions of working class whites dying because of meth? If elite whites or elites of any group ignores their brethren lower on the status ladder, then why shouldn’t I? the poor or foolish die because of their own stupidity, let them. I’m responsible for own life and actions. It’s not dodging responsibility, it’s about controlling my own life.


About the Mexicans and immigration, most of the illegal immigrants are from South American countries.

Can you? Do you? What do you do when people get tired of your shit and decide, "You know what, your travel documents to leave the country? Invalid. Your money and assets? Frozen." Your looks? I'm glad you're confident that they'll get you through everything, but in regards to my long winded metaphor, what happens if "Hammerlock" comes in twenty years? What if you get in a wreck tomorrow and no longer have your looks?

You dodge the responsability you have to your own people by saying "The people who are just pretending to be us, but aren't don't care." and then by extension have decided that you also don't care, and so you are independent from the flock, even if the rest of the world and all of its masses don't see it that way.

Nothing is solely ever been about managing your own life. See, that's the real lie they feed you, the trick. If you lived alone, off the grid, in some country with no over sight and no one else around for thousands of miles and no way to contact you, then you'd be right. For everyone else in reality, you're wrong.

You are, regardless of how you feel about it, apart of something bigger, either because you actually are, or because you are implicitly. Its not just the elites who don't care about how you feel about it. Its the masses that bend and sway longside them, and frankly, those masses don't really care about those elites in their gated communities either as long as the food gets delivered to the grocery store and the air conditioning still works.

The only real option is to accept that no matter what, you will be judged along side which ever "other" you become associated with, and do your best to strengthen those bonds and improve that group. The problem with faggots, and people like yourself, is that you've become deluded into thinking that isn't the case, when it is, and always has been, and will always be.

Also, sperg, no one actually cares where the immigrants are coming from. No one cares about what actually is anything. Perception is the issue. The only issues anyone has with Mexicans are MS-13 and Illegal Immigration, it doesn't matter if the immigrants are really descendents of the third reich moving up through Mexico into the United States. The only fact that matters in that entire exchange is the part where they're coming through Mexico, which means Mexicans and Mexico are largely to blame.

 

[Dlagonrold]

For the record, we're now up to about 90 days of LGBTIA+ Awareness per year.

https://www.cod.edu/student_life/resources/lgbtq/awareness.aspx

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Marriage is and always has been throughout history and across cultures and civilizations a social contract to secure the succesful and prosperous continuation of society, by ensuring a stable and economically feasible enviroment to make and raise healthy kids.

There's a reason that institution popped literally everywhere even in cultures that never contacted one another as far back as recorded history (and probably even before that).

Back in the day church had more or equal power to the state which is why it was a religious instution, as soon as the state got more power, it was passed on to the state to continue carrying the torch.

Tax breaks and economic incetives exist purely for this reason. They are given to couples with the hope that they will pay them back in the long term by taking advantage of them to produce kids to contribute to society after said couple is unable to.

Sodomites demanting they be allowed to marry are literally asking to have their cake and eat it too.

Marriage is not a free money hack. Its not a proclemation of how much you "love" covering your penis in feces, nor is it a "right" you're entitled to, its a pillar of stable society you're trying to worm your way into when its clearly wasn't made for you.

 

[Noir drag freak]

Can you? Do you? What do you do when people get tired of your shit and decide, "You know what, your travel documents to leave the country? Invalid. Your money and assets? Frozen." Your looks? I'm glad you're confident that they'll get you through everything, but in regards to my long winded metaphor, what happens if "Hammerlock" comes in twenty years? What if you get in a wreck tomorrow and no longer have your looks?

You dodge the responsability you have to your own people by saying "The people who are just pretending to be us, but aren't don't care." and then by extension have decided that you also don't care, and so you are independent from the flock, even if the rest of the world and all of its masses don't see it that way.

Nothing is solely ever been about managing your own life. See, that's the real lie they feed you, the trick. If you lived alone, off the grid, in some country with no over sight and no one else around for thousands of miles and no way to contact you, then you'd be right. For everyone else in reality, you're wrong.

You are, regardless of how you feel about it, apart of something bigger, either because you actually are, or because you are implicitly. Its not just the elites who don't care about how you feel about it. Its the masses that bend and sway longside them, and frankly, those masses don't really care about those elites in their gated communities either as long as the food gets delivered to the grocery store and the air conditioning still works.

The only real option is to accept that no matter what, you will be judged along side which ever "other" you become associated with, and do your best to strengthen those bonds and improve that group. The problem with faggots, and people like yourself, is that you've become deluded into thinking that isn't the case, when it is, and always has been, and will always be.

Also, sperg, no one actually cares where the immigrants are coming from. No one cares about what actually is anything. Perception is the issue. The only issues anyone has with Mexicans are MS-13 and Illegal Immigration, it doesn't matter if the immigrants are really descendents of the third reich moving up through Mexico into the United States. The only fact that matters in that entire exchange is the part where they're coming through Mexico, which means Mexicans and Mexico are largely to blame.

That’s moving. But I’m very much into Atlas Shrugged.

Marriage is and always has been throughout history and across cultures and civilizations a social contract to secure the succesful and prosperous continuation of society, by ensuring a stable and economically feasible enviroment to make and raise healthy kids.

There's a reason that institution popped literally everywhere even in cultures that never contacted one another as far back as recorded history (and probably even before that).

Back in the day church had more or equal power to the state which is why it was a religious instution, as soon as the state got more power, it was passed on to the state to continue carrying the torch.

Tax breaks and economic incetives exist purely for this reason. They are given to couples with the hope that they will pay them back in the long term by taking advantage of them to produce kids to contribute to society after said couple is unable to.

Sodomites demanting they be allowed to marry are literally asking to have their cake and eat it too.

Marriage is not a free money hack. Its not a proclemation of how much you "love" covering your penis in feces, nor is it a "right" you're entitled to, its a pillar of stable society you're trying to worm your way into when its clearly wasn't made for you.

Part of the problem is that people are forgetting that marriage was never about romantic companionship. Sometimes, this discussion feels very middle class.

Also, homosexual males make more money on average. They also work longer hours since they have no wife and children to care for. The only thing that I desire is a way to protect my assets. But that could be done by legal work or other means. Your argument sound very socialist. Why should wealthy people or homosexuals subsidize the society?

 

[9Style]

The way I see it, the LGBT political movement is linked directly to Post Modernism. This can be explained by the existence of TERFs. Previously Women(especially gay women) in Post Modernist thought, were at the top of the oppressive stack. With the rise of trannies, Women in the feminist circles realized they are losing power under the Post Modernist axis of Oppressed/Oppressor, and the Women who are standing up are being labelled TERFs.

But the TERFs, are too stupid to realize their continued worship of the Post Modernist ideology, is the reason they are in the position they are now. They refuse to drop the Oppressed/Oppressor dichotomy. All they can do is rage about how they lost their power.

 

[Noir drag freak]

The way I see it, the LGBT political movement is linked directly to Post Modernism. This can be explained by the existence of TERFs. Previously Women(especially gay women) in Post Modernist thought, were at the top of the oppressive stack. With the rise of trannies, Women in the feminist circles realized they are losing power under the Post Modernist axis of Oppressed/Oppressor, and the Women who are standing up are being labelled TERFs.

But the TERFs, are too stupid to realize their continued worship of the Post Modernist ideology, is the reason they are in the position they are now. They refuse to drop the Oppressed/Oppressor dichotomy. All they can do is rage about how they lost their power.

I want to go with Leasch that modern condition created the war of all against all. The oppressed/oppressor dichotomy doesn’t gel in my experience. Women are mad at men for a number of reasons. Men are mad at women for the very reasons. I think it’s the same in the LGBT community. The activist class is just taking advantage of all our anger for power.

We’re all fighting for power and some form of recognition. We also live in an age of low social trust. If you can’t trust your community, the social institutions, or even your government, you might as well take all the power and money you can.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Also, homosexual males make more money on average. They also work longer hours since they have no wife and children to care for. The only thing that I desire is a way to protect my assets. But that could be done by legal work or other means. Your argument sound very socialist. Why should wealthy people or homosexuals subsidize the society?

First of all homosexuals are 0.3% of the population, they're not subsidizing shit, and the damage they're doing by grooming kids is a bigger drain on society than anything they could possibly contribute.

Second of all, society needs kids, preferably physically and mentally healthy ones, to carry it on after this generation is gone and as a side effect those kids are also going to be subsidizing the current generation when it gets too unable to take care of itself.

Again, marriage is not a free money hack, its a subsidy to ensure the smooth continuation of society.

Also yes, my argument does sound very socialist. Why do you think all socialist/communist states put sodomites in camps?

 

[Noir drag freak]

First of all homosexuals are 0.3% of the population, they're not subsidizing shit, and the damage they're doing by grooming kids is a bigger drain on society than anything they could possibly contribute.

Second of all, society needs kids, preferably physically and mentally healthy ones, to carry it on after this generation is gone and as a side effect those kids are also going to be subsidizing the current generation when it gets too unable to take care of itself.

Again, marriage is not a free money hack, its a subsidy to ensure the smooth continuation of society.

Also yes, my argument does sound very socialist. Why do you think all socialist/communist states put sodomites in camps?

Socialist put homosexuals for a variety of reasons. They also put religious groups in camps. But I agree with your overall argument.

I know people like to assume that all members of the LGBT community are woke SJWs begging or forcing people for acceptance. Or want to subvert normal society because of ressentiment. That is not my dream or vision for a male homosexual identity.

Besides, it feels most of the movement for LGBT are done by heterosexuals who say that they’re queer.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I also know of some homosexuals who oppose the concept of gay marriage, not always for the same reasons why religious people do.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

I also know of some homosexuals who oppose the concept of gay marriage, not always for the same reasons why religious people do.

I'm curious, why do they? The only reason that comes to mind is that they think its better for long term acceptance if they keep themselves out of the public eye than push their luck as far as it can go since more exposure also means more pushback.

 

[WULULULULU]

Marriage has always been man and woman. End of story. Gay marriage is a farce.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I'm curious, why do they? The only reason that comes to mind is that they think its better for long term acceptance if they keep themselves out of the public eye than push their luck as far as it can go since more exposure also means more pushback.

They flat-out admit to not wanting to abide by the same oaths/promises that heterosexual couples do when they get married, and they don't want homosexuality to be included in that institution out of a belief that there would be pressure on them to stay monogamous and not be sex-obsessed. I think a few even admit that homosexuality is much more fun when it's not mainstream.

As disgusting as I find that, I give them points for being honest about the fact that fags in general aren't interested in marriage beyond the financial benefits. It's also an implicit admission that homosexuality is an alternative lifestyle. You know, something that was obvious to most people before moonbats started pushing the ridiculous notion that homosexual "love" is even remotely comparable or equal to heterosexual love.

It's like what I've mentioned several times: the gay rights movement as a whole should have just been happy at being able to cohabitate in peace without the police barging into their bedrooms. But NOOOOO.

 

[Noir drag freak]

They flat-out admit to not wanting to abide by the same oaths/promises that heterosexual couples do when they get married, and they don't want homosexuality to be included in that institution out of a belief that there would be pressure on them to stay monogamous and not be sex-obsessed. I think a few even admit that homosexuality is much more fun when it's not mainstream.

As disgusting as I find that, I give them points for being honest about the fact that fags in general aren't interested in marriage beyond the financial benefits. It's also an implicit admission that homosexuality is an alternative lifestyle. You know, something that was obvious to most people before moonbats started pushing the ridiculous notion that homosexual "love" is even remotely comparable or equal to heterosexual love.

It's like what I've mentioned several times: the gay rights movement as a whole should have just been happy at being able to cohabitate in peace without the police barging into their bedrooms. But NOOOOO.

Why should the the gays be content to live on the tolerance or acceptance of straight people? Forget about the gay marriage discussion. Why we should be happy that the police doesn’t harass us? No group of people wants that. That’s why people fight wars. I’m happy to agree to disagree with you.

About those views of the people you talked to, I feel that the middle class doesn’t do homosexuality very well. It seems like they’re rebelling against the 1950s nuclear family. Basically, they’re playing to the idea that to be a homosexual you have to go to discos and bathhouses. I prefer the early 20th model of homosexuality.

I guess this could be a great way to shift topics. I want to talk the beautiful, elitist world of the late 19th and early 20th century homosexuality.

https://youtu.be/FzPzb3exfVc

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Socialist put homosexuals for a variety of reasons. They also put religious groups in camps. But I agree with your overall argument.

I know people like to assume that all members of the LGBT community are woke SJWs begging or forcing people for acceptance. Or want to subvert normal society because of ressentiment. That is not my dream or vision for a male homosexual identity.

Besides, it feels most of the movement for LGBT are done by heterosexuals who say that they’re queer.

You say you don't agree with the modern alphabet activism that just want to subvert normal society out of spite for normalcy. If you're against it without being anti alphabet as a whole, then what is your vision of "male homosexual identity"?

 

[Abbadon's Gate]

Why should the the gays be content to live on the tolerance or acceptance of straight people? Forget about the gay marriage discussion. Why we should be happy that the police doesn’t harass us? No group of people wants that. That’s why people fight wars. I’m happy to agree to disagree with you.

About those views of the people you talked to, I feel that the middle class doesn’t do homosexuality very well. It seems like they’re rebelling against the 1950s nuclear family. Basically, they’re playing to the idea that to be a homosexual you have to go to discos and bathhouses. I prefer the early 20th model of homosexuality.

I guess this could be a great way to shift topics. I want to talk the beautiful, elitist world of the late 19th and early 20th century homosexuality.

https://youtu.be/FzPzb3exfVc

Because they do already. All of the LGBTQ population is 5% of the population. If we're counting just gays, or just lesbians, the population is almost as irrelevant as the amount of people who died in Covid.

They literally only exist based on the tolerance and acceptance of everyone else. Are you really this disconnected from reality?

 

[Noir drag freak]

You say you don't agree with the modern alphabet activism that just want to subvert normal society out of spite for normalcy. If you're against it without being anti alphabet as a whole, then what is your vision of "male homosexual identity"?

Personally, I prefer not to think about heterosexual people or normal society. In my experience. Most people tend to naturally segregate so that is really not hard to do. I find that the people who are crazy into activism or political movements, because of backlash to their religious/conservative upbringing. Or they’re just looking for meaning and belonging. It also works for conservatives movements too.

The best thing to do is just live life. Life is suffering after all.

Because they do already. All of the LGBTQ population is 5% of the population. If we're counting just gays, or just lesbians, the population is almost as irrelevant as the amount of people who died in Covid.

They literally only exist based on the tolerance and acceptance of everyone else. Are you really this disconnected from reality?

No, I’m just really inspired by ethnonationalism and racial segregation to be honest. If I could I would build my own homosexual territory. It’s not so much I’m disconnected from reality, it’s just that I think that everyone should have the right to group self determination. This goes for Christians, whites, blacks, and Moslems.

 

[Abbadon's Gate]

Personally, I prefer not to think about heterosexual people or normal society. In my experience. Most people tend to naturally segregate so that is really not hard to do. I find that the people who are crazy into activism or political movements, because of backlash to their religious/conservative upbringing. Or they’re just looking for meaning and belonging. It also works for conservatives movements too.

The best thing to do is just live life. Life is suffering after all.




No, I’m just really inspired by ethnonationalism and racial segregation to be honest. If I could I would build my own homosexual territory. It’s not so much I’m disconnected from reality, it’s just that I think that everyone should have the right to group self determination.

Ah, so you are actually, completely disconnected from reality.

 

[FeatherPlucker]

You say you don't agree with the modern alphabet activism that just want to subvert normal society out of spite for normalcy. If you're against it without being anti alphabet as a whole, then what is your vision of "male homosexual identity"?

Women are "stupid brood mares" who conveniently die young in childbirth, while men are for loving.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Why should the the gays be content to live on the tolerance or acceptance of straight people?

Every minority lives on the tolerance (at least mere tolerance) of the majority whether you like it or not. Fags don't really have a choice but to live on the tolerance/acceptance of those who are actually capable of carrying society.

It's extremely narcissistic to assume that you can just piss that goodwill away and not suffer for it. That when you do piss that goodwill away and invoke the wrath of everyone else, that it's not your own damned fault.

No, I’m just really inspired by ethnonationalism and racial segregation to be honest. If I could I would build my own homosexual territory. It’s not so much I’m disconnected from reality, it’s just that I think that everyone should have the right to group self determination. This goes for Christians, whites, blacks, and Moslems.

LMAO, what makes you think you can maintain a population without the help of straight people?

Even with artificial means of reproduction, fags have a very low incentive to reproduce, and many still piss their fertile years away. And any child born to, or adopted by gay couples, tend to suffer the same problems as those raised by single mothers, at best.

It's no wonder they groom kids, their only means of "reproduction" is to corrupt what already exists, like a virus.