Orbiter Isabella Loretta Janke / Maxine Sidero / Bella / Kelly Osborn / @10anon - "The Final Troll of Christory", Animal Abuser, Discord Wannabe Cult Leader, Crusty Suicide Goblin, Estrogen Dispenser

[BillTheButcher]

Can't forget the spoiled Chinese boys that are sent to "college" and essentially just wear designer clothes, drive cars worth more than their teacher's yearly salaries, and fuck around America for a few years before being dragged home for a position in their family company.

Bella grew up privileged with busy parents that threw money at her as a way to keep her busy/ happy rather than actually parent her. She grew up on 4chan and lolcow with no supervision. Had they been responsible, that would have checked her internet history and cut it down the moment they saw what she was posting as a teen.

Parents these days are either lazy ir afraid of being accused of being "controlling" by monitoring their internet history .

Slight powerlevel but I had a coworker that fought with her daughter all the time about it. Daughter called her "abusive" for blocking certain websites (at age 13) and banning social media until she was in high school. There were fights but the girl grew up to be a pretty good person and actually agrees with her mother as an adult.

Don't let the internet raise your kids. You could get a lolcow or a fungus to be stuck with for life

With everything I've seen and been part of on the internet, there's absofuckinlutely no chance my kids gets unmonitored social media before high school, and im debating about how I will go about letting my kid access the internet in general.

Even my dad had the sense to give me access in waves. Started on dialup, only was allowed aol kids access and AIM. Graduated to teen access in like middle school, and eventually had full access well before HS.

Although I still think being hitler about the internet could have an opposite, rebellious ulterior effect; im also terrified of my hypothetical child seeing the shit I did at such an early age. And the crazy thing is, there was nothing my dad could have done that would have prevented it. The best thing I ever had with my dad was an open communication. I knew I could tell him I stumbled on some scary shit, and he wouldn't be mad. We would just talk about it; which In general, I think is the way to go.

Never create a relationship with your kid in that they feel the need to hide shit out of fear. I almost felt relieved with the fact I knew I could tell him anything, and he would make sense of it for me. Like a Mexican cartel member getting his head chainsawed off because snitches get chainstitchs.

 

[AnOminous]

I'm serious, look for the watches. In the tech world, the people making mid-high six figures often don't wear them because a five-figure watch shows that you're poor.

That's a very nouveau-riche attitude.

Although I still think being hitler about the internet could have an opposite, rebellious ulterior effect; im also terrified of my hypothetical child seeing the shit I did at such an early age.

Even if they do they've still learned the lesson that some things are shameful and if you must do them, keep them to yourself. Shame is a good thing we need to bring back, and the lack of it is the prime thing that makes a lolcow, not any other single secondary trait.

Never create a relationship with your kid in that they feel the need to hide shit out of fear. I almost felt relieved with the fact I knew I could tell him anything, and he would make sense of it for me. Like a Mexican cartel member getting his head chainsawed off because snitches get chainstitchs.

It shouldn't be fear, but it's inevitable that any clear restriction that is monitored to at least the degree necessary to make sure your kids aren't getting groomed by pedos and troons (but I repeat myself) will nearly ensure that they'll sneak around these restrictions at some point, and if they're not mongos, probably get away with it at least sometimes.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

The best thing I ever had with my dad was an open communication. I knew I could tell him I stumbled on some scary shit, and he wouldn't be mad. We would just talk about it; which In general, I think is the way to go.

Thats the way to go, frankly.

Imo theres two things you should do. Gage your kids internet usage (only for a few hours a day, weekends free- things like that) and then keep open communication.

The internet frankly is required for socialization in this day and age. Even things like tiktok, instagram, or twitter may be required, otherwise your kid could be socially stunted. Id get delaying these things till high school, but at the same time- there are kids who are basically web-virgins, get onto the web, and have no idea how to handle themselves that wind up having their own problems as well.

The best thing that you can do is to actually take an interest in your kids life online. A huge part of what boomers did (and Gex X to a degree) was raise their kids on television. Parents who try the same thing with the internet are making a huge mistake. The internet is not television, it takes an active role in your kids life, and it is entirely vis-a-vis.

Know what your kids are doing. Be open about things, be a person your kids can come to. Teach your kids internet etiquette. Teach your kids internet safety. Give them the internet, but also emphasis other hobbies and the importance of avoiding addiction and having goals in real life as well that are realistic to obtain. Honestly, an hour or two of the internet in the evening, but otherwise youre playing with your kid in real life, is probably best. Going cold turkey though can also have its own problems. People do need to learn about the internet, from a young age as well- and to dip their toes in it.

The key thing is to a) not thrust your kid immediately into the deep end with no supervision, and b) to gradually introduce your kid to the internet in steps, and with advice on everything.

 

[Von Wolf Demon]

Know what your kids are doing. Be open about things, be a person your kids can come to. Teach your kids internet etiquette. Teach your kids internet safety. Give them the internet, but also emphasis other hobbies and the importance of avoiding addiction and having goals in real life as well that are realistic to obtain. Honestly, an hour or two of the internet in the evening, but otherwise youre playing with your kid in real life, is probably best. Going cold turkey though can also have its own problems. People do need to learn about the internet, from a young age as well- and to dip their toes in it.

The key thing is to a) not thrust your kid immediately into the deep end with no supervision, and b) to gradually introduce your kid to the internet in steps, and with advice on everything.

Wish I could semper fi, great post. One of the problems for Kiwis trying to analyze this stuff is that a) many of them had open Internet access growing up, but had other mitigating factors in their lives that kept them from being a Bella and b) there is a collective Kiwi distrust of ANY kind of authority trying to control the Internet after all the Facebook/Reddit/Youtube fiascos around corporate censorship. Being an Internet edgelord is one thing, raising kids is quite another.

While I want to be on team "no smart phone till 16", I also understand your point about how much that can alienate a kid these days. No easy solutions. But overall, if your kid is kept busy after school with IRL activity, they will probably turn out alright. Sports, band, scouting, church volunteering if you are religious, homework, etc. should eat up the hours for most kids and limit the amount of time they have to get into Internet trouble. Be around the house for those hours when they AREN'T at their activities. Old fashioned "playing around the neighborhood" is also important, but you just have to watch carefully for who the local kids are. Check with other parents to make sure they don't just hole up in the other kids room interacting with creepy adults on Discord gaming forums.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Wish I could semper fi, great post. One of the problems for Kiwis trying to analyze this stuff is that a) many of them had open Internet access growing up, but had other mitigating factors in their lives that kept them from being a Bella and b) there is a collective Kiwi distrust of ANY kind of authority trying to control the Internet after all the Facebook/Reddit/Youtube fiascos around corporate censorship. Being an Internet edgelord is one thing, raising kids is quite another.

While I want to be on team "no smart phone till 16", I also understand your point about how much that can alienate a kid these days. No easy solutions. But overall, if your kid is kept busy after school with IRL activity, they will probably turn out alright. Sports, band, scouting, church volunteering if you are religious, homework, etc. should eat up the hours for most kids and limit the amount of time they have to get into Internet trouble. Be around the house for those hours when they AREN'T at their activities. Old fashioned "playing around the neighborhood" is also important, but you just have to watch carefully for who the local kids are. Check with other parents to make sure they don't just hole up in the other kids room interacting with creepy adults on Discord gaming forums.

Discord is something that honestly could be banned, or at the least- moderated.

What I mean by that is, basically parents being able to check in on the communities that their kids are in and getting involved in. Obviously kids can hide things if they want (and should), but the notion of discord grooming cults, and even the same thing on reddit, warrants enough basic caution if your kid is getting into said communities.

Either way, basic internet etiquette, ie "dont power level", is something that should be taught.

 

[TayandYou]

Discord is something that honestly could be banned, or at the least- moderated.

What I mean by that is, basically parents being able to check in on the communities that their kids are in and getting involved in. Obviously kids can hide things if they want (and should), but the notion of discord grooming cults, and even the same thing on reddit, warrants enough basic caution if your kid is getting into said communities.

Either way, basic internet etiquette, ie "dont power level", is something that should be taught.

I think that singling out discord or reddit in particular just because they are currently popular for groomers is short sighted. They are not the first apps that grooming cults used, and won't be the last. There's no much point in banning your kid from any specific app, there will always be new apps that get popular, and the groomers will just migrate there instead. You won't always be up to date with the latest apps kids frequent, especially as you get older.

I think the more useful approach is, like you said, teach them basic internet etiquette, so they will have some degree of awareness no matter which app they use.

 

[Procrastinhater]

I'm GenX, my parents were boomers, they didn't even have a clue what the Internet was. I grew up in the 80's when there was barely any Internet to speak of, home computers (such as they were) cost thousands back then and were pretty niche, although my Dad bought us a Magnavox for Christmas, the games were basic as fuck, Space Invaders and Pong I think, you couldn't sit and sink thousands of hours into that shit, when I was a kid we used to play outside, dirtbikes and shit, I didn't get online till 'the 90's, I was already a young adult by then, kids today have grown up with it, it's a different world.
I remember what the old wild west Internet was, I think part of the reason Millenials and even more so Zoomers ended up so fucked up was they were exposed to all that shit at a formative age, when I was browsing Rotten.com and SA I was already (mostly) matured.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

That's a very nouveau-riche attitude.

Angel investors often are, rather than being old money.

Though once you get into self-made billionaires they stop wearing the watches again, because their wealth speaks for itself. Not that I hang out with self-made billionaires, or caught more than a glimpse of one because their staff usually keeps everyone else at a distance.

 

[AnOminous]

I think the more useful approach is, like you said, teach them basic internet etiquette, so they will have some degree of awareness no matter which app they use.

And frankly, spy on them. Don't ever confront them over minor shit because if you get caught doing that, for their own good or not, you've completely blown that trust. Or, depending, just only give them that tech in the first place on the condition that they know you're watching them, and relax that slowly as they appear capable of handling it.

The only time to step in is if they're getting in danger. If you find them being groomed, then it's time to decide whether to call the cops, find out where the groomer is and have his legs broken, or confront your kid and let them know just how badly they done fucked up.

And if they figure out how to avoid your surveillance and don't get caught, well, good. You should be proud of them. They've learned good opsec.

 

[InternetSafariObserver]

Discord is something that honestly could be banned, or at the least- moderated.

What I mean by that is, basically parents being able to check in on the communities that their kids are in and getting involved in. Obviously kids can hide things if they want (and should), but the notion of discord grooming cults, and even the same thing on reddit, warrants enough basic caution if your kid is getting into said communities.

Either way, basic internet etiquette, ie "dont power level", is something that should be taught.

It's weird, because I hear your point but I had an altogether different experience.

Back in the Wild West days of the internet (I'm putting this at about 2004) I was on Habbo, Myspace and some other sites with folks that were much older than I was.

I saw a lot of stuff I should not have, and at times my parents would try to supervise me, but ultimately I was very quiet and guarded about what I was up to on the internet. Part of me looks at it as that was my thing, a place of escape from my parents and a 'space' so to speak where I could learn about the world in my own time and comfort. At the same time, I was .. very lucky not to be exposed to some of the things that I see folks getting into today.

 

[Sabrina]

Yahoo games was ultimately shut down because of groomers, but naturally they just migrated to Omegle and Roblox. You just have to watch your kids and warn them like we warn them about kidnappers

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

I saw a lot of stuff I should not have, and at times my parents would try to supervise me, but ultimately I was very quiet and guarded about what I was up to on the internet. Part of me looks at it as that was my thing, a place of escape from my parents and a 'space' so to speak where I could learn about the world in my own time and comfort. At the same time, I was .. very lucky not to be exposed to some of the things that I see folks getting into today.

Kids should never have an escape from their parents, until maybe they become teenagers

 

[DiscoRodeo]

It's weird, because I hear your point but I had an altogether different experience.

Back in the Wild West days of the internet (I'm putting this at about 2004) I was on Habbo, Myspace and some other sites with folks that were much older than I was.

I saw a lot of stuff I should not have, and at times my parents would try to supervise me, but ultimately I was very quiet and guarded about what I was up to on the internet. Part of me looks at it as that was my thing, a place of escape from my parents and a 'space' so to speak where I could learn about the world in my own time and comfort. At the same time, I was .. very lucky not to be exposed to some of the things that I see folks getting into today.

Consider it this way: The internet was a Wild West indeed.

You can turn out relatively fine, or maybe you wind up like Chris Chan where the internet was literally the worst thing in the world for you and should have been lumberjacked.

Kids react to things in different ways, some kids learn from their mistakes, from other's mistakes, get wiser to going ons online, etc.

You should have some exposure to the internet and if you grew up knowing internet etiquite (ie, not being a rube, showing your dick to some pedo in a chat room and arranging to meet them in person irl), you'll be fine.

Not every kid is going to be the same, so rather than banning social media outright, etc- just be aware of what your kid is up to online the same way you would be aware of whether or not your kid was hanging out with druggies irl.

There will likely be stuff worse than reddit, discord, etc as well out there- but Id basically be wary of them and if I heard that my kid was in random discord servers, itd be the same equivilent red flag as "okay, kid is getting in with a crowd with a lot of piercings, I should be aware that these kids may have drugs and give the kid that talk" except its "look, discord has grooming shit, do not get personal there with people and if they start talking about sexuality, theyre perverts".

 

[Elbow Greased Strength]

I think that singling out discord or reddit in particular just because they are currently popular for groomers is short sighted. They are not the first apps that grooming cults used, and won't be the last. There's no much point in banning your kid from any specific app, there will always be new apps that get popular, and the groomers will just migrate there instead. You won't always be up to date with the latest apps kids frequent, especially as you get older.

I think the more useful approach is, like you said, teach them basic internet etiquette, so they will have some degree of awareness no matter which app they use.

Discord is just a new version of the old-school chat rooms when you really get down to it. Groomers and pedophiles were being busted all the time in those back then, arguably in some ways they were worse because there just plain wasn't any kind of moderation at all. I remember some shady stuff went down on Usenet too but I was too young to really be involved there.

One big difference between then and now though is how easy it is to find these things due to improvements in search. I remember when Google launched in 1998 and it was a big deal compared to the ones that were available at the time. Some of the older people here probably remember trying to find related pages through guestbooks and links on individual pages.

Nowadays you can find a staggering amount of awful and depraved content without much difficulty at all.

 

[AnOminous]

I saw a lot of stuff I should not have, and at times my parents would try to supervise me, but ultimately I was very quiet and guarded about what I was up to on the internet. Part of me looks at it as that was my thing, a place of escape from my parents and a 'space' so to speak where I could learn about the world in my own time and comfort. At the same time, I was .. very lucky not to be exposed to some of the things that I see folks getting into today.

I was on an irc channel about a technical subject I won't go into any more details about, in the late '90s, and it turned out one of the participants had been grooming a 13 year old on the channel and was planning a visit. This guy was already an asshole and everyone hated him and we'd been looking for excuses to ban him but for the usual freeze peach reasons we didn't.

It turned out no less than three people on the channel were mandatory reporters because of their jobs. They got to fight over who turned him in.

Fuck Discord. Can you imagine that happening there? Or even a Discord channel where three people had jobs?

Discord is just a new version of the old-school chat rooms when you really get down to it. Groomers and pedophiles were being busted all the time in those back then, arguably in some ways they were worse because there just plain wasn't any kind of moderation at all.

I disagree because while being as close to anarchy as you get, irc channels not specifically devoted to that shit did a lot better enforcing their own social norms which did not include predatory behavior or tolerate it.

Discord is run by a corporation that exerts ultimate control over all content, and this corporation more or less condones grooming and other disgusting shit so long as nobody gets caught and embarrasses the corporation.

You're more likely to get banned from Discord for being a Trump voter than an open pedophile. Discord is a perfect environment for a predator like Janke.

 

[InternetSafariObserver]

Kids should never have an escape from their parents, until maybe they become teenagers

I don't think that's particularly healthy.

I started using the internet at around 11 and it honestly gave me a unique sense of independence like I said. I have Aspergers, so it also allowed me to escape what I felt at the time was forced socialization (not going to get into it) - and in the process I ended up learning a lot of important skills, came to grips with tech quite early and ended up making lots of friends with different and unique viewpoints. At a level of comfort and privacy that I could enjoy; as Hume would put it 'a private space to grow, explore and make mistakes'

Your statement also presumes that a) every child is incapable of using their own judgment and b) learning about the dangers of the internet through its use.

Discord is just a new version of the old-school chat rooms when you really get down to it. Groomers and pedophiles were being busted all the time in those back then, arguably in some ways they were worse because there just plain wasn't any kind of moderation at all. I remember some shady stuff went down on Usenet too but I was too young to really be involved there.

I'm also confused by the amount of Gen Z Tiktokers/influencers casually passing off pornographic material. As an example, this one kid Cal the Dragon or w/e teamed up with a 'model' named Astrid Wett who does OF. Astrid ended up using Cal's influence through Tiktok to spread her OF content to his clearly underage and 'family' centered content. There must be examples from Twitch and YouTube where pedophilia is overlooked for 'content'.

 

[Elbow Greased Strength]

I disagree because while being as close to anarchy as you get, irc channels not specifically devoted to that shit did a lot better enforcing their own social norms which did not include predatory behavior or tolerate it.

Discord is run by a corporation that exerts ultimate control over all content, and this corporation more or less condones grooming and other disgusting shit so long as nobody gets caught and embarrasses the corporation.

You're more likely to get banned from Discord for being a Trump voter than an open pedophile. Discord is a perfect environment for a predator like Janke.

I wasn't thinking so much of IRC as the Yahoo/AOL and other types of chat rooms that were popular back in the late 90s and early 00s. Those ones are a lot more like what Discord is today. If they were still around I bet they'd be exactly the same.

IRC was different since especially early on it required a lot more technical knowledge to access and the people who used it tended to form tight-knit communities. In comparison those chat rooms were much more accessible to kids and (at the time) boomer pedophiles.

 

[cloudzrip420]

I can fix her

 

[A-№1]

The better you raise your kids, the less you'll need to worry about what they'll get up to on the internet.

The converse is also true. Bella's parents did not raise her well at all.

Consider it this way: The internet was a Wild West indeed.

UUCP was the wild west. The internet was more like the coming of the transcontinental railroad.

 

[normankrasner]

Yahoo games was ultimately shut down because of groomers, but naturally they just migrated to Omegle and Roblox. You just have to watch your kids and warn them like we warn them about kidnappers

AOL was even concerned about adults posting on the Nickelodeon forums about the shows