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Ok. Weird question maybe, but: if you can buy it on the spot, or take a 'subscription' and take it home with you... how is this any different from the 'buy now pay in terms' or 'buy now pay later' schemes that also often get people who are stupid with money in debt?

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As I said, I think a line has been crossed when the feature is actually present in the car regardless of who its sold to but is intentionally throttled so it can't be used by people who aren't paying the subscription. Preferably they should just make it so that heated seats are on by default for anyone who buys this car since its possible to use it in any of these particular cars they sell.
I agree a line absolutely has been crossed, a proverbial Rubicon for the car world, but I did specify the short term. Expanded below;
@Bush King if the option still exists to buy outright then that's fine, but it does still seem kind of bizarre to me to disable a feature that is in the car from the start and presumably can't be removed. I think that's what makes this specific example so weird; other stuff like GPS subscriptions or testing removable extras you don't know you'll want to keep make perfect sense.
The issue is that it is incredibly expensive in marginal terms for a manufacturer to have several lines (or even just stations in the process which are skipped or added) running at once for one product. The suits at marketing, sales and accounting probably sat down and hashed out that having extras cost the production line X per year, Y could be saved by having one extremely streamlined process, and Z more sales would result from having the (I assume) normal base price for every model and then adding an option to subscribe to the extra features usually left out alongside a lump sum option.

At the end of the day the process (if the move was successful) would result in lower manufacturing costs, lower prices for consumers, and higher revenues due to whales subscribing and more customers buying the extra as a result of trying it out for cheap. As someone who has experienced but not bought a car with heated seats, I'd absolutely love this. I don't like spending more on extras, but I'd happily treat myself in Winter, where I'd pay (assuming $8 a month versus $800 for the seats) $32 per year instead of $800 stretched over the ownership of the car. Without this, I'd never have been a customer for heated seats. This is essentially all the benefits with few (current) negatives. You can buy it if you can, ignore it but have the option, or be like all poor people and rent now. The first used to be the only reasonable option, buy it first. I'm not sure how expensive it would be or if you even could get the heated seats added later, but that's a cost, and if you traded in the car you'd be paying for the seats plus the difference of a new versus old vehicle. So long as the price without activating the seats is unchanged or lower, I'm leaning on this being a win, not a loss, even though my gut is currently screaming like Jim's does at all hours of the day.
Ok. Weird question maybe, but: if you can buy it on the spot, or take a 'subscription' and take it home with you... how is this any different from the 'buy now pay in terms' or 'buy now pay later' schemes that also often get people who are stupid with money in debt?

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It's different because BNPL acts more like a lease. You pay it off in installments. I assume that's an option if you buy the car on finance, but if you had the car already it would just be a subscription service. No one in their right mind is going to give you the option of leasing a live service, the point is the continuous revenue stream.

I can imagine many people having three or four subscriptions for heated seats they forget about in thirty years time.
 
Also from what little I understand of motor vehicles, BMWs are a cunt's car any way, mostly driven by yuppies with high disposable income, so it's not as if this is even something the average consumer is going to be dealing with. It's actually pretty bougie of Jim to complain about this when a lot of the people he claims to champion might be struggling just to make payments on the car, itself.
This may have been true in the 1980s, but now vehicle leasing and personal contract finance is so ubiquitous literally anyone can get into a reasonably specified BMW/Audi/Mercedes, even a Porsche for an 'affordable' monthly fee.

Jim doesn't know jack shit about the car industry (and I have half a mind towards this being his first baby step into breadtube), however I do, so I'll explain what the car option subscription is trying to achieve here.

The first goal of putting a service like this onto customers is money, there's no other way about it. Regular cashflow in the car industry is hard to come by because the manufacturer sells vehicles to their dealer network wholesale. Every time you buy a car on finance, your monthly payment goes to the dealer network to pay for their purchase of your car from the manufacturer. By selling base models wholesale to the dealers and locking optional extras behind a software-over-the-air update you pay a sub for using an app developed and owned by the manufacturer, the proceeds of that subscription go direct to the manufacturer. It will also allow them to monetise used cars after the first owner, as subsequent owners will want to either pay for or remove certain options depending on their requirements.

The second goal is a reduction in manufacturing complexity. When the dealer network purchases cars, they will do so to the individual specification of each customer, along with some general forecourt stock that meets the most common option combinations. With the sheer number of options being offered on cars these days there are literally millions of combinations, no two customer cars coming down the same factory line are the exact same. Naturally, things can go wrong when fitting together this many permutations of vehicle together at massive scale which will lead to rework of cars at the factory to make sure they meet the specification they were meant to have, which costs the manufacturer in time and money. If you're producing cars that are identical in terms of spec & all you need to do to unlock the spec is send a SOTA update to the car once the option's been subbed to, your manufacturing complexity and thus your level of rework goes down a hundred fold, which again, means the manufacturer has more money.

To be honest, I don't think this practice will catch on because it's gone down like a cup of cold sick in the automotive world, but then again the days of the personal automobile are numbered. Look at the EU mandated speed limiters that have just been introduced. You will own nothing, and be happy.
 
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JQ QRD:
  • Jim calls Bumblebee the Transformer a 'fucking cuck'. I guess that's funny because it's a car and cars can't be cucks?
  • Second Bumblebee cuck joke.
  • Jim rants about (admittedly ridiculous) subscription services for heated car seats, apparently unaware paid extras have been a thing in cars forever.
  • Jim actually thinks video game microtransactions are to blame for this, again ignoring or unaware of the fact subscription services have existed for decades.
  • Jim basically complains that things now are different to how things were when he was young. Literally 'old man yells at the Cloud.'
  • Jim is either ignoring or unaware he is under no obligation to use any of these services and alternatives always exist.
  • Jim thinks free trials are exploitative because people forget to cancel. Nothing is ever the consoomer's fault.
  • Jim is either ignoring or unaware he is under no obligation to use any of these services.
  • (I didn't repeat myself on that last one; he puts up a list of every subscription service he can think of as if they're mandatory.)
  • Jim acknowledges it's cringe to compare the real world to Black Mirror.
  • Jim compares the real world to Black Mirror.
  • "CAPITALISM IS BAD BECAUSE I CAN'T CONTROL MYSELF."
  • The remaining 2 minutes are cringe humour and Jim plugging his wrestling dates.

On the plus side he dropped another 1k subs, so at least today wasn't a complete waste.
Someone needs to tell him off for kink shaming (not like any of us give a shit but him and his little crowd of woke snowflakes do). He should be thankful people still pay him for his videos which, actually, should be giving people refunds upon viewing.
 
@Bush King if the option still exists to buy outright then that's fine, but it does still seem kind of bizarre to me to disable a feature that is in the car from the start and presumably can't be removed. I think that's what makes this specific example so weird; other stuff like GPS subscriptions or testing removable extras you don't know you'll want to keep make perfect sense.

Also from what little I understand of motor vehicles, BMWs are a cunt's car any way, mostly driven by yuppies with high disposable income, so it's not as if this is even something the average consumer is going to be dealing with. It's actually pretty bougie of Jim to complain about this when a lot of the people he claims to champion might be struggling just to make payments on the car, itself.
BMW didn't even think it up, they have just escalated it. Mercedes have had a similar subscription model for a while now, though it is limited to software convenience stuff like their "in car office" or charging for the "convenience" of being able to use a phone app to do pointless stuff like remotely open the windows (which you can do on the key fob anyway)
 
Wrestling as seen on sky gets me, it's like saying movie or tv show as seen on sky, really means nothing and no sign that this production has ever been shown on TV. I'm 99% sure they mean stuff like WWF or at best some random local news clip with 2 minutes spent on them.

Sky and Freeview are, I'm guessing, one of the many shitty free TV options available to you if you have a Roku or similar device. They don't license their programming and instead pay out in ad money...which I'm guessing for the most part is abysmal unless you have things people actually recognize.
 
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Sky and Freeview are, I'm guessing, one of the many shitty free TV options available to you if you have a Roku or similar device. They don't license their programming and instead pay out in ad money...which I'm guessing for the most part is abysmal unless you have things people actually recognize.
Sky is the big cable provider in most of the EU, Freeview is all the free channels on well free if you give the BBC money, so you get the BBC channels, ITV and so on, along with some other shit like local news stations.

Sky despite being the big cable has everything freeview has plus many other shitty channels as well. Sky mostly gets by with the stuff they get from HBO and a handful of their own programs and the real lack of competition.
 
Sky is the big cable provider in most of the EU, Freeview is all the free channels on well free if you give the BBC money, so you get the BBC channels, ITV and so on, along with some other shit like local news stations.

Sky despite being the big cable has everything freeview has plus many other shitty channels as well. Sky mostly gets by with the stuff they get from HBO and a handful of their own programs and the real lack of competition.

Huh the advertising looked exactly like something you'd see on Roku here. Do you have to pay for ANY television at all in Europe or is there public broadcasting?
 
Huh the advertising looked exactly like something you'd see on Roku here. Do you have to pay for ANY television at all in Europe or is there public broadcasting?
Depends on the country. Some country all self funded on ads, other it's paid with by taxes and other like the UK you have a TV licence with it's own cost outside taxes.

Ones like the UK, the TV licence money really only goes to the BBC, but still need to pay it to legally watch any live TV even from channels self funded by ads but really no way for them to know if you are watching live tv unless you tell them or sign up to bbc iplay and give them your right address. Now if you don't watch live TV you don't have to pay it.

TV licence is £159 a year, so far above any streaming service and most channels have their own catch up free ad based streaming services anyway. Also another odd thing BBC radio is not covered under the TV licence and is free for everyone world wide to listen to for the most part.

Not sure if streaming counts as live TV outside a few African counties.


But to get back on topic, really not hard to get on TV, be it local news or any of those awful channels that pretty much what public broadcasting is in the USA in terms quality and content.
 
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Huh the advertising looked exactly like something you'd see on Roku here. Do you have to pay for ANY television at all in Europe or is there public broadcasting?

We have ITV, Channel 4, Channel 5 that broadcast for free which require no TV Licence as long as we're only watching them on catch-up.
We require a licence for BBC channels including iPlayer (BBC's on-demand service) and any live broadcast channels, including Amazon Prime Live, YouTube Live, etc.

It's been over 7 years since I had a TV licence and I just stick to free catch-up and companies like Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc. The BBC content has become so ridiculously woke in the last decade that I've not missed any of it. The good stuff they make (like documentaries) comes to Netflix or other channels anyway. Every 2 years I have to tick a box on a website saying I still don't watch live TV or BBC channels but that's all.

If I cared about sports, it would be an issue as people tend to want to watch that live.
 
Sky has like a thousand channels, including ones showing shit like Zimbabwe's Got Talent, so it's most likely Jim's wrestling LARP would've popped up on one of the public access-tier channels right at the end of the listings that broadcast nothing but handheld camera footage and bootleg YouTube videos.
 
This is a new one Jim, no longer are you 'non-binary transfem' but simply trying to look like a troon? All but admitting publically you've got AGP.
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You know what car guys like? Not looking at faggots.
I remember the good old days when "I blew a tranny" did have a completely different meaning.
This is a new one Jim, no longer are you 'non-binary transfem' but simply trying to look like a troon? All but admitting publically you've got AGP.
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Tbh, I see no change he still looks like a fat plonker from the worst parts of Sheffield, Liverpool, Manchester or London.
Pig, Lipstick and all that.
 
This is a new one Jim, no longer are you 'non-binary transfem' but simply trying to look like a troon? All but admitting publically you've got AGP.
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This is the thing that always had me going for a loop with Jim. He looks like the most insulting stereotypical caricature of a troon, like he looks like someone who dresses up like this to make fun of them. But apparently it's cool? These people WANT to be represented by this monstrosity
 
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