Lord of the Rings TV Series in Development - How could this POSSIBLY go wrong...

[Ishtar]

Wtf? There are idiots who say Lovecraft & his stories are queer but Tolkien too?

These fucking garbage goblins. They know that Tolkien & Lovecraft would have told them to fuck off but they need an excuse to use their work so they just pretend it has been full of lgbtxyz horseshit the entire time. And that means it's their right to use their work.

I think it’s more guilt/shame. Liking a dead White guy with potentially reactionary/“bad” beliefs is embarrassing and makes them feel bad. They are immersed in a culture where this is a bad thing. They need Tolkien to be a secret liberal/gay/whatever so as to not feel bad.

You would not believe how liberals are easily ashamed of(and often are shamed) for their tastes. It’s part of what keeps them in line. Better not like this-it’s racist, that band? It’s sexist! And so on-hence all the Tumblr “problematic” posts and all. They don’t want to like “problematic” things, they don’t want to be pilloried by their peers for enjoying something that might be racist or sexist or homophobic or what have you. If they can say Tolkien is woke-they can tell themselves and their peers they are enjoying a “good” thing.

 

[Oats12345]

Wtf? There are idiots who say Lovecraft & his stories are queer but Tolkien too?

These fucking garbage goblins. They know that Tolkien & Lovecraft would have told them to fuck off but they need an excuse to use their work so they just pretend it has been full of lgbtxyz horseshit the entire time. And that means it's their right to use their work.

I think it’s more guilt/shame. Liking a dead White guy with potentially reactionary/“bad” beliefs is embarrassing and makes them feel bad. They are immersed in a culture where this is a bad thing. They need Tolkien to be a secret liberal/gay/whatever so as to not feel bad.

You would not believe how liberals are easily ashamed of(and often are shamed) for their tastes. It’s part of what keeps them in line. Better not like this-it’s racist, that band? It’s sexist! And so on-hence all the Tumblr “problematic” posts and all. They don’t want to like “problematic” things, they don’t want to be pilloried by their peers for enjoying something that might be racist or sexist or homophobic or what have you. If they can say Tolkien is woke-they can tell themselves and their peers they are enjoying a “good” thing.

Honselty it really says something when someone like me who is right leaning has liked many stories made by left leaning people. Star Wars, Star Trek and Watchmen you name it. Yet I never let the writers political beliefs ruin those stories for me.

But cut to a leftie who freaks out when a creator of something they like has or had different political leanings than them. They either feel ashamed of liking the work or tried to claim the person was secretly woke or some shit.

It's telling who's the one who really can't accept differences.

I mean it's really hard for them to admit that Tolkien was a big catholic. I mean lord of the rings lore is clearly heavily inspired by the Bible. Yet they would like to ignore that at all costs

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Honselty it really says something when someone like me who is right leaning has liked many stories made by left leaning people. Star Wars, Star Trek and Watchmen you name it. Yet I never let the writers political beliefs ruin those stories for me.

It's because the values of those stories were universal and didn't belong to the left of the right. Or, at least, it was like this back then. The left has always tried to present themselves as the absolute owners of certain values, but the right also has a claim to them. The reason everybody liked those stories was because it was appealing to the average person and writers knew well they wanted all kinds of people to know their stories, not to preach about how good they were. Worst case, they expect their way to handle the stories would help the reader/watcher to change their mind and improve themselves. Current writers only want an audience that accepts what they give without any challenge.

I mean it's really hard for them to admit that Tolkien was a big catholic. I mean lord of the rings lore is clearly heavily inspired by the Bible. Yet they would like to ignore that at all costs

I remember mentioning this to a very Christian lady many years ago when the first Narnia movie was released. I told her how certain critics were trying to downplay and deny the fact that most of the story had heavy Christian influences. I told her that maybe they didn't really see them and she told me something like "oh, no, they do know, they do it in purpose." She was right.

 

[Oats12345]

It's because the values of those stories were universal and didn't belong to the left of the right. Or, at least, it was like this back then. The left has always tried to present themselves as the absolute owners of certain values, but the right also has a claim to them. The reason everybody liked those stories was because it was appealing to the average person and writers knew well they wanted all kinds of people to know their stories, not to preach about how good they were. Worst case, they expect their way to handle the stories would help the reader/watcher to change their mind and improve themselves. Current writers only want an audience that accepts what they give without any challenge.


I remember mentioning this to a very Christian lady many years ago when the first Narnia movie was released. I told her how certain critics were trying to downplay and deny the fact that most of the story had heavy Christian influences. I told her that maybe they didn't really see them and she told me something like "oh, no, they do know, they do it in purpose." She was right.

It really tells you how much Hollywood has change in story telling when you think about it.



In Narnia Aslan legit gets crucified and resurrects and that is in the movie.

Anyone who claims there was no Bible allegory is lieing.

In Lord of The Rings the two big bads are basically Satan with the same backstory and everything.

anyone ignoring the religious undertones are just lying about the authors and their beliefs that play into their stories.

 

[Logoden]

I sure do hope this is going to be a glorious shitshow and if it is it will be probably remembered for decades. And it seems it is indeed going to be "so bad its good". This I am waiting with impatience.

Now what could make me MATI, angry and especialy sad is not that some racist, woke, retarded, short-sighted, narrow-minded and stuck-up assholes are shitting Tolkien's work for their public(those little cultural fascist can rot in hell for all I care), I already saw that, we just have to ridicul them and endure. Now what could make me MATI are :
1. The weak retards who will let this happen again in the futur, for money or something else. For how long will they be able to push their shit and how far will they be able to go. THAT, I do not exactly look forward to it, even for the memes. Give them enough time and reach and they might try to do unforgivable shit to Tolkien's work and image(going out of their ways to burn original copies would be the worst but we are still very far from that hopefully)
2. The consumers who will gobble up AND defend this turd with all their strength, calling others names and shit. I had to live through both the narrow-minded boomer/christian mentality AND the SJWs/woketards in my family and in other pretty closed social circles. Having to deal with even more retards when speaking about Tolkien's work is not something I want to experience. Especialy with the latter as they generaly hold on religiously to their newly found believes, even to the point of no-return(Might sounds crazy I know)

One thing is sure, if you had told me 10 years ago I would have an violent argument with a loved family member over tokenism and overtly racist ethnic insertion in Tolkien's world I would have took you for a crazy man... But here I am typing this shit.

Edit : To correct a word or two. Sorry

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

It really tells you how much Hollywood has change in story telling when you think about it.



In Narnia Aslan legit gets crucified and resurrects and that is in the movie.

Anyone who claims there was no Bible allegory is lieing.

In Lord of The Rings the two big bads are basically Satan with the same backstory and everything.

anyone ignoring the religious undertones are just lying about the authors and their beliefs that play into their stories.

Eru Ilúvatar is quite literally the Christian God manifesting in a different "inner world" of Tolkien's creation. Tolkien even confirmed in a letter that the accidental discovery of the Ring by Bilbo and the accidental destruction of the Ring at the end of LotR was due to the intervention of Ilúvatar, meaning that it was do to divine will that the Fellowship succeeded.
Aslan in Narnia is quite literally Jesus Christ in a similar capacity.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Ok, you're kinda convincing me to watch this thing...

I think it actually might be passably watchable once you accept the Sauron as depicted in this show is the good guy, and Galadriel and company are the bad guys. When the Kweens make their sacrifices, (as you know they will) it won't be sad. It will be like watching Emperor Palpatine going down the elevator shaft.

 

[Oats12345]

Honselty it just dawn on me out of all the franchises Star Trek, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings and so on. The one franchise lately that have been spoiling it's fans lately is fucking power rangers of all things.

The latest seasons have been massive homages to previous seasons. To the point that Beast Morphers main villain was a past season villain that had a cliffhanger ending and no one thought said cliffhanger would ever be resolved. They have brought back many old rangers actors and have given them noting but respect instead of shitting on their characters even having the new team each season respecting them. They legit brought back Golder for Beast Morphers and legit had poplar villain Lord Zedd return after 24 years since he last appeared.

Like holy shit when fucking Power Rangers is one of the few franchises not to shit on their Fandom and instead actual spoil the shit out of them. Than you know something is wrong!!

 

[immigrant32]

only inferiour creatures die from old age. Superiour creatures are immortal. Tolkien was a catholic fool for branding immortality as a sin for non-elves.And keeping slaves was not a sin. How biblical. Sauron did nothing wrong when he promised immortality to Numenoreans!

Tolkien was also a poor linguist. He copied words from Finnish and turned them into anagrams, which is unprofessional. Tolkien himself admitted this flaw: "...and I gave up the attempt to invent an 'unrecorded' Germanic language, and my 'own language' -- or series of invented languages -- became heavily Finnicized in phonetic pattern and structure". ".

The design of his fictional scripts (such as Tengwar) - is careless - as if he copied the patterns on a carpet or a chandelier, and are purely decorative! Compare with the fictional script from the Voynich Manuscript which looks very cool.

He mixed pagan myths and christianity and thus created the dissonance. Thus, Tolkien was Melkor himself!
Tolkiens works is nothing more than a romanticization of feudalistic relationship. All russian Tolkien Larpers support monarchy. (you can see this in their profiles description).

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

only inferiour creatures die from old age. Superiour creatures are immortal. Tolkien was a catholic fool for branding immortality as a sin for non-elves.

In Christianity physical death, the withdrawal of physical immortality, is a punishment for the fall of Adam and Eve. In Tolkiens Arda physical death is something built into humans from the beginning - even seen as a gift - by Ilúvatar. They aren't tied to the world, growing more stretched and weary like elves, but are able to escape its circles into the mystery beyond. Something elves are said to envy of humans. It has little to do with 'inferiour'[sic] or 'superiour'[sic]
Human lifespan is something decreed by Eru Ilúvatar. For Sauron - a being present for the singing of The Song - to even offer humans immortality is a knowing perversion of that, and a ploy to corrupt Númenor and pit it in a doomed attack against the Valar. Fairly sinful, I'd say. And look at the nazgûl to see the kind of immortality that Sauron could bestow on mortals.

He mixed pagan myths and christianity and thus created the dissonance

What dissonance.

 

[Radola Gajda]

Oof Sauron looks pretty bad.
Did they reveal who will play last of Fëanors bloodline Celebrimbor?

 

[Kramer on the phone]

Also half black, and I had the same experience. My dad who is otherwise a really intelligent and well-read black man, almost to a fault (the kind of pretentious ass who has Marcus Aurelius, Cicero, and Plato on his bookshelves) gives 0 fucks about LOTR, and it was a chore to even get him to sit down and watch the movies with me. I've practically given up on getting him to ever read the books. I don't understand why it's such a turnoff for him though.

they call it the faustian spirit for a reason, blacks don't have that sense of adventure or fetish for it. no drive for the unknown, the type of yearning that causes men with families and great jobs to be jealous of the local begger. able to venture off to parts unknown, the phrase "lost in the woods" isn't the aphrodisiac to him as it is for aryans.

I’ll have you know I knew one VERY based Black woman who loved Lord of the Rings and hated BET.

you ever hear the phrase "cool girl"? plenty of women will pretend to be into anything if they want that penis inside them.

I remember mentioning this to a very Christian lady many years ago when the first Narnia movie was released. I told her how certain critics were trying to downplay and deny the fact that most of the story had heavy Christian influences. I told her that maybe they didn't really see them and she told me something like "oh, no, they do know, they do it in purpose." She was right.

i'll give them the benefit of the doubt, you genuinely would be surprised how little you know of other religions and vice versa. Beyond that literally Catholicism has always been a massive minority in the US outside of the north east and former Spanish empire.

you'd be surprised how few catholics would be even to give you a ballpark answer for questions such as:

how many minions do jews have?

how many times does your average protestant go to confession in a given year?

I remember a fuck load of atheists that shit on christians in the US for disliking the new pope and mocking them for supposedly not trusting the pope or institution now that the guy is woke.

people still get ratio'd for being that retarded.

Honselty it just dawn on me out of all the franchises Star Trek, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings and so on. The one franchise lately that have been spoiling it's fans lately is fucking power rangers of all things.

The latest seasons have been massive homages to previous seasons. To the point that Beast Morphers main villain was a past season villain that had a cliffhanger ending and no one thought said cliffhanger would ever be resolved. They have brought back many old rangers actors and have given them noting but respect instead of shitting on their characters even having the new team each season respecting them. They legit brought back Golder for Beast Morphers and legit had poplar villain Lord Zedd return after 24 years since he last appeared.

Like holy shit when fucking Power Rangers is one of the few franchises not to shit on their Fandom and instead actual spoil the shit out of them. Than you know something is wrong!!

Saban is an old school weeb and clearly has an amazing track record for hiring people, even after he sold the company because disney let the inmates run the asylum the show somehow got even better, he's probably the only guy that hires fans of the work, and because of how low status the franchise is, you aren't getting the JJ types coming in for the prestige or fame. for fucks sake his pre-1980s lifestyle was of a sterotypical failed musician slacker watching cartoons. probably one of the few white people that was a fan of japan spiderman when it aired.

I don’t think people actually know what “fair” means. Sauron isn’t supposed to be “pretty boy sexy”-he’s desirable in the same way an angel is desirable.

That is they exude light and Grace, wisdom, and majesty. Their every word makes men weep and put their hands on their face. You want to worship them, listen to them, follow their commands, take the things they give you.

People somehow got the meme idea Sauron was some sort of trap or rock star-in terms of being carnally appealing(and even that ain’t). But that isn’t what angels are supposed to be or what Sauron came across as to the elves of eregion.

its because its part of the faustian spirit to have different ideas of desire, to niggers and kikes the only way you can desire someone is to fuck them silly.

the idea of being in awe of someone or that someone could emanate love while not being pretty is incomprehensible

Ugh, I know it's cliche to keep pointing out the show runners clearly have never read the book, but God damn. Sauron in the second age is supposed to be unnaturally attractive and not only that, give off a wholesome and pure vibe, especially as viewed by Numenors ruling elite. If he were in our world today, Sauron would be a bisexual black man who works for BLM and has a Pride Progress flag out front of Barad-Dur.

Looks like we are going for the loner white kid about to shoot upa school vibe for Sauron instead.

exactly, he should be tom hanks or mr.rodgers esque. someone you'd trust your kids with.

When you watch enough of these woke productions, you eventually start to notice things. Like in this trailer, how, when they are showing "the bad guys" all the diversity suddenly vanishes and its nothing but white men. I think the fact that I now notice these things makes me part of the problem.

thats the part of "subverting expectations" they all do it the same way. its like christian rock or christian books or christian films, instead of having the themes inside of a good story they're blatant and in your face like a philly stripper's ass.

its like how there are religious themes all over Bill&Ted 2 but no one would call it a christian film. meanwhile you can't not tell a christian film.

If anything woke shows have become very predictable

its because its the same solutions for everything. it reminds me of this BBC documentary a decade ago about moms deciding to make their own porn after investigating the uk porn industry because of their sons addictions. the thread on /r/drama about it was hilarious because you didn't need to waste an hour of your life to know how everything played out. and it played out exactly how it sounded.

its like those in-show ads for subway or cars or microsoft surface. except brands won't destroy you for yelling its brand deserves to be lynched.

 

[Oats12345]

they call it the faustian spirit for a reason, blacks don't have that sense of adventure or fetish for it. no drive for the unknown, the type of yearning that causes men with families and great jobs to be jealous of the local begger. able to venture off to parts unknown, the phrase "lost in the woods" isn't the aphrodisiac to him as it is for aryans.

you ever hear the phrase "cool girl"? plenty of women will pretend to be into anything if they want that penis inside them.

i'll give them the benefit of the doubt, you genuinely would be surprised how little you know of other religions and vice versa. Beyond that literally Catholicism has always been a massive minority in the US outside of the north east and former Spanish empire.

you'd be surprised how few catholics would be even to give you a ballpark answer for questions such as:

how many minions do jews have?

how many times does your average protestant go to confession in a given year?

I remember a fuck load of atheists that shit on christians in the US for disliking the new pope and mocking them for supposedly not trusting the pope or institution now that the guy is woke.

people still get ratio'd for being that retarded.


Saban is an old school weeb and clearly has an amazing track record for hiring people, even after he sold the company because disney let the inmates run the asylum the show somehow got even better, he's probably the only guy that hires fans of the work, and because of how low status the franchise is, you aren't getting the JJ types coming in for the prestige or fame. for fucks sake his pre-1980s lifestyle was of a sterotypical failed musician slacker watching cartoons. probably one of the few white people that was a fan of japan spiderman when it aired.

its because its part of the faustian spirit to have different ideas of desire, to niggers and kikes the only way you can desire someone is to fuck them silly.

the idea of being in awe of someone or that someone could emanate love while not being pretty is incomprehensible

That make sense. But still the fact Power Rangers is one of the only franchises I can think of that has been treating their fans well lately. Is just something

 

[XYZpdq]

I’ll have you know I knew one VERY based Black woman who loved Lord of the Rings and hated BET.

iirc Awesome Kong is into Tolkien enough to have read Silmarillion a mess of times

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

you ever hear the phrase "cool girl"? plenty of women will pretend to be into anything if they want that penis inside them.

Well, it worked because if she hadn't moved away I wanted to fuck her.

Based female Uncle Ruckus trad waifu

 

[mindlessobserver]

only inferiour creatures die from old age. Superiour creatures are immortal. Tolkien was a catholic fool for branding immortality as a sin for non-elves.And keeping slaves was not a sin. How biblical. Sauron did nothing wrong when he promised immortality to Numenoreans!

In Tolkiens mythos, the dissonance of Melkor perverted the perfect vision of Eru and created dissonance, thus ruining the original theme. However, when Eru restarted the music, he incorporated Melkors music into the theme and and created the world. It was not his perfect vision, but it could be eventually. That is why immortality in Middle Earth is considered bad, because living forever in an imperfect world that has suffering in it eventually becomes too much. Even the Valar themselves eventually grew weary. However, in the end the themes of Eru will reach its crescendo and all the dead will arise to sing new music of the Ainur. Then everyone will live forever. Very Catholic.

Tolkien was also a poor linguist. He copied words from Finnish and turned them into anagrams, which is unprofessional. Tolkien himself admitted this flaw: "...and I gave up the attempt to invent an 'unrecorded' Germanic language, and my 'own language' -- or series of invented languages -- became heavily Finnicized in phonetic pattern and structure". ".

Oh no, when he wrote an entire language it was very Finnish. How terrible. Who would want to be Finnish in nature?

The design of his fictional scripts (such as Tengwar) - is careless - as if he copied the patterns on a carpet or a chandelier, and are purely decorative! Compare with the fictional script from the Voynich Manuscript which looks very cool.

They look cool though, which was sort of the point you know.

He mixed pagan myths and christianity and thus created the dissonance. Thus, Tolkien was Melkor himself!
Tolkiens works is nothing more than a romanticization of feudalistic relationship. All russian Tolkien Larpers support monarchy. (you can see this in their profiles description).

Because nobody ever mixes myths with new religious concepts. Ever. Come the fuck on dude. If that did not happen our only myth would be the celestial hunt when sky daddy chased earth mommy.

 

[Biggie Smalls' Taint]

Like I've mentioned before, they don't really like Tolkien. They like the idea of being known as part of the "Tolkien fandom" and cosplay and consoom the product. When you like something, you don't try to change it and remove its core, you even accept the bad. But they don't like it, they want to simply being able to cosplay and recite the books without needing to understand them. And before doing that, they first need everybody know that Tolkien is Woke Approved™. They can't stan something that isn't Woke Approved™, right?

Hit the nail right on the head. These people are so detached that they can't even consoom things first-hand, it has to be digested and experienced for them.

They don't want to like Lord of the Rings, they want to be SOMEONE WHO LIKES Lord of the Rings. They want to be a fan. Imagine that. They don't have an honest desire to enjoy it, to meet the characters or see the story unfold for themselves, they want the identity that comes with being someone who has done that, without actually doing it.

At the risk of sperging out, it really bothers me. There are people who want to "get into anime" or "get into lord of the rings". They have this image in their head of someone who enjoys those things and they want to be that person. They want to be in on the jokes, understand the references, but without even watching the thing. It's not even a big deal, it's literally just consuming pop culture, and they can't even do that.


TL;DR: Niggas really be wantin to be nerds when back in the day being a nerd would get your lunch money stolen. Niggas can't even bother reading a book, like damn what the fuck, boy?

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Hit the nail right on the head. These people are so detached that they can't even consoom things first-hand, it has to be digested and experienced for them.

They don't want to like Lord of the Rings, they want to be SOMEONE WHO LIKES Lord of the Rings. They want to be a fan. Imagine that. They don't have an honest desire to enjoy it, to meet the characters or see the story unfold for themselves, they want the identity that comes with being someone who has done that, without actually doing it.

At the risk of sperging out, it really bothers me. There are people who want to "get into anime" or "get into lord of the rings". They have this image in their head of someone who enjoys those things and they want to be that person. They want to be in on the jokes, understand the references, but without even watching the thing. It's not even a big deal, it's literally just consuming pop culture, and they can't even do that.


TL;DR: Niggas really be wantin to be nerds when back in the day being a nerd would get your lunch money stolen. Niggas can't even bother reading a book, like damn what the fuck, boy?

All of these can be summed up as people, specially young people, lacking a sense of identity. Consumerism gives them that identity.

 

[Ishtar]

only inferiour creatures die from old age. Superiour creatures are immortal. Tolkien was a catholic fool for branding immortality as a sin for non-elves.And keeping slaves was not a sin. How biblical. Sauron did nothing wrong when he promised immortality to Numenoreans!

Tolkien was also a poor linguist. He copied words from Finnish and turned them into anagrams, which is unprofessional. Tolkien himself admitted this flaw: "...and I gave up the attempt to invent an 'unrecorded' Germanic language, and my 'own language' -- or series of invented languages -- became heavily Finnicized in phonetic pattern and structure". ".

The design of his fictional scripts (such as Tengwar) - is careless - as if he copied the patterns on a carpet or a chandelier, and are purely decorative! Compare with the fictional script from the Voynich Manuscript which looks very cool.

He mixed pagan myths and christianity and thus created the dissonance. Thus, Tolkien was Melkor himself!
Tolkiens works is nothing more than a romanticization of feudalistic relationship. All russian Tolkien Larpers support monarchy. (you can see this in their profiles description).

Firstly the elves being immortal isn’t a mark against them, it’s simply the world is tainted.

Beyond that, 10/10 bait.

 

[Open Window Maniac]

If Sauron is Eminem does that mean Melkor is Dr. Dre?