Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[A tree]

I get what you're saying, but her daughters are still dead, and were once a major part of her life. Her life and identity of caring for those girls is still gone.

You can be a bad, exploitative person, and still love and miss your little girls. She could suck up to the pro lifers who would reject her for her unladylike anger.

I think this cow needs to be put out to pasture.

You could also say that about any parent who loses a kid.
Something that I noticed about baby and child loss spaces online was that they encouraged a competitive pressure never to get over it, never move past it. I found that there were women on there who dominated the forums years and years after the loss, who's entire identity was formed around being an "angel mumma".
It took on elements of a pissing contest. Who's life was most ruined, who's gravestone was most ostentatious ,who spent the most hours weeping at the graveside.
I notice that loss parents now have almost a script for the child's milestones that you're socially expected to post each year.
I came in the end to the conclusion that while it's essential to be able to talk about this stuff and get through the trauma, its not necessarily healthy to cling to it for years and feel that you have to perform your grief publically.

Sure Gwen loved the girls, and maybe she does need to go out to pasture. It just struck me the vitriol at that doctor still being so prominent for her. That that's where her mind still goes has to be unresolved trauma.
That's not being able to say "I feel sad that I had tater babies who died young, I acknowledge that I sometimes wish for another life where Lola and Claire were healthy girls."
Or even "I felt relieved on some level when the girls eventually passed."

The pressure to always put on a public face that's positive and inspirational means squashing down the difficult feelings. That in turn creates social pressure for other parents to grieve in the same mould.

 

[AnOminous]

I wonder if China has the potential to have large genetic deformities like for example Pakistan with inbreeding. Except the reason why they have deformed babies is environmental in some way.

In much of China, the water is so polluted that stomach cancer is the leading cause of death. The air is so polluted in many areas it's dangerous even to go outside and children end up stunted while adults end up with COPD, and of course cancer. This is what happens in a "society" so sick that it completely ignores the complaints of its citizens or punishes them for complaining.

They also have nearly twice the incidence of birth defects as other countries, probably largely for the same reasons. For instance, 3% of newborns in the U.S. have birth defects, compared to 5.6% for China.

You couldn't do this in the U.S. because the NIMBYs would burn your house down. That's why there's the "environmental racism" of putting this next to poor areas (not necessarily majority minority areas) where they don't have the political will to do much other than burn down their own neighborhood periodically and then wonder why no businesses are there but liquor/convenience stores barricaded in bulletproof barriers.

 

[Chandelier]

In much of China, the water is so polluted that stomach cancer is the leading cause of death. The air is so polluted in many areas it's dangerous even to go outside and children end up stunted while adults end up with COPD, and of course cancer. This is what happens in a "society" so sick that it completely ignores the complaints of its citizens or punishes them for complaining.

They also have nearly twice the incidence of birth defects as other countries, probably largely for the same reasons. For instance, 3% of newborns in the U.S. have birth defects, compared to 5.6% for China.

You couldn't do this in the U.S. because the NIMBYs would burn your house down. That's why there's the "environmental racism" of putting this next to poor areas (not necessarily majority minority areas) where they don't have the political will to do much other than burn down their own neighborhood periodically and then wonder why no businesses are there but liquor/convenience stores barricaded in bulletproof barriers.

Disregarding the complaints of ordinary citizens has been a Chinese thing for 3000 years. Millions can starve to death during a famine and they don't give a shit. Their civil wars get 20-30 million dead and they don't give a shit.

They're also responsible for the most plastic pollution in the world. But eh, ban those plastic straws!

However Asians do tend to be more understanding of therapeutic abortion. Of course their sex selective abortions are 100% wrong, because you're ending a pregnancy because the fetus is female. It's one thing if it's a tard baby.

China does have birth defects, and they're usually found in certain regions. Only four regions of China produce the math Olympiads we see and the high SAT scores.

Lots of areas with fluoride and lead poisoning too. And I don't mean the basic toothpaste fluoride.

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

You could also say that about any parent who loses a kid.
Something that I noticed about baby and child loss spaces online was that they encouraged a competitive pressure never to get over it, never move past it. I found that there were women on there who dominated the forums years and years after the loss, who's entire identity was formed around being an "angel mumma".
It took on elements of a pissing contest. Who's life was most ruined, who's gravestone was most ostentatious ,who spent the most hours weeping at the graveside.
I notice that loss parents now have almost a script for the child's milestones that you're socially expected to post each year.
I came in the end to the conclusion that while it's essential to be able to talk about this stuff and get through the trauma, its not necessarily healthy to cling to it for years and feel that you have to perform your grief publically.

Sure Gwen loved the girls, and maybe she does need to go out to pasture. It just struck me the vitriol at that doctor still being so prominent for her that. That that's where her mind still goes has to be unresolved trauma.
That's not being able to say "I feel sad that I had tater babies who died young, I acknowledge that I sometimes wish for another life where Lola and Claire were healthy girls."
Or even "I felt relieved on some level when the girls eventually passed."

The pressure to always put on a public face that's positive and inspirational means squashing down the difficult feelings. That in turn creates social pressure for other parents to grieve in the same mould.

What disappointed me about Claire and Lola’s deaths is that their bodies weren’t donated to science. Scientists could have learned a lot more about Asparagine Synthetase Deficiency from dissecting the two Hartley sisters’ brains. But no, they both went six feet underground.

 

[BunchofMunch]

You could also say that about any parent who loses a kid.
Something that I noticed about baby and child loss spaces online was that they encouraged a competitive pressure never to get over it, never move past it. I found that there were women on there who dominated the forums years and years after the loss, who's entire identity was formed around being an "angel mumma".
It took on elements of a pissing contest. Who's life was most ruined, who's gravestone was most ostentatious ,who spent the most hours weeping at the graveside.
I notice that loss parents now have almost a script for the child's milestones that you're socially expected to post each year.
I came in the end to the conclusion that while it's essential to be able to talk about this stuff and get through the trauma, its not necessarily healthy to cling to it for years and feel that you have to perform your grief publically.

Sure Gwen loved the girls, and maybe she does need to go out to pasture. It just struck me the vitriol at that doctor still being so prominent for her that. That that's where her mind still goes has to be unresolved trauma.
That's not being able to say "I feel sad that I had tater babies who died young, I acknowledge that I sometimes wish for another life where Lola and Claire were healthy girls."
Or even "I felt relieved on some level when the girls eventually passed."

The pressure to always put on a public face that's positive and inspirational means squashing down the difficult feelings. That in turn creates social pressure for other parents to grieve in the same mould.

It's pretty interesting how much this mindset has changed in recent years. When I've done some genealogy for my family I noticed that there would often be two children with the same name in one family. That's because one of those kids had always died young, and then they used that same name for the next child of the same sex. Had you done that today you would probably be considered cold or even heartless, but to be honest I think - even in all its practicality - it's kind of sweet. Like your kid is back, they just needed another body. It doesn't mean our ancestors didn't grieve a lost child, I'm very sure they did, but they knew they had to move on after that and focus on the children that lived.

 

[A tree]

It's pretty interesting how much this mindset has changed in recent years. When I've done some genealogy for my family I noticed that there would often be two children with the same name in one family. That's because one of those kids had always died young, and then they used that same name for the next child of the same sex. Had you done that today you would probably be considered cold or even heartless, but to be honest I think - even in all its practicality - it's kind of sweet. Like your kid is back, they just needed another body. It doesn't mean our ancestors didn't grieve a lost child, I'm very sure they did, but they knew they had to move on after that and focus on the children that lived.

It was the norm back then. Most parents would lose a child or 5. I dont think we can really understand how it must have felt to exist without modern medicine.
No wonder people needed religion.
It must have really had an effect on how their mentality and worldview developed. Is it any wonder the victorians were so disposed to gothic imagery when death must have been everywhere for them. Be it corpses laid out in the living room or families regularly burying children from disease.

 

[BunchofMunch]

It was the norm back then. Most parents would lose a child or 5. I dont think we can really understand how it must have felt to exist without modern medicine.
No wonder people needed religion.
It must have really had an effect on how their mentality and worldview developed. Is it any wonder the victorians were so disposed to gothic imagery when death must have been everywhere for them. Be it corpses laid out in the living room or families regularly burying children from disease.

Yeah, it's unbelievable how so many people at the same time seem to be aiming to get back to that kind of reality by refusing genetic testing, vaccines and delivering your kids at a hospital...

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

What disappointed me about Claire and Lola’s deaths is that their bodies weren’t donated to science. Scientists could have learned a lot more about Asparagine Synthetase Deficiency from dissecting the two Hartley sisters’ brains. But no, they both went six feet underground.

Meh, I don't know what their bodies could have told us that isn't already known. They had a full physical workup, including MRIs and were actually featured in a journal article. The useful data were generated when they were alive. There's also an Asns mouse model.

People really get into the idea of "body donation", both for Tard Babies and deathfats, but sometimes there's just not much that's useful to learn after death.

 

[A tree]

Meh, I don't know what their bodies could have told us that isn't already known. They had a full physical workup, including MRIs and were actually featured in a journal article. The useful data were generated when they were alive. There's also an Asns mouse model.

People really get into the idea of "body donation", both for Tard Babies and deathfats, but sometimes there's just not much that's useful to learn after death.

And y'know they were people. Severely fucked up horrifying people but people nonetheless. They weren't capable of giving consent to that and i think its perfectly reasonable for Gwen to want to bury them intact. Their bodies suffered enough indignity in life.

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

Yeah, it's unbelievable how so many people at the same time seem to be aiming to get back to that kind of reality by refusing genetic testing, vaccines and delivering your kids at a hospital...

Sanitation is a big reason why childhood deaths are less prevalent as well. A cleaner environment causes less disease to spread.

 

[Wine em Dine em 69 em]

You could also say that about any parent who loses a kid.
Something that I noticed about baby and child loss spaces online was that they encouraged a competitive pressure never to get over it, never move past it. I found that there were women on there who dominated the forums years and years after the loss, who's entire identity was formed around being an "angel mumma".
It took on elements of a pissing contest. Who's life was most ruined, who's gravestone was most ostentatious ,who spent the most hours weeping at the graveside.
I notice that loss parents now have almost a script for the child's milestones that you're socially expected to post each year.
I came in the end to the conclusion that while it's essential to be able to talk about this stuff and get through the trauma, its not necessarily healthy to cling to it for years and feel that you have to perform your grief publically.

Sure Gwen loved the girls, and maybe she does need to go out to pasture. It just struck me the vitriol at that doctor still being so prominent for her. That that's where her mind still goes has to be unresolved trauma.
That's not being able to say "I feel sad that I had tater babies who died young, I acknowledge that I sometimes wish for another life where Lola and Claire were healthy girls."
Or even "I felt relieved on some level when the girls eventually passed."

The pressure to always put on a public face that's positive and inspirational means squashing down the difficult feelings. That in turn creates social pressure for other parents to grieve in the same mould.

Someone should reopen the HH thread and highlight this post right here, then close the thread again. So very insightful, though I fear it’s come to you from your own experience if I remember correctly. In a weird way maybe KF is a good outlet in a world where it’s hard to express ourselves freely.

So many of these SM mamas could benefit from grief and end-of-life counseling, especially the ones like Robyn that need to grieve what happened to Luna at birth, what is happening to her right now, and to prepare for what is inevitably going to happen. Her entire Instagram is about running away from her feelings.
(Speaking of the Hartley Hooligans thread, if anyone has somehow managed to save any videos, plz let staff know, because so many of them were posted but never archived and we’re missing a lot of footage, thanks)

 

[booklover]

In much of China, the water is so polluted that stomach cancer is the leading cause of death. The air is so polluted in many areas it's dangerous even to go outside and children end up stunted while adults end up with COPD, and of course cancer. This is what happens in a "society" so sick that it completely ignores the complaints of its citizens or punishes them for complaining.

They also have nearly twice the incidence of birth defects as other countries, probably largely for the same reasons. For instance, 3% of newborns in the U.S. have birth defects, compared to 5.6% for China.

You couldn't do this in the U.S. because the NIMBYs would burn your house down. That's why there's the "environmental racism" of putting this next to poor areas (not necessarily majority minority areas) where they don't have the political will to do much other than burn down their own neighborhood periodically and then wonder why no businesses are there but liquor/convenience stores barricaded in bulletproof barriers.

There are parts of east Asia where a genetic type of stomach cancer is not uncommon as well. (A former co-worker who was half Japanese died from this a couple years ago.) Stomach cancer used to be a common cause of death in the U.S., although probably not the same type, and has decreased dramatically in incidence, probably due to the reduction in consumption of smoked meats (which used to be a necessity if you wanted to eat meat when it wasn't butchering season) and fewer people using chewing tobacco.

Malnutrition also contributes heavily to birth defects.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

There are parts of east Asia where a genetic type of stomach cancer is not uncommon as well. (A former co-worker who was half Japanese died from this a couple years ago.) Stomach cancer used to be a common cause of death in the U.S., although probably not the same type, and has decreased dramatically in incidence, probably due to the reduction in consumption of smoked meats (which used to be a necessity if you wanted to eat meat when it wasn't butchering season) and fewer people using chewing tobacco.

Malnutrition also contributes heavily to birth defects.

Gastric cancer in general is more prevalent in East Asia. I'm not sure what kind you are talking about, specifically, but there's a pretty bad type called linitis plastica which is much more common in Asia.

 

[Nora Freeze]

Fun fact, Holy Roman Empress Maria Theresa named three of her daughters Maria Carolina because they kept dying and it's a good name, dammit.

 

[GenociderSyo]

Working on a certifcate at the moment for forensic child psychology and in it they discuss mortality rates of children and they state that until the 1900s the median age was only 16 now its in the 40s. So even if you survived childhood you were not going far beyond it.

 

[Garbage.Theory]

And y'know they were people. Severely fucked up horrifying people but people nonetheless. They weren't capable of giving consent to that and i think its perfectly reasonable for Gwen to want to bury them intact. Their bodies suffered enough indignity in life.

Just third-ing this. The days of learning from human dissection is long since past. We are well within doing genetic workups and I’m sure that the sisters’ DNA, and maybe a bit of cyro-preserved tissue has been banked somewhere for future research. We simply do not need whole bodies anymore.

(If you still want to donate your body “to science” it could be put to good use in medical schools. One place where human dissection is still very useful is in teaching new doctors)

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

Watched the video in the article and they mention how the polio vaccine got banned in Nigeria in 2003. Today they can vaccinate and it shows a line of mothers holding their baby waiting to be vaccinated.

Many poor countries are willing to wait hours to receive much needed medical care and vaccination, while many retards in first world countries like the USA refuse to vaccinate because of insane conspiracy theories they read on facebook.

Anyway this video is interesting, it's one of the last iron lungs. I won't lie, the iron lung looks absolutely terrifying. This man catch polio in 1952 when he was 6 years old. He still managed to accomplish a lot of things despite having to live attached to it.

For anyone who is wondering why people prefer an iron lung over the more recent non-invasive ventilation (NIV) options, apparently it's all a matter of what you're used to using. The iron lungs used negative pressure to simulate the diaphragmatic movement of taking a breath. Technology these days uses positive pressure, which keeps the lungs expanded by pushing air into them in various ways. Apparently, the feeling is very different, and some people who grew up in an iron lung just can't get used to BiPAP or other forms of NIV available now.

 

[GreenHell]

You could also say that about any parent who loses a kid.
Something that I noticed about baby and child loss spaces online was that they encouraged a competitive pressure never to get over it, never move past it. I found that there were women on there who dominated the forums years and years after the loss, who's entire identity was formed around being an "angel mumma".
It took on elements of a pissing contest. Who's life was most ruined, who's gravestone was most ostentatious ,who spent the most hours weeping at the graveside.
I notice that loss parents now have almost a script for the child's milestones that you're socially expected to post each year.
I came in the end to the conclusion that while it's essential to be able to talk about this stuff and get through the trauma, its not necessarily healthy to cling to it for years and feel that you have to perform your grief publically.

Sure Gwen loved the girls, and maybe she does need to go out to pasture. It just struck me the vitriol at that doctor still being so prominent for her. That that's where her mind still goes has to be unresolved trauma.
That's not being able to say "I feel sad that I had tater babies who died young, I acknowledge that I sometimes wish for another life where Lola and Claire were healthy girls."
Or even "I felt relieved on some level when the girls eventually passed."

The pressure to always put on a public face that's positive and inspirational means squashing down the difficult feelings. That in turn creates social pressure for other parents to grieve in the same mould.

Truth be told, I was sympathetic (and dare I say, even moved) at the start of Gwen's post about Claire. Then she started pissing and moaning about "that dickhead doctor" and how Claire defied all of "shitty, innaccurate predictions" by being "healthy and thriving", and all my sympathy went out the window. Beneath the trauma and grief, she's still the same self-absorbed, lying Gwen.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

And y'know they were people. Severely fucked up horrifying people but people nonetheless. They weren't capable of giving consent to that and i think its perfectly reasonable for Gwen to want to bury them intact. Their bodies suffered enough indignity in life.

"Their bodies suffered enough indignity in life, so it's perfectly reasonable for Gwen to want them buried intact."
Have you read her thread?
She caused them all their indignity, posting videos of them shitting and puking on the internet, stuffing them into stupid costumes, and trying to create something that wasn't there for like 14 years instead of humanely letting her meat puppets pass on.
Gwen Hartley deserves no sympathy.

 

[Wine em Dine em 69 em]

"Their bodies suffered enough indignity in life, so it's perfectly reasonable for Gwen to want them buried intact."
Have you read her thread?
She caused them all their indignity, posting videos of them shitting and puking on the internet, stuffing them into stupid costumes, and trying to create something that wasn't there for like 14 years instead of humanely letting her meat puppets pass on.
Gwen Hartley deserves no sympathy.

Ok, that’s been thoroughly established, but what does that have to do with Gwen’s preferences for their burial?