Grand Jury speculation thread

[Hexbox]

...if he wrote a resume now, the crazy would be off the scale.

At least now he can say he went to the "School of Hard Knocks."

 

[thegooddoctor]

I hope this is the final chapter of Chris as we speak.

I sure as hell fucking don’t, Chris needs to be milked for all eternity as of this point.

 

[LargeChoonger]

I hope this is the final chapter of Chris as we speak.

 

[Optimus Prime]

If they really wanted to punish Chris that bad, it's still entirely possible to up it to a felony and hold him for 10 years, make every three nights it's own charge so he's looking at 10 years for EACH, add rape charges, elder abuse charges, financial abuse charges, and try any and all of them as felonies, until Chris is looking at 75 years in state pen.

Greene County is far from helpless if they want to throw the book at Chris. If he walks tomorrow, it's their fault

Realistically, I think Chris is just enough of an insignificant annoyance that the court is going to wash their hands of the matter and let him walk on a first time offense with time served...with restrictions.

Namely, as said before, never being allowed alone with Barb in the same room ever again. Her family certainly is going to ensure this if the judge doesn't anyway. Maybe at most a court-assigned civil caretaker to keep an eye on Chris ala a parole officer of sorts.

The biggest issue on our part is we don't know the results of the medical check done on Barb shortly after Chris was arrested, nor the results of the most recent psych eval.

Ultimately, it's going to come down to how hard the prosecution wants to go after Chris and of course the Judge's decision. Though from the get-go, it's not like Chris has ever shown respect for the Judge's authority so shit could go very south very quickly if Chris gets a bee in his bonnet over some dumb thing like pronouns.

 

[LargeChoonger]

Realistically, I think Chris is just enough of an insignificant annoyance that the court is going to wash their hands of the matter and let him walk on a first time offense with time served...with restrictions.

Namely, as said before, never being allowed alone with Barb in the same room ever again. Her family certainly is going to ensure this if the judge doesn't anyway. Maybe at most a court-assigned civil caretaker to keep an eye on Chris ala a parole officer of sorts.

As if he'd ever follow a court order without a tard wrangler up his ass constantly

The biggest issue on our part is we don't know the results of the medical check done on Barb shortly after Chris was arrested, nor the results of the most recent psych eval.

Will we ever know? I'm not an expert but those are some really sensitive records and may be sealed

Ultimately, it's going to come down to how hard the prosecution wants to go after Chris and of course the Judge's decision. Though from the get-go, it's not like Chris has ever shown respect for the Judge's authority so shit could go very south very quickly if Chris gets a bee in his bonnet over some dumb thing like pronouns.

Bingo

 

[Second-Hand Boat Supplies]

If they really wanted to punish Chris that bad, it's still entirely possible to up it to a felony and hold him for 10 years, make every three nights it's own charge so he's looking at 10 years for EACH, add rape charges, elder abuse charges, financial abuse charges, and try any and all of them as felonies, until Chris is looking at 75 years in state pen.

Greene County is far from helpless if they want to throw the book at Chris. If he walks tomorrow, it's their fault

They also have to have evidence that all of those things actually happened. As it stands, it seems like they don’t exactly have a slam dunk on even one count, even though everyone involved feels pretty confidently that he did it

 

[ScaliasGhost]

They also have to have evidence that all of those things actually happened. As it stands, it seems like they don’t exactly have a slam dunk on even one count, even though everyone involved feels pretty confidently that he did it

At this point, it seems most likely that all the state (cOmOnWeAlTh) can prove BRD is that consensual sex occurred. I don't think any prosecutor would hold off on filing rape charges for this long if sufficient evidence was there. We'll find out tomorrow I guess.

 

[anti SJW]

Maybe they trade Chris for Brittney Griner.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

Bingo

That headline made me laugh so hard, I thought a troll would have made that article/page up.

Maybe they trade Chris for Brittney Griner.

They will kill Chris over there.

 

[Royalty Free Fish Food]

so if he wrote a resume now, the crazy would be off the scale.

Does being Jesus Christ count as an occupation or...?

 

[Ophelia]

Does being Jesus Christ count as an occupation or...?

According to Chris it does.

 

[Big Buns]

I just really want to know if he can return to 14BC or not.

 

[Hoodie]

Here's hoping Chris decides to correct the judge about his name being Jesus.

 

[Second-Hand Boat Supplies]

At this point, it seems most likely that all the state (cOmOnWeAlTh) can prove BRD is that consensual sex occurred. I don't think any prosecutor would hold off on filing rape charges for this long if sufficient evidence was there. We'll find out tomorrow I guess.

A related question to any legal kiwi, qualified or not:

if we take Chris’s words as true and assume incest happened once every three days (big of as usual) and the state chose to treat each separate occurrence as it’s own charge, they would have to have evidence to prove BRD that each time happened. If they pursue a single charge, do they have to specify one instance to make their case or can they take a more general approach? Could they successfully charge two counts and argue something along the lines of “we can’t prove exactly how many times but we have evidence to support that it was at least two”?

The tldr version: what are the subtitles between multiple counts and single counts of a criminal charge?

 

[The Man With No Name]

A related question to any legal kiwi, qualified or not:

if we take Chris’s words as true and assume incest happened once every three days (big of as usual) and the state chose to treat each separate occurrence as it’s own charge, they would have to have evidence to prove BRD that each time happened. If they pursue a single charge, do they have to specify one instance to make their case or can they take a more general approach? Could they successfully charge two counts and argue something along the lines of “we can’t prove exactly how many times but we have evidence to support that it was at least two”?

The tldr version: what are the subtitles between multiple counts and single counts of a criminal charge?

Well, it would depend. The state really only needs to prove anything if it goes to trial. Should it go to trial (and they classify it as a felony), then a grand jury would be convened to review the charges. If the grand jury determines there is probable cause and that the accused may have actually committed the crime, then it moves forward and the accused will stand trial. Most likely, if on a felony offense, they'd probably go for multiple counts as the state would like to prove they did as much as possible (in case one of the charges gets beaten). Then it would typically be up to the judge whether the sentences are served concurrently or consecutively.

It would be less likely for the case to go to trial if he was charged with misdemeanors. If it did, then it is still up to the judge to decide how to the multiple charges are served. I imagine Chris' lawyer will try/is trying to plea down pretty much all of it to avoid a trial specifically.

 

[ScaliasGhost]

A related question to any legal kiwi, qualified or not:

if we take Chris’s words as true and assume incest happened once every three days (big of as usual) and the state chose to treat each separate occurrence as it’s own charge, they would have to have evidence to prove BRD that each time happened. If they pursue a single charge, do they have to specify one instance to make their case or can they take a more general approach? Could they successfully charge two counts and argue something along the lines of “we can’t prove exactly how many times but we have evidence to support that it was at least two”?

The tldr version: what are the subtitles between multiple counts and single counts of a criminal charge?

It depends on state law. In general, each occurrence would need to be its own charge, with supporting evidence to be decided independently by a jury. So "a ,b, c, evidence supports Count I, rape on 08/08/2022; x, y, z, evidence supports Count II, rape on 08/12/2022, etc.." Technically, however, an actual date is usually not an element necessary for the crime, but it is usually necessary in a practical sense.

In special cases, however, some courts allow a more general allegation. This usually has to do with situations where a child tells police he or she was raped or assaulted "a like year ago" or something, and cannot specify a date due to elapsed time, repressed memories, etc. Those cases obviously get very complex because physical evidence is usually gone and it's just "he said she said." To the best of my knowledge, charging in that manner allows you to bring up in evidence multiple times the assault could have happened, but only one charge, and the jury only chooses one sequence of events beyond reasonable doubt to apply to that charge. These are very complex criminal cases and if there physical evidence (which generally points to a specific time period) a prosecutor would not want to charge that way because of the risk of a not guilty.

Again this is just a very general overview.

 

[AnOminous]

Greene County is far from helpless if they want to throw the book at Chris. If he walks tomorrow, it's their fault

That depends. If they don't have any actual evidence of rape and Barb herself denies it, or just refuses to testify, it would be nearly impossible to prove and the DA would just be wasting everyone's time.

If the grand jury determines there is probable cause and that the accused may have actually committed the crime, then it moves forward and the accused will stand trial.

A DA will rarely bring a case that is so weak that it can't even get past a grand jury, hence the saying that a grand jury will indict a ham sandwich. To a certain extent, the criticism of the grand jury system as just a rubber stamp for prosecutorial discretion is accurate, but it actually does weed out the occasional unfathomably bogus case.

As it stands, it seems like they don’t exactly have a slam dunk on even one count, even though everyone involved feels pretty confidently that he did it

I think Heilberg would actually have tried for an outright win if the DA didn't have Chris dead to rights on the one count he's currently charged with.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

A related question to any legal kiwi, qualified or not:

if we take Chris’s words as true and assume incest happened once every three days (big of as usual) and the state chose to treat each separate occurrence as it’s own charge, they would have to have evidence to prove BRD that each time happened. If they pursue a single charge, do they have to specify one instance to make their case or can they take a more general approach? Could they successfully charge two counts and argue something along the lines of “we can’t prove exactly how many times but we have evidence to support that it was at least two”?

The tldr version: what are the subtitles between multiple counts and single counts of a criminal charge?

For one charge, they just have to prove that something happened. For multiple counts, they have to prove each individual instance that it happened. Again, Chris saying he did something is not proof that a crime happened, it only proves that he was the one who did it.

I think, however, if Barb had kept a record of each time that they soul bonded, and described it in detail to the authorities, then we would be looking at a felony indictment since it would imply that Barb was deliberately throwing Chris under the bus.

EDIT: To answer the "at least two times" question, then yes, it would be possible. I just can't think of any evidence that they could have that could prove "at least twice" without also having more specific proof. It's not like Barb's cooch has an odometer, especially one that gets stuck at 2. Barb could say that it happened "at least twice", but they'd want more specific descriptions.

It would be less likely for the case to go to trial if he was charged with misdemeanors. If it did, then it is still up to the judge to decide how to the multiple charges are served. I imagine Chris' lawyer will try/is trying to plea down pretty much all of it to avoid a trial specifically.

If they really filed a charge for each of the 10 events that Chris claimed ("every three days", over the course of a month), and there was a threat of consecutive sentences, Heilberg would almost certainly call their bluff (unless they actually had good evidence, in which case we'd probably see very different behavior both from the court and from Chris).

That depends. If they don't have any actual evidence of rape and Barb herself denies it, or just refuses to testify,

Unlikely, but entertaining plot twist: Barb refuses to testify, and they jail Barb for contempt of court.

(Given the nature of the crime, there would be a strong 5th Amendment claim allowing her not to testify, but they could just unilaterally give her immunity first, then jail her. No, this would almost certainly not actually happen, it's just a fun to think about.)

 

[SaltyFanta]

I just really want to know if he can return to 14BC or not.

I'd find it hard to imagine they wouldn't. Unless they're fine with Chris going right back and starting back where he left off.

I hope this is the end of the incest arc, and not the beginning of incest arc 2.

 

[The Dark Souls of Retards]

one of my friends is a massive ween and keeps trying to convince me to go with him to West Virginia in a pickle suit with him for the final hearing.

I don't think Chris possesses the problem solving skills or grit necessary to break into a home. I don't think he'd have an easy time breaking a window and crawling in.

feel like he'd try to break in in broad daylight and someone would come along at some point. he'd be hard to miss.