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[Fenrir Worshipper]

Does your prayer involve murdering Odin? No? Then you're calling on the wrong thing.

Well, the last bit isn't quite true in my experiences, but that's neither here nor there

Regardless, that altar is absolutely embarrassing and I'd be ashamed to share it with anyone neverless dedicate it to a god. Especially one with the personality of Fenrir

What really gets me rolling is that it basically consists of the following:
1. A plate with PICTURES of random rocks on it
2. Two random rocks (I CAN FEEL THEIR ENERGY)
3. A random burnt candle (Gold so is supposed to be of value? Why?)
4. A dirty plushie (If you're going to be cringe, at least fucking clean it)
5. A piece of a bush
6. Cheap, likely plasic chain broken from, more likely than not, a hoodie from hot topic

It's like some autistic teen's attempt to show off that they too are cool like the other redditors and make a shrine of random knickknacks they collected together from around the house

I spent like ten minutes on that subreddit and it's mostly just some pozzed witch wannabees posting cringe and decrying anyone right of fucking crazy and 'cursing' them

And then shit like this. I'm embarrassed that shit like this is what people find when you look up paganism. And all the pozzed politics they claim is required to 'be a real pagan'...

 

[Agarathium1066]

Well, the last bit isn't quite true in my experiences, but that's neither here nor there

Regardless, that altar is absolutely embarrassing and I'd be ashamed to share it with anyone neverless dedicate it to a god. Especially one with the personality of Fenrir

Here I thought the username was meant to be an ironic choice.

3. A random burnt candle (Gold so is supposed to be of value? Why?)

At least from what I know the idea is the color of the wax of a candle helps attune the person's intentions to whatever spell or outcome is needed. I've never personally heard gold or metallics being 'of value' but maybe implying its meant to be fancy or akin to an offering of gold is the idea. I actually asked a pagan-esque friend what a gold candle implies and according to them they've never heard of a specific meaning for it. Though they don't claim to be an academic source and neither do I.

Then again that would take effort and given what was seen that's far outside the striking range of this person as it is with many others. It's likely a miracle they've not included various other animal deities or figures because it fits their 'aesthetic'.

 

[Ophelia]

A brief googling tells me gold candles are for prosperity and happiness, charged with masculine sun energy.

 

[Agarathium1066]

A brief googling tells me gold candles are for prosperity and happiness, charged with masculine sun energy.

That's what I saw as well but I figured I'd ask someone who has read far more into these things than I did.

In my own personal experiences I just saw them mostly for winter ceremonies, usually around Christmas. I always assumed that was more a 'these candles look dandy' choice than something deeper.

 

[Fenrir Worshipper]

Here I thought the username was meant to be an ironic choice.

No, I actually do worship Fenrir

Though they don't claim to be an academic source and neither do I.

And to be fair, in terms of spirituality and paganism, specifically Norse Paganism in this instance, there's not really any much in the way of academic sources. Much of what is known about the general motifs and stories have been altered from the original context, including the written stories of which were written by Christian scholars from storytellers re-telling their tales for an increasingly Christian audience in the time period

So really, these sort of things can be up to community or individual interpretation depending on one's outlook. For Rokkatru, worhsippers of the children of Loki, (As such, Fenrir) this tends to be very individualistic in nature

But that still doesn't make that shrine any less shit to anyone else

 

[RazorBackBacon]

An altar to Fenrir posted on r/pagan...
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Honestly, this is embarrassing

He eats the gods you stupid bitch. He's worse than Satan because at least Satan loses in the end. Fenrir wins. Fuck off you fake-ass bitch.

 

[Protistology]

So really, these sort of things can be up to community or individual interpretation depending on one's outlook. For Rokkatru, worhsippers of the children of Loki, (As such, Fenrir) this tends to be very individualistic in nature

First, there was Asatru, which meant, technically, “True to the Aesir”, or the Norse/Germanic Gods of sky and war and culture. They included Odin, Frigga, Heimdall, Baldur, Iduna, Bragi, and many others. Eventually, those whose religious practice concentrated on the Vanir – the second, more agricultural pantheon of Gods including Frey, Freya, Njord, and Nerthus – decided that they would be called Vanatru. Some time after that, Abby Helasdottir of New Zealand coined the term Rökkatru, for those whose primary focus was the third pantheon of underworld Gods. These include Hela, Loki, Angrboda, Sigyn, Fenris, Jormundgand, Narvi and Vali, Surt, Mordgud, and Mengloth, among others.

Rokkatru. When being a Norse Pagan isn't edgy and rebel enough.

 

[Fenrir Worshipper]

He eats the gods you stupid bitch. He's worse than Satan because at least Satan loses in the end. Fenrir wins. Fuck off you fake-ass bitch.

I feel as if you are lacking perspective here- possibly implying that only the Aesir Pantheon are gods, that they are of moral upstanding compared to gods of the other pantheons, as well as the tale itself. Odin tricked Fenrir into being bound- not because Fenrir was any sort of malicious entity, but because he was supposedly prophesized to destroy them. Fearing Fenrir's growing strength, they had betrayed him into being bound. Personally, I wouldn't blame Fenrir for wanting revenge after having been tricked into imprisonment yet having not done anything of cause

And your line of thinking is very dualistic and shaped by good vs evil- there exists no such thing in Norse Paganism. There is chaos and there is order, but neither are specifically bad or good. They are all gods and all deserve worship. Whether your personal bias sees one as evil and another as not, does not matter. Now, there is room for conversation on how Norse Paganism evolved upon the introduction of Christianity into the region as the two adopted aspects from each other and melded heavily until Christianity became the dominant faith. Much so as the Christian view on good/evil painted the exact bias you have and how specific gods are seen. But taking away Christianity, it simply does not exist in the faith

I have my own reasons as to why Fenrir is my patron, but that is neither here nor there

Rokkatru. When being a Norse Pagan isn't edgy and rebel enough.

Refer to my second paragraph to Razor-

 

[NoReturn]

An altar to Fenrir posted on r/pagan...
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Honestly, this is embarrassing

"Oh mighty fenrir, please accept this weird ass tray on my cheapo particle board desk. I have also added a thin piece of nerd cardboard and a plushy I have jerked it to. Amen." Then they sprinkle crumbled beggin strips over the tray and hope for the best.

Seriously if you're going to attempt to pray to something you should at least make it not so pathetic that even you personally would find it meager. Doubly so if you intend to pray to a destroyer figure. Not that I think Fenrir would answer any prayers as he's really just a giant fucking wolf who is destined to murder some important figures. Does your prayer involve murdering Odin? No? Then you're calling on the wrong thing.

A chain?!

"Hey reddit, here's my offering to Baldr, it's mistletoe!"
"Hey guys here's my homage to JFK, I made sure to include both a rifle and a secret service handgun to cover my bases."

 

[speedweed]

I worship Fenrir as a patron Saint because I think wolves are cool. Here's two paragraphs explaining why that's definitely not autistic. Awoooo~ !

I hate to break it to you but all those snow nigger pagan kangs willingly converted to Christianity because it's a better religion.

Spoiler: Sperging

I'm sick of having to entertain the idea that paganism is anything more than an aesthetic. The only reason it even exists in the modern day is because a bunch of over-educated personality vacuums from the 19th/20th century called themselves "druids", "wiccans" and "pagans" in a desperate attempt to make themselves seem more interesting.

You are cut from the same cloth as them, and like them you desperately cling like a limpet to the ass of Christianity, constantly bitching and moaning about how inferior christfags are or whatever, meanwhile making no attempts to further your own religion beyond regurgitating schizoid Jordan Peterson-tier takes about chaos and order on gay online forums. What do pagans even do beyond practice a slightly altered form of Christianity, anyway? Pray to an altar of your favourite Saint (in your case, Fenrir, whom you literally refer to as your patron kek) and uh... hug trees, I guess? Rewatch The Northman for the eighth time? I suppose there are worse ways to spend your time.

At the end of the day religions have to be made out of tougher stuff than mere aesthetics alone if they want to endure. Christians time and time again preferred to be tortured to death than renounce their faith. Can the same be said of pagans? No.

The reason that people think pagans are a bunch of fag LARPers is because whereas a man might dedicate his life to honoring God, no one is willing to dedicate their life to fucking Odin. Why? Because it's not a religion, it's an outfit. And the saddest part is pagan aesthetics suck. Only fringe weirdos think man-buns, arm sleeves and an above average BMI are cool, and those fringe weirdos haven't been kitsch for almost a decade.

If you guys actually start doing cool shit beyond worshipping Vikings (2013) as your bible then maybe I won't be as ass mad as I am here today. But until then I want my hats.

 

[Fenrir Worshipper]

**Spergs out**

I understand you're sperging out, but I'm sure you're a true down-to-earth Christian and aren't just spouting nonsense to feel superior despite a lack of understanding of the spiritual. I'm a follower of no church or group and my faith is individual in nature, so conflating it with any group simply does not apply

And it's true that Norse Paganism almost entirely disappeared because the majority of the population converted. I sure haven't denied it. But it doesn't mean that the motifs and ideas are invalid and entirely unusable for one's own faith and life

Your gods are what you make of them, my friend

Oh, but you are correct- It is not a religion. It is purely spiritually. A religion has a specific doctrine and organization backing it- Christianity, Islam, etc, have this. Norse Paganism does not, however there are groups that exist that define their own idea of what Norse Paganism is and follow it- but there is no universal experience and I believe that any trying to find one are those that you are talking about that follow a 'slightly modified version of Christianity'- because they are.

There exists different forms of paganism today- two of which being those attempting to follow what they believe pagans in the past did, and those taking the motifs and stories of the past and creating their own faith from it. I belong in the latter, personally. And personally, I also don't like being called 'pagan'- I think feel as a general term, it's to broad and conflates my beliefs with those that you seem to have an issue with; However, I tend to use it because if I say pagan, you know generally what I mean. But if I say an individual form of Rokkatru, you have no idea what I'm talking about

 

[Protistology]

Christians time and time again preferred to be tortured to death than renounce their faith.

The martyrs have damaged the truth. Even to this day the crude fact of persecution is enough to give an honourable name to the most empty sort of sectarianism. - But why? Is the worth of a cause altered by the fact that some one had laid down his life for it? - An error that becomes honourable is simply an error that has acquired one seductive charm the more: do you suppose, my dear theologians, that we shall give you the chance to be martyred for your lies? - One best disposes of a cause by respectfully putting it on ice. This was precisely the world-historical stupidity of all the persecutors: that they gave the appearance of honour to the cause they opposed - that they made it a present of the fascination of martyrdom. Women are still on their knees before an error because they have been told that some one died on the cross for it. Is the cross, then, an argument?

-Friedrich Nietzsche, The Antichrist

tl;dr lol calm down

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

An altar to Fenrir posted on r/pagan...
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Honestly, this is embarrassing

God, I wish Fenrir would eat my ass, already

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Your gods are what you make of them, my friend

There exists different forms of paganism today- two of which being those attempting to follow what they believe pagans in the past did, and those taking the motifs and stories of the past and creating their own faith from it. I belong in the latter, personally.

This kind of attitude is just as much a problem as trannies and furries in Paganism today.

 

[Fenrir Worshipper]

This kind of attitude is just as much a problem as trannies and furries in Paganism today.

You do realize that there is no accurate information as to how those in the past worshipped paganism, correct?

Considering the lack of any real information, besides what we know of the motifs passed down through a Christian lens, how would one decide their worship?

Would the first person who stumbled upon the motifs and writ their ideas down decide it for everyone after?

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

You do realize that there is no accurate information as to how those in the past worshipped paganism, correct?

Considering the lack of any real information, besides what we know of the motifs passed down through a Christian lens, how would one decide their worship?

Would the first person who stumbled upon the motifs and writ their ideas down decide it for everyone after?

We get it man, you are angry that your parents forced you to go to Sunday School.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

You do realize that there is no accurate information as to how those in the past worshipped paganism, correct?

Considering the lack of any real information, besides what we know of the motifs passed down through a Christian lens, how would one decide their worship?

Would the first person who stumbled upon the motifs and writ their ideas down decide it for everyone after?

It's called anthropology and archaeology.

 

[speedweed]

I understand you're sperging out, but I'm sure you're a true down-to-earth Christian and aren't just spouting nonsense to feel superior despite a lack of understanding of the spiritual. Awoooo ~ !!!

I'm not a Christian, I just think people who pray to wolves are cringe. How do you worship a god you admit you don't know how to worship? How can you have a deep connection to Fenrir who in the (scarce and much diluted) sources was merely a side character? Worshipping Fenrir seems about as retarded to me as worshiping Cain.

Your beliefs are inconsistent at best and at worse are an edgy mess of sophistry. I feel the reason neo-pagans gripe about Christianity so much is because their entire system of beliefs exist solely in opposition to Christian theology. There is no originality. All this "hey brother, just worship the gods in whichever way you wish" nonsense reduces the gods to mere celebrities and shows your complete and utter lack of reverence towards them. If you don't take your gods seriously, how can we? Hence why this thread exists.

You're exactly the same as these fatherless goons who buy wolf plushies handcrafted by the finest Bangladeshi slaves to honor Fenrir, only you're more self aware. But, like an arrogant Christian, you come here mocking someone else's devotion to your god as inferior to your own. Your facade of niceness and tolerance doesn't convince me. What makes you any different to that autist you made fun of earlier? Who are you to say their plastic tray isn't an adequate vessel of worship? The lady doth double-post too much, methinks.

 

[RazorBackBacon]

Man, isn't it funny how the second we point out that worshipping Fenrir is stupid even by the standards the Norse themselves followed, we suddenly all get labeled as Christians?

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

I personally don't get why from all paganism everyone choose norse, even people from heritage that has nothing to do with vikings or even germanic people. Well , sure, i know its because of pop culture, videogames, tv shows and black metal , just seems lame that vikings never did anything of note beyond thieving and raping but somehow they are enshirened as the the epitome of european culture, despite not even being civilized enough to write their own histories.