Grand Jury speculation thread

[Johan Schmidt]

Damn, here's hoping Liquid Chris bursts in copies and Jean Val Jean.

 

[PsychoNerd054]

Just remember to livestream.

Forgot to, fuck. It was quite the mess to clean up.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

Jail. Although I would not rule out a brief return to the nut hut once he realizes he’s not going home. The Tard Rage Meltdown will be epic. Well that and the guards may write up his attempts to run through the wall/portal as self harm and send him to be evaluated so they can have a few days peace.

Imagine Chris updated mugshot.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

• https://www.vacourts.gov/courts/circuit/Greene/home.html
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• Terms begin 2nd Mon., Feb., April, June, Aug., Oct., & Dec. October Term: Tues. after 2nd Mon. as 2nd Mon. is a holiday
• Grand Juries, 1st day of Term, 9:00 a.m

The earliest it could be is Aug. 8

That's our date on our calendar then. I don't know how fast they enter stuff in the database but we will probably know his full set of charges the next day.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Not necessarily. Circuit court can still hand down a misdemeanor sentence. In the Snyder case, Chris was indicted on a felony and it went to circuit court (presumably from fucking up a plea deal while in district court), but his plea deal involved being wobbled down to a misdemeanor.



Is a suspended sentence on a felony called "parole" in Virginia? It was my understanding that it's "felony probation".

If they do slap him with a large suspended sentence, how long do you think his probation period will be? As I understand it, recent reform has capped it at 5 years maximum for felonies, so you can't keep people on probation forever.

One thing I'm most curious about is if they could try to use deferred disposition. I know that that is a recent option for mentally ill defendants, but I'm not sure how it's being applied and the severity of cases to which it has been applied. Do you have any insight on this?

its...complicated. Suspended Sentences and Parole are sort of the same thing but not really. Basically it means Chris is not "convicted" of the crimes. He just agrees its entirely likely he did the crimes. Its the felony equivalent, sort of, to pleading "no contest" to a traffic ticket. It basically allows the court to do whatever the hell it wants "in the interests of justice", and provided you do the thing it demands, not only do you not get to go to jail but at the end of the suspension your criminal record is expunged and you are free to go. Probation on the other hand requires a conviction, and time served. Your criminal record is never expunged after that. Convictions also come with statute required times spent in jail. Something a suspended sentence does not require. Good way to think of it, you get Probation after a trial, conviction and jail. You get a Suspended sentence after the courts decide Jail is not really the best option and you agree to behave and do as you are told.

Its all at the discretion of the State and victim however. I suppose Barb could accuse him of Felony Rape, in which case he ain't getting a suspended sentence, and is instead going to the slammer and then Parole after. However, if Barb is unwilling to Prosecute, and the State is willing to play ball just to get this headache off its plate, then he gets the Suspended option.

 

[Casual Garbage]

Can't wait for Ralph to be outside the court house after the trial yelling "KILLSTREAM! FREE AT LAST!, CHRIS CHAN IS FREE AT LAST! KILLSTREAM!"

 

[Yksi_Toveri]

So, does this mean Heidberg (however it's spelled) is off the case since it's going to a different court. I'm woefully ignorant on how that works with a court appointed lawyer.

 

[Pony! Hugger of People]

So could some in the know kiwi explain to this humble eurofag how this Grand jury operates?

Will it be like a "traditional" trial where the defendant, lawyers judge, and jury are in in a courtroom discussing procedurally?

Or is it more of the prosecution speaking to the members of the jury for permission to charge Chris of a felony?

Additionally, will they be assessing only the objective merits of the case or will the they have to consider all the background bullshit that comes with Chris?

 

[Buster Scruggs]

I've heard in some prisons they'll beat the fuck out of you just for having a sexual offense, some even ask for papers so they know you aren't lying. This doesn't bode so well, I've heard of someone having a sex crime on an elderly lady, and he got fucking killed in prison. Good luck to him, as far as that'll go in the big time crib. I bet he'll get brutalized for trying to be a messiah and then get stuck in solitary for the rest of his sentence.

 

[Aqua Panda]

Could you fucking imagine if a kiwi ended up on the jury?

 

[Kosher Dill]

Anyway, the most interesting part of this whole process is that a grand jury has nearly unlimited power. Typically they just sit back and listen to whatever the courtroom attorneys present, but they are entitled to demand, and receive, any evidence they ask for.

This message brought to you by the CWCville Fully Informed Grand Jury Association.

 

[Mason Verger]

I'm sure the court would be thrilled to be paying for his plane tickets from Serbia.

Could that make his portion of the evidence inadmissible?

I’d fucking love to see Bella subpoenaed though. Some monkey paw shit, she wanted some easy internet fame via fucking with Chris Chan, reap the whirlwind.

 

[Dr. Silvestrechu]

If it goes to trial, they must have a positive rape kit and semen sample taken from Barbs vagina and possibly anus.


Tbf Chris getting murdered by angry Mexicans after pretending to be Jesus would be really funny.

Why would he get murdered by Mexicans for saying he's Jesus? There's like 50 million Mexican Jesuses.

 

[ScaliasGhost]

That's our date on our calendar then. I don't know how fast they enter stuff in the database but we will probably know his full set of charges the next day.

I'm assuming they will be able to hold him until then by filing another misdemeanor charge? The one week gap between when his jail term should end and the first day of the grand jury seating is weird jurisdictionaly.

 

[A Grey Cat]

So could some in the know kiwi explain to this humble eurofag how this Grand jury operates?

Will it be like a "traditional" trial where the defendant, lawyers judge, and jury are in in a courtroom discussing procedurally?

Or is it more of the prosecution speaking to the members of the jury for permission to charge Chris of a felony?

Additionally, will they be assessing only the objective merits of the case or will the they have to consider all the background bullshit that comes with Chris?

On the morning of august 2nd, a jury of chris's peers*will look over the docket containing Chris case then vote on yes or no to have chris sent to felony court. It's not a full trial where they get all the details and decide on a verdict just if that's what they SHOULD move forward with doing.



Or normies who had to call off work and lose a days pay and are pissed that they gotta serve jury duty.

 

[Mary Jane]

@Pointless Sperg can we updates the FAQ yet? A lot of questions in this thread that have already been answered 100 times in the past 3 hours.

 

[Yksi_Toveri]

So could some in the know kiwi explain to this humble eurofag how this Grand jury operates?

Will it be like a "traditional" trial where the defendant, lawyers judge, and jury are in in a courtroom discussing procedurally?

Or is it more of the prosecution speaking to the members of the jury for permission to charge Chris of a felony?

Additionally, will they be assessing only the objective merits of the case or will the they have to consider all the background bullshit that comes with Chris?

Basically, the prosecutor presents the charges to a grand jury who either agrees or disagrees there's enough evidence to pursue charging the defendant with said crime. The prosecutor will give all charges to the jury for Chris and they essentially just agree with the list and then the prosecution and defense will work on a plea deal.

 

[Ruin]

Regardless of what happens his life is over. Even if they turn him lose on the streets with probation he'll be at least a level 2 maybe even a level 3 sex offender.

That means no more malls, game stores, card stores, hobby stores. He'll also be effectively homeless.

 

[Basement Dwelling Dork]

Guess its time to celebrate this final jail saga with a good old tradition of what Chris loved to do.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

its...complicated. Suspended Sentences and Parole are sort of the same thing but not really. Basically it means Chris is not "convicted" of the crimes. He just agrees its entirely likely he did the crimes. Its the felony equivalent, sort of, to pleading "no contest" to a traffic ticket. It basically allows the court to do whatever the hell it wants "in the interests of justice", and provided you do the thing it demands, not only do you not get to go to jail but at the end of the suspension your criminal record is expunged and you are free to go. Probation on the other hand requires a conviction, and time served. Your criminal record is never expunged after that. Convictions also come with statute required times spent in jail. Something a suspended sentence does not require. Good way to think of it, you get Probation after a trial, conviction and jail. You get a Suspended sentence after the courts decide Jail is not really the best option and you agree to behave and do as you are told.

It sounds like you're describing deferred disposition. It would be weird if a suspended sentence expunged your felony.

What I was wondering about is if Chris would get a felony with most of the sentence suspended, or deferred disposition (where the charges would be dropped -- something that wasn't possible for tard reasons until recently).

Its all at the discretion of the State and victim however. I suppose Barb could accuse him of Felony Rape, in which case he ain't getting a suspended sentence, and is instead going to the slammer and then Parole after. However, if Barb is unwilling to Prosecute, and the State is willing to play ball just to get this headache off its plate, then he gets the Suspended option.

As I understand it, truth in sentencing laws made it so Virginia doesn't do parole for sentences imposed after 2000, just 15% good conduct credit.