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[Flourishing Pinecone ❧]

Why would there be an "autopsy"? (We call them post-mortems in the UK.) There will be any number of doctors at the hospital who will be willing to put the cause of death on the death certificate

As many people have said, no you are wrong.

If there is an unexpected death, the doctors cannot legally sign a death certificate as the whole role of referring to the Coroner is for THEM to decide the cause of death.
And as others have pointed out, this process is VERY different to the US - a specialist Forensic Pathologist (Doctor) will undertake the examination and document findings, and it will be reviewed by the Coroner's Court (Legal). It's not just Some Dude who got elected (see this video from This Week Tonight that explains yet another reason the US is so fucking mental).

The Forensic Pathologists will likely only do an external examination of Archie's body as he's had multiple scans done they can refer to, but he will still very much be referred to the them as a legal requirement.

Please don't post shit you don't know about with such conviction, it just makes you look stupid.

This could get messy. They're asking the trust to hold off. The trust are under no legal obligation to do so.

After the June hearing where the Justice declared him officially dead as of 31 May, the hospital said they wouldn't do anything until the family had decided to appeal (despite probably not having to legally do so, maybe?).

I dare say they'll give her a little bit of leeway but it must be so tense in that PICU.

 

[Murder Bunny]

This would certainly line up with what Hollie was saying before about kids on “death row” being moved to a room near the nurse’s desk just before they were about to die

Edit: Don’t agree with her conspiracy theory about that, I just mean about children being moved to another room as per procedure as this person has stated.

I can only speak for that kind of thing in the States and to situations where the family is willing to let their loved one be at peace, but it's been my experience that if the ICU is circular and has "bays" (curtained sections as opposed to walls so the nurses have a better chance of seeing and hearing everything), there is sometimes either a room or an alcove of sorts near the entrance so a grieving family can enter and exit quietly without exposing themselves or anyone else to more stress than is inevitable. I can imagine that someone who was already dead *might* be moved just outside the unit so that a volatile family member wouldn't have a chance to screech, "MURDER!" at people who were already under enormous strain.

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

Mom killed him. None of this shit makes any sense beyond the mother killing her child. Like SIDS.

I wouldn't say she outright killed him but she's definitely done some bad to him.

 

[TheGrandDragonJesus]

Mom killed him. None of this shit makes any sense beyond the mother killing her child. Like SIDS.

I wouldn't say she outright killed him but she's definitely done some bad to him.

I read the info, my gut says she is entirely to blame. She is the reason we used to have sanitariums. She should be committed and her son given a proper funeral.

 

[Haloperidol IM]

This could get messy. They're asking the trust to hold off. The trust are under no legal obligation to do so.

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I originally thought that was a one-off remark by Hollie, but now I'm genuinely baffled that Christian Concern is trying to get the UN involved.

The courts essentially handed Hollie and her Christian Concern counsel a roadmap of how to get their case reviewed by the ECHR, but they didn't try that, right?

 

[A tree]

I originally thought that was a one-off remark by Hollie, but now I'm genuinely baffled that Christian Concern is trying to get the UN involved.

The courts essentially handed Hollie and her Christian Concern counsel a roadmap of how to get their case reviewed by the ECHR, but they didn't try that, right?

Yes they said the echr has a track record of saying no so they tried something else

 

[Murder Bunny]

After the June hearing where the Justice declared him officially dead as of 31 May, the hospital said they wouldn't do anything until the family had decided to appeal (despite probably not having to legally do so, maybe?).

I dare say they'll give her a little bit of leeway but it must be so tense in that PICU.

I definitely see your point. I think the difference is that the family have appealed and appealed and appealed and been told that there are no appeals left. If the Trust don't act now it undermines any future case they have to undertake involving "best interests." AB isn't actually in there anymore and allowing Hollie to pretend that he is won't help anyone. The Trust needs to set a time for Hollie with as little negotiation as possible and do the right thing by Archie's remains and the mental health of their staff.

 

[Treasure Champs]

The good news is that Chris Chan is going in front of a grand jury, so this thread will be spared any further drive-by SPEDing from the Purple Heart Gang. Right on time for turning the machines off.

 

[ItzLog]

The nurses will be moving him to change him and for pressure relief etc

While that is true, I would assume that they would've noticed it at the time of jostling it (if it was them) and took care of it then, right? It's hard to tell if H is saying that it was like that for a large amount of time or not.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Finaly this kid can go with dignity. I can't Imagine how terrible it must be basicaly rotting "alive".

He already died a long time ago that means he can't feel anything. It's his body that can finally rest.

 

[repentance]

As many people have said, no you are wrong.

If there is an unexpected death, the doctors cannot legally sign a death certificate as the whole role of referring to the Coroner is for THEM to decide the cause of death.
And as others have pointed out, this process is VERY different to the US - a specialist Forensic Pathologist (Doctor) will undertake the examination and document findings, and it will be reviewed by the Coroner's Court (Legal). It's not just Some Dude who got elected (see this video from This Week Tonight that explains yet another reason the US is so fucking mental).

The Forensic Pathologists will likely only do an external examination of Archie's body as he's had multiple scans done they can refer to, but he will still very much be referred to the them as a legal requirement.

Being a former colony, we follow the UK system. High profile cases like this one tend to get full on public inquests here.

Hollie's claim about a TikTok challenge raises the possibility of misadventure and it's in the public interest for that to be explored.

 

[everybody in Portugal]

The good news is that Chris Chan is going in front of a grand jury, so this thread will be spared any further drive-by SPEDing from the Purple Heart Gang. Right on time for turning the machines off.

Thank fuck for that. I'm usually tolerant of newfaggery but this thread has attracted such an incredible amount of autism already.

Mom killed him. None of this shit makes any sense beyond the mother killing her child. Like SIDS.

Prime example. Lurk more, faget, or at least being some hard evidence for your claims.

 

[TheGrandDragonJesus]

Prime example. Lurk more, faget, or at least being some hard evidence for your claims.

I can add 2 and 2. Cope and seethe harder.

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

I can add 2 and 2. Cope and seethe harder.

Hey. No shitting it up. Argue elsewhere.

 

[ZsaZsaBinks]

The OP talks about how Archie was “depressed” in his life. I don’t know if was really depressed/suicidal for sure, but he did appear to be a big fan of the sadboy emo hip-hop that’s been popular in recent years. He posted memorials for fallen emo rappers and images of a depressed Homer Simpson and this emoji: . I feel like he got duped by the lethal TikTok challenge that has not only killed him but other vulnerable youth who use the site.

I do believe that he did commit suicide. I was hesitant to believe so at first, because emos (and hip-hop emos) stereotypically suicide-bait, so any time they do it is often dismissed.

 

[everybody in Portugal]

I can add 2 and 2. Cope and seethe harder.

Literally fuck off into a skip full of medical waste, newfag, you're making us all look retarded with your baseless, unsupported accusations.

Have you even considered the physical mechanics of her killing him by hanging? Or that if there was even a whisper of that being the case she wouldn't have been allowed near him for the last few months? Or that trying to murder him and then fighting to keep him hooked up to machines for three fucking months insisting he isn't dead are counterintuitive to each other?

Jfc, primo retardation in here tonight.

 

[Phil Ken Sebben]

Finaly this kid can go with dignity. I can't Imagine how terrible it must be basicaly rotting "alive".

Well to be fair it's not like he's aware of any of this. Yeah in his situation I wouldn't want to be kept alive this way either. It's quite frankly degrading. But the dead have the ability not to be embarrassed anymore. It's his mother that's the source of all this.

This could get messy. They're asking the trust to hold off. The trust are under no legal obligation to do so.

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How does praying help except to make the people praying feel better?

I thought that everything that happened, whether good or bad, was God's will. So it was God's will that Archie died. Why do these people now think that by praying 4 months after the event will somehow change his mind on these things? Either God decided it was Archie's time to go or it wasn't. Make up your minds.

 

[RodgerDodger]

Mom killed him. None of this shit makes any sense beyond the mother killing her child. Like SIDS.

Mom liky did not kill him. It was probably either deliberate suicide or misadventure. But there is a question of neglect hanging over all of this. A solid accounting of Mommie Dearests actions and movements that day is needed. As for some investigation into what led to it?

 

[Loonytune 1987]

While that is true, I would assume that they would've noticed it at the time of jostling it (if it was them) and took care of it then, right? It's hard to tell if H is saying that it was like that for a large amount of time or not.

Hollie stated that she took the pic right before the nurse cleaned it all up and changed the bedding. She also said something about she doesn’t know how long because she woke up to it. Nurses on DFA however have said that an alarm would have sounded when it started leaking and it would have been rectified quickly. I’ve a feeling she grabbed the opportunity to try and turn something normal into an allegation.

 

[RL Steinbeck]

AB is about as likely to come back as I am to turn gay.

so you're saying there's a chance