Grand Jury speculation thread

[harbinger]

This trial should be taped and preserved like it’s some modern all time classic on the level of Shakespeare

Agreed. The 20th Century gave us the OJ Simpson trial, the 21st Century is giving us the Chris-Chan trial.

 

[Sissyagamben]

Is it confirmed or at least strongly implied that this has come about because Chris refused a plea?

Not at all lol, the newest letters from Chris are not released and one of the ween is playing retard telephone game with us, giving HIS interpretation of what Chris had allegedly said. It probably has 0% reliability but some sort of deal was mentioned. It’s also probable heilberg told Chris he will try to get some sort of deal for him and Chris/ween interpreted whatever is said as being given a deal

 

[mindlessobserver]

This thread has moved extremely fast and I've been busy today - what is known at present? Is it confirmed or at least strongly implied that this has come about because Chris refused a plea?

The plea deal is just a guess. We don't know if he had one.

The only thing that is known is that the Juvenile and Domestic Relations court judge has ordered Chris' case transferred to the Virginia Circuit Court.

Which means the Prosecution now has a hard deadline to get Chris to plead guilty, indict him, or release him.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

He's still a US citizen. Virginia can compel his attendance in a criminal trial if his testimony is actually relevant. Now admittedly there are steps if Null wants to fight it. They can't just send State troopers to collect him. But the end result is inevitable to the point it's not really worth it to belabor the point.

From what I'm aware of, and I am no expert in Virginia law, but while a court can subpoena someone's testimony, what form that testimony takes can vary from in person to written, no?

Like I cannot see someone compelling Null, who lives in another country, to fly to a state he really has little tie to, when some sort of written document or statement would suffice;

and thats if they even bother.

 

[Fapcop]

@ScaliasGhost @Sissyagamben @Fapcop
Gotcha. So what we're guessing is that Heilberg tried to stall for whatever reason, Chris most likely fudged a deal, and now the misdemeanor is probably getting upgraded to a felony.

It's just kinda funky that it took almost exactly a year to get to this point, like it's purposeful.

If they had a great case and/or really wanted to throw the book at Chris, we probably would have seen this earlier. Or they would have avoided the family court in the first place.

It’s likely that they ran out of time for whatever reason and had to do this to avoid letting Chris walk.

Was it because Chris refused a deal? It’s possible.

And again, it could be that this is part of Chris’s plea.

Chris has done some incredibly stupid shit and refusing a sweetheart deal would be right up his alley. (And funny!)

However, Chris gets some flashes of common sense once in a while, and I’d imagine just getting back to his toys and familiar life would be a strong motivation for him to plead guilty to… Something.

Chris is dumb and likes to retreat to his fantasy safe space when things get tough. But notice for example that he still had the common sense to suddenly claim in a letter that “it was just big talk” and he never touched the Barbussy.

That certainly seems to indicate that he knows he won’t be able to will his way out of this jam.

 

[Dr. Silvestrechu]

From what I'm aware of, and I am no expert in Virginia law, but while a court can subpoena someone's testimony, what form that testimony takes can vary from in person to written, no?

Like I cannot see someone compelling Null, who lives in another country, to fly to a state he really has little tie to, when some sort of written document or statement would suffice;

and thats if they even bother.

Can criminal trials not do video testimony?

 

[mindlessobserver]

From what I'm aware of, and I am no expert in Virginia law, but while a court can subpoena someone's testimony, what form that testimony takes can vary from in person to written, no?

Like I cannot see someone compelling Null, who lives in another country, to fly to a state he really has little tie to, when some sort of written document or statement would suffice;

and thats if they even bother.

It depends on the form the testimony takes and how it's framed. The State can't just get a sworn statement from Null and use it against Chris. Chris' defense has to be able to cross examine the statement. How this is done could take any form, so long as the State and Defense agree. They could just have Null do a Zoom call for conveniences sake. But if this lands in front of a Jury, 100% Null will have to show up in person. Judges don't play around with Criminal Jury trials.

This is all wild conjecture at this point though. We don't even know what Chris is getting charged with yet. The only thing Null can legitimately testify too from where I sit is the violation of the restraining order.

 

[Ophelia]

We might actually get a prison saga someday and not just a jail saga.

Welp.

I didn’t factor in how it was Barb making Chris take deals in the past. I wrongly assumed Chris would listen to his lawyer. More tard I.

 

[Smithfield Ham]

Personally, I'm hoping everything and anything that could go wrong will go wrong. That every person Chris has ever interacted with over the years is subpoenaed and that the case will become such a clusterfuck that it somehow goes to the Supreme Court. I want to see Clarence Thomas forced to watch videos of Chris drinking his own cum and Breyer listening to Virgin with Rage, I want Amy Barret to watch Chris fuck a blow up doll. I just want it to go big and spiral out of control, I'm hoping it becomes bigger than the O.J. trial.

Unfortunately, you can't legally do that. I know it was what they did in Seinfeld, but you can't parade a bunch of character witnesses in to discredit someone.

 

[My Name is Mud]

From what I'm aware of, and I am no expert in Virginia law, but while a court can subpoena someone's testimony, what form that testimony takes can vary from in person to written, no?

Like I cannot see someone compelling Null, who lives in another country, to fly to a state he really has little tie to, when some sort of written document or statement would suffice;

and thats if they even bother.

>Null refuses to fly to VA to testify
>they offer to do the testimony over a Zoom/Skype call
>court officials leak the call ID because they are boomers
>this happens

 

[ScaliasGhost]

He is not indicted yet, but the case going to a grand jury basically means he's indicted, because they almost never say no.

It appears it will happen on August 8th.



He is not going to trial until he goes to trial. You can enter a plea deal at any time before the trial. You can even do it *at* a trial (though you've already made the prosecution do most of the work so they won't be generous, last minute deals are basically to spare a victim from having to testify).

I've personally seen plea deals be entered right as the trial was starting, the jury was ready, and the judge walked into the room. Defendants sometimes change their mind when they walk into court and realize "holy shit this is really happening".

It's like asking if two people talking smack in a bar are going to fight. It's not a fight until someone throws a punch, and unless you're at a scummy bar it almost never results in a fight.

95% of cases do not go to trial.

While most cases don't go to trial, Chris's case has the hallmarks of those that are more likely to, in my anecdotal experience. That is, trials are more likely when someone is accused of heinous sex crimes or when they are recipients of benefits they need to survive but would be cut off with a felony conviction.

The stigma of being a rapist (or here, literally a mother fucker) would be the same to someone whether they plea or not, only a not guilty verdict absolves them in the public eye. And ive seen a few go to trial when there was a relatively short term of imprisonment at stake, but after release the lack of disability benefits from the felony conviction would effectively render the individual unable to provide for themselves. So again, the risk of a jury trial was worth it because benefits wouldn't be cut off with a not guilty verdict.

Here a plea is still by a good margin most likely, but there could be reasons to risk a trial.

 

[Bixby Snyder]

Since this shit may be moving to trail, would Jenke become involved in this shit? I know her family would love to hear that news

 

[Fapcop]

From what I'm aware of, and I am no expert in Virginia law, but while a court can subpoena someone's testimony, what form that testimony takes can vary from in person to written, no?

Like I cannot see someone compelling Null, who lives in another country, to fly to a state he really has little tie to, when some sort of written document or statement would suffice;

and thats if they even bother.

One thing is what theoretically is possible.

Another issue entirely is how many ressources they’re willing to spend on a case where a retarded degenerate had sex with a senile degenerate.

A sworn affidavit would be enough. Or if Null decides that he won’t play ball, I doubt that they’d set heaven and earth in motion for this, but would most likely just shrug and use his communications with police instead.

 

[TV's Adam West]

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[Norman B. Normal]

the grand july appearance

It's spelled JULAY.

 

[The Repeated Meme]

This trial should be taped and preserved like it’s some modern all time classic on the level of Shakespeare

It would be quite the spectacle to watch it live. I doubt that's going to happen though.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

Agreed. The 20th Century gave us the OJ Simpson trial, the 21st Century is giving us the Chris-Chan trial.

Now I'm thinking if Chris made a sonichu comic in vein of "If I Did It."

 

[Sissyagamben]

Here are some snippets from the newer letters posted on the farm, I’m just reposting these more relevant parts here:

 

[Yankee Shogun]

Chris has been sentenced to 20 years of hard labor in Virginia's pickle fields.

Replace the white dudes with Chris and MLK with the man in the Pickle Suit

Also thank God registrations are closed, if this is even 1/10th as active as the day then it's gonna be abit of a shitshow.

 

[Mason Verger]

I wonder how the resident prison Muslims will take to Chris using a prayer rug for his heathen infidel shit?