Grand Jury speculation thread

[Conan Spedogawa]

*Me on the grand jury

 

[Fcret]

1970’s bleeding heart liberal: “CLOSE ASYLUMS! It’s INHUMANE!”

1980’s bleeding heart liberal: “ community based mental health care! “

2000’s bleeding heart liberal: “That good for nothing Reagan DISMANTLED the mental healthcare system and unloaded them on to local communities to save money! Outrageous!”


Who would have thought that crazy people would act crazy and not take the pills the doctor told them to take?!

Don't get me wrong - the kooky anti-psych left was complicit with Reagan in all of this. But the decision to save a few pennies for the low low price of widespread social problems decades down the line (when none of the fuckers are alive still) is something the GOP signed off on themselves and I'm comfortable saddling them with the blame.

 

[cuddle striker]

he's trending on Twitter. my uncle asked me if I knew who this guy was. I had to say no. I want off Mr. Bones Wild Ride

It’s prison man. There’ll be plenty of people who did fucked up things.

there will be men there who murdered their mothers. he will have friends.

 

[Huge Fuckin Nerd]

This trial should be taped and preserved like it’s some modern all time classic on the level of Shakespeare

>Shakespeare

My guy, Oedipus was RIGHT THERE. How do you miss the mark like that?

 

[Fapcop]

Don't get me wrong - the kooky anti-psych left was complicit with Reagan in all of this. But the decision to save a few pennies for the low low price of widespread social problems decades down the line (when none of the fuckers are alive still) is something the GOP signed off on themselves and I'm comfortable saddling them with the blame.

Meh, it’s not like the old asylum model was a paradise and not rife with abuse and fucked up shit.

Both asylums and community based care sounds fine and dandy in principle but when the rubber hits the road, things look a lot different than on the drawing board.

 

[NuancedTardWrangler]

If Chris would be released from jail now (say, until the trial), where would he go? Would the state give him some place to crash or would he literally be out on the street, being forced to look for his own accomodations? I mean, he'll receive his tugboat once he's free, so he can at least pay for whatever place he ends up in, but I somewhat doubt that Chris would do a good job of looking for a place on his own.

I doubt Chris will be released until the trial date. Chris has already been in custody for nearly a year now without trial. Unless he makes bail (and given his financial situation plus the fact that no one be it family or outside enablers) wants to bail him out, I doubt that’ll happen.

Another reason why Chris won’t be let out is because his bond request has been denied. It is possible to get it back, but in order for it to be reinstated it must be under these circumstances: the bond is deemed excessive or under unreasonable terms of recognizance (a type of bond where a prisoner is released on a specific condition or conditions). Chris meets neither condition and since it’s already been about a year, there’s a very slim chance he’ll be released.

But seeing as with Chris, nothing is really predictable, let’s say he does some how get a bond deal and is actually able to pay for it (or is willing to sell anything of value for it but that will be covered later). Under Virginia law, the judge must use any of the following for the conditions:

Place the person in the custody of a designated person or organization agreeing to supervise the accused;

Place restrictions on the travel, association or place of abode of the accused during the period of release, and restrict contacts with household members for a period not to exceed seventy-two hours;
(Not likely to happen due to the nature of the case)

Require the execution of an unsecured bond;

Require the execution of a secured bond, which at the option of the accused shall be satisfied with sufficient solvent sureties, or the deposit of cash in lieu thereof. In determining solvency the judicial officer may consider only the actual value of any interest in real estate or personal property owned by the proposed surety. Solvency is found if the value of the proposed surety’s equity in real estate or personal property equals or exceeds the amount of bond.

Impose any other condition deemed reasonably necessary to assure appearance and good behavior of the accused pending trial. The judicial officer may require that the accused return to custody after specified hours.


In short, it’s possible for Chris to be accommodated if he’s given a bond deal again, but considering all that Chris has done and the sheer unlikelyhood that Chris will receive bond again (let alone agree to sell his house or toys/games), means he’s staying where he is until his trial.

Here’s the source for anyone who is curious

 

[GypsyBard]

Well this was a turning point
Let's be honest here nobody thought they would take this to trial and basically just release him saying here you served a year in jail now be free
In some ways this will be the greatest gift Chris has ever given the farms
I mean think about it a Chris trial
Years ago when he ran over Michael with his car everyone was begging for there to be a trial
Years ago when Chris decided to spray GameStop employee everybody was begging to the heavens oh please give us a trial
Now we got one
Let's see if this tired is actually made of Teflon

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

I doubt Chris will be released until the trial date. Chris has already been in custody for nearly a year now without trial. Unless he makes bail (and given his financial situation plus the fact that no one be it family or outside enablers) wants to bail him out, I doubt that’ll happen.

Another reason why Chris won’t be let out is because his bond request has been denied. It is possible to get it back, but in order for it to be reinstated it must be under these circumstances: the bond is deemed excessive or under unreasonable terms of recognizance (a type of bond where a prisoner is released on a specific condition or conditions). Chris meets neither condition and since it’s already been about a year, there’s a very slim chance he’ll be released.

But seeing as with Chris, nothing is really predictable, let’s say he does some how get a bond deal and is actually able to pay for it. Under Virginia law, the judge must use any of the following for the bond:

Place the person in the custody of a designated person or organization agreeing to supervise the accused;

Place restrictions on the travel, association or place of abode of the accused during the period of release, and restrict contacts with household members for a period not to exceed seventy-two hours;

Require the execution of an unsecured bond;

Require the execution of a secured bond, which at the option of the accused shall be satisfied with sufficient solvent sureties, or the deposit of cash in lieu thereof. In determining solvency the judicial officer may consider only the actual value of any interest in real estate or personal property owned by the proposed surety. Solvency is found if the value of the proposed surety’s equity in real estate or personal property equals or exceeds the amount of bond.

Impose any other condition deemed reasonably necessary to assure appearance and good behavior of the accused pending trial. The judicial officer may require that the accused return to custody after specified hours.


In short, it’s possible for Chris to be accommodated if he’s given a bond deal, but considering all that Chris has done and the sheer unlikelyhood that Chris will receive bond again (let alone agree to sell his house or toys/games), means he’s staying where he is until his trial.

Here’s the source for anyone who is curious

I don't expect or even humor the thought of a possible release from jail. I was merely asking what the conditions would be if he was to be released, given that he clearly can't go back to BC14 and I sorta doubt that the Virginia prison system can just throw people on the street (if only cause that would make a re-arrest harder to pull off).

I guess what you posted means the legal system would have to put him into a group home or something like that (I simply assume none of his relatives want to deal with Chris).

 

[Fapcop]

I doubt Chris will be released until the trial date. Chris has already been in custody for nearly a year now without trial. Unless he makes bail (and given his financial situation plus the fact that no one be it family or outside enablers) wants to bail him out, I doubt that’ll happen.

Another reason why Chris won’t be let out is because his bond request has been denied. It is possible to get it back, but in order for it to be reinstated it must be under these circumstances: the bond is deemed excessive or under unreasonable terms of recognizance (a type of bond where a prisoner is released on a specific condition or conditions). Chris meets neither condition and since it’s already been about a year, there’s a very slim chance he’ll be released.

But seeing as with Chris, nothing is really predictable, let’s say he does some how get a bond deal and is actually able to pay for it. Under Virginia law, the judge must use any of the following for the bond:

Place the person in the custody of a designated person or organization agreeing to supervise the accused;

Place restrictions on the travel, association or place of abode of the accused during the period of release, and restrict contacts with household members for a period not to exceed seventy-two hours;

Require the execution of an unsecured bond;

Require the execution of a secured bond, which at the option of the accused shall be satisfied with sufficient solvent sureties, or the deposit of cash in lieu thereof. In determining solvency the judicial officer may consider only the actual value of any interest in real estate or personal property owned by the proposed surety. Solvency is found if the value of the proposed surety’s equity in real estate or personal property equals or exceeds the amount of bond.

Impose any other condition deemed reasonably necessary to assure appearance and good behavior of the accused pending trial. The judicial officer may require that the accused return to custody after specified hours.


In short, it’s possible for Chris to accommodated if he’s giving a bond deal, but considering all that Chris has done and the sheer unlikelyhood that Chris will receive bond again (let alone pay for it), means he’s staying where he is until his trial.

Here’s the source for anyone who is curious

Part of the problem is (again!) the unusual circumstances.

They can’t just release Chris without securing him housing of some kind. (A certain Rob Bell played a part there!)

Chris has his little income, but not enough to like rent a motel room and he lives with the alleged victim.

If circumstances were different, say: If Chris had his own place to stay and/or had a support system in place, he’d get a low parole since tard-card plus the nature of the alleged offense.

But without Barb or a tardwrangler in place to take care of all the practical stuff, what the F would Chris do if released on bail?

Chances are he’s walk out of the courtroom into the sunshine with a smile on his face. Then stop and realize that Son-Chu isn’t there, and that the jerkOps told him he couldn’t go to 14 Branchland Ct.

Chris would make the biggest stress sigh ever, and just stand there like a broken toy until someone took pity on him.

 

[General Tug Boat]

The fact that Chris decided not to take what ever plea deal absolutely demonstrates his lack of any type of understanding of the gravity of the situation. Internet bullies didn’t make him violate his mother, his lack of impulse control, and being a pervert is the reason. I cannot imagine being summoned to speculate on this shit show of a case. Quite frankly, Chris is going to end up serving some time. Whether or not it is the maximum is meant to be observed, my guess is that they’ll probably go for 3-5 years.

Either way Chris and Barb always had a fucking strange relationship and I wouldn’t be surprised that there are some more details that haven’t been unearthed through the various recordings and encounters Farmers and common folk have has with Chris over the years.

His autism can’t excuse the fact that he did indeed by his own words, have intercourse with his elderly mother. Whether or not she consented is the million dollar question. Which I would have to say that she probably did, since Green County decided not to pin on additional charges like rape.

No matter what though, what Chris did is still absolutely disgusting, and shows he is a fucking degenerate that should be pinned as a sex offender for the rest of his days after serving his time. No slap on the wrist this time, but I don’t see a judge chimping out a retarded man child like Chris, that has clearly lost all contact with reality. They will probably put Chris in some sort of half way house type of situation after his time is served, with other freaks like him. The only aspect of that though I am sceptical of is whether or not Chris would be able to function in that type of environment. But that alternative is probably better than him going back to 14 Branchland Court, or being thrown to the wolves. Only because a bunch of retarded internet alogs are going to get Chris to do something stupid to himself or someone else.

So the longer the sentence the better, so maybe a bunch of these bandwagon Alogs might lose interest and move on. Just like the rest of the Farms has with Chris related content. It would be the best for society and would be the best for Chris. Regarding the level of autism that the Janke saga caused on this site last year, it would be for the best Chris would be stripped of his computer privileges, and not have encounters with random internet people. At least with the letters there is some way to contain the bad actors that want to cause harm to Chris.

If anything this entire trial and court saga is a bizarre case and what ever details get unearthed are going to be fascinating whenever we get transcripts. My bid is 3-5 years with some of the time already served being in the reduction of the sentence which already has been factored in. Hopefully by mid decade Chris can just become more irrelevant and become more of a side show lol cow, because he is a twisted literal mother fucker.

 

[TayandYou]

Inmates might not line up to give Chris snacks, but if you’re serving five years for an armed robbery or whatever, do you really want to double that because someone said someone is a pedo?

People are also forgetting that Chris isn't a pedo, and legally speaking isn't a rapist (yet). It's not like everyone in prison is going to know the intricate details of the case. They're just going to see a weirdo who thinks he's some kind of hedgehog jesus.

My guess is that the people in prison will treat Chris the same way that people outside of prison treat him, by simply avoiding him as much as possible.

 

[FinnSven]

It’s prison man. There’ll be plenty of people who did fucked up things.

As for human interaction, it’s not like Chris has a lot as it is. Heck, he will probably socialize more in jail than at home.

Inmate accounts can’t always be trusted, because they have a certain vested interest in pointing out how they made have done X but “hey! They weren’t a pedo and in fact, those chomos were CURBSTOMPED YO!” (Jail stories in general are often exaggerated because what is the listener going to do? Fact check them?)

Go to Reddit and check out the subreddit for sex offenders. Every once in a while someone will write a panic post because they’re about to do time and don’t want to die. And the SO who have done time will always say the same thing: They’ll be fine if they’ll just keep their head down.

There is a middle ground between being buddy buddy with someone and murdering them and beating them up: Ignoring them.

Inmates might not line up to give Chris snacks, but if you’re serving five years for an armed robbery or whatever, do you really want to double that because someone said someone is a pedo?

Yes but lifers don’t give a shit.

Also there be situations where no one rats. No witnesses, no evidence.

 

[Rewire Tea]

Not actually going to, but I have a serious urge to send Heilberg a nice bottle of whiskey. He probably needs it.

 

[Fapcop]

I guess what you posted means the legal system would have to put him into a group home or something like that (I simply assume none of his relatives want to deal with Chris).

This is kind of one of the basic problems with Chris. He’s not nearly crazy enough to get seriously tard wrangled or be put in a group home, but at the same time he’s too dysfunctional to be left completely to his own devices.

I reckon that’s one of the reasons why this process has been so long and unusual. Nobody knew for sure what to do with him.

Chris is on the spectrum and has some degree of mental retardation.

But he’s not mentally ill, and nowhere near mentally ill enough to be wrangled against his will.

Chris is an emancipated adult, and (at least on paper) should be able to take care of himself and live like an adult.

He just chooses not to, and the “system” isn’t really equipped to deal with that.

 

[TayandYou]

Yes but lifers don’t give a shit.

Also there be situations where no one rats. No witnesses, no evidence.

Chris isn't going to maximum security with the hardened criminals lol.

 

[Fapcop]

Yes but lifers don’t give a shit.

Also there be situations where no one rats. No witnesses, no evidence.

Again: Chris wouldn’t be likely to run into that kind of prisoner. That kind of lifer would be segregated into a supermax or a jail for dangerous inmates.

And lifers and inmates facing decades in jail usually have privileges and perks they don’t want to lose, like cozy jobs etc., just because they happen to run across yet another weird pedo/sex offender inmate.

 

[NuancedTardWrangler]

I don't expect or even humor the thought of a possible release from jail. I was merely asking what the conditions would be if he was to be released, given that he clearly can't go back to BC14 and I sorta doubt that the Virginia prison system can just throw people on the street (if only cause that would make a re-arrest harder to pull off).

I guess what you posted means the legal system would have to put him into a group home or something like that (I simply assume none of his relatives want to deal with Chris).

Yes, he’d be placed in something like that but only if they agree to house him. If they don’t, I assume they have to either look else where or just don’t release him due to the danger he poses to others (but mostly himself)

 

[Fapcop]

Chris isn't going to maximum security with the hardened criminals lol.

Nah man… I’m sure the niggo 20 years into a 40 year sentence can’t wait to lose his cozy kitchen job and long timer privileges the second they come across Chris.

A decade of no infractions will get tossed in the trash in seconds once he sees those dead eyes and smug face.

Chris has that effect on people.

 

[FinnSven]

Again: Chris wouldn’t be likely to run into that kind of prisoner. That kind of lifer would be segregated into a supermax or a jail for dangerous inmates.

And lifers and inmates facing decades in jail usually have privileges and perks they don’t want to lose, like cozy jobs etc., just because they happen to run across yet another weird pedo/sex offender inmate.

Sure, but if he gets 10 years, he is going to be in with some sort of hardened criminals.

He probably won't be outright murdered, but I am sure he will get punched and humiliated.

 

[NuancedTardWrangler]

This is kind of one of the basic problems with Chris. He’s not nearly crazy enough to get seriously tard wrangled or be put in a group home, but at the same time he’s too dysfunctional to be left completely to his own devices.

I reckon that’s one of the reasons why this process has been so long and unusual. Nobody knew for sure what to do with him.

Chris is on the spectrum and has some degree of mental retardation.

But he’s not mentally ill, and nowhere near mentally ill enough to be wrangled against his will.

Chris is an emancipated adult, and (at least on paper) should be able to take care of himself and live like an adult.

He just chooses not to, and the “system” isn’t really equipped to deal with that.

Plus there’s one more thing to consider: The group home (if they look to put him in one) has to agree to supervise him. Even without this case, one look into Chris and it’s a no.