Grand Jury speculation thread

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Don't lie to these tards.
A grand jury is just like a regular jury, except there is a requirement of being 6'4" or taller or 400lbs+.

That's a Grande Jury, or more properly, Jury los Grande. Common mistake.

 

[Alligator Alcatraz]

Jail is probably the best place for him. It'll be like his new high school without the Gal Pals (well maybe if you count the other troons).

Jail is unironically the best place for him. They are essentialy modern day insane asylums. Chris will be fed, have a place to stay, and be told what to do. If they allowed him to have toys, he would be in paradise. Outside of prison, Chris is in danger of not only being exposed to Internet shenanigsns but would not have a home.

Asylums were truly a blessing for the mentally ill. All they needed was reform instead of dismantling. Some mentally ill people cannot safely survive or function in society without a caretaker and nursing homes are not a substitute.

 

[Eydallur]

And it's truly amazing, that in jail, which is incredibly boring, that he can't even come up with anything better.

From what I can remember Chris is incapable of creative thought. Everything he imagines is at most a distorted derivative of a cartoon, sitcom or other flavor of soy slop.

He probably either rejected a plea deal or this is part of his plea deal.

I agree it's likely he would have been offered a deal and rejected it, Heilberg is an accomplished attorney with a long career and it would've been most irresponsible of him to not pursue an arrangement that lets Chris plea out to time served. A plea deal could still be on the table after the grand jury has its say but with so much time elapsed already you'd think that avenue would have been explored already. If felony charges are recommended Chris will be facing a much worse deal if one is even offered.
It bothers me that many speak with such assuredness on these hypothetical events when so few facts are available to the public.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

It is just fascinating to see how this went from kinda stupid kid in rednecks paradise to slightly disturbing guy living in a hoarders house to annoying people with sexual stuff to trooning out to fucking his own mother to going to jail. Wow, what a ride. Looking at the timeline sure let's you shudder - and let's you stare in awe how hard someone can fuck up his life.
Whenever I went back to check what was happening, Chris somehow was able to lower the bar a little bit more, and I think he can manage to lower it even more.

It's kinda silly how everything in Chris' life is declared a "Saga", but when you go with that segmentation of Chris' life, you can actually tell that every segment gets significantly and progressively worse than the one before.

At any given point, you can't help but look back at the previous Saga and think "man, things were much better back then" and it speaks volumes that we've reached a point where a self-declared tranny with shitty hygiene and severe untreated autism, delusions of godhood, sitting in a toy-filled room surrounded by their own filth is seen as the good old days.

Jail is unironically the best place for him. They are essentialy modern day insane asylums. Chris will be fed, have a place to stay, and be told what to do. If they allowed him to have toys, he would be in paradise. Outside of prison, Chris is in danger of not only being exposed to Internet shenanigsns but would not have a home.

Asylums were truly a blessing for the mentally ill. All they needed was reform instead of dismantling. Some mentally ill people cannot safely survive or function in society without a caretaker and nursing homes are not a substitute.

I'm sorry if this has been asked and answered already, but it with the size of this subforum, you simply lose track of such info.

If Chris would be released from jail now (say, until the trial), where would he go? Would the state give him some place to crash or would he literally be out on the street, being forced to look for his own accomodations? I mean, he'll receive his tugboat once he's free, so he can at least pay for whatever place he ends up in, but I somewhat doubt that Chris would do a good job of looking for a place on his own.

From what I can remember Chris is incapable of creative thought. Everything he imagines is at most a distorted derivative of a cartoon, sitcom or other flavor of soy slop.

You can tell that the only "entertainment" Chris gets in jail is reading the bible. I opt to send him some other book and betting on what character he'll incorporate into his self-image.
Like, let's send him Moby Dick, my money's on Quequag.

 

[Sourpuss]

Currently speculation, but there's not many other ways it could have happened. The way that they are handling this case is quite unusual. He probably either rejected a plea deal or this is part of his plea deal.

My guess is he's rejected any deals. The charge could have gone either misdemeanor or felony, and I can only imagine his defense trying to get him to plea down to the misdemeanor which would have had him probably released on time served as he's already been held for a year.
Grand jury = felony proceedings and Mom/Son incest is a class 5 felony that carries a maximum penalty of 10 years and given the sporadic chaos Chris has wreaked on Ruckersville; I haven't kept track, but off the top of my head it's something like 3 or 4 disorderly conducts, various trespassing charges, the 2011 hit and run at the Game Place, several cases of vandalism, several incidents of shoplifting.. I'm forgetting some.. but the point being that the courts and legal system have been more than accommodating and lenient with Chris and he's going to do a hard stretch. I'm predicting 3-5 years and that he'll be transferred back to the mental hospital in the first 6 months of his sentence and he won't get out.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

My guess is he's rejected any deals. The charge could have gone either misdemeanor or felony, and I can only imagine his defense trying to get him to plea down to the misdemeanor which would have had him probably released on time served as he's already been held for a year.
Grand jury = felony proceedings and Mom/Son incest is a class 5 felony that carries a maximum penalty of 10 years and given the sporadic chaos Chris has wreaked on Ruckersville; I haven't kept track, but off the top of my head it's something like 3 or 4 disorderly conducts, various trespassing charges, the 2011 hit and run at the Game Place, several cases of vandalism, several incidents of shoplifting.. I'm forgetting some.. but the point being that the courts and legal system have been more than accommodating and lenient with Chris and he's going to do a hard stretch. I'm predicting 3-5 years and that he'll be transferred back to the mental hospital in the first 6 months of his sentence and he won't get out.

Unless the disorderly conduct cases you mentioned include the GameStop "Unlawful release of dangerous gas" charges that got plead down to a misdemeanor, that's something to also keep in mind.

 

[Fapcop]

I wouldn't be surprised if he tries that in a trial.

Well, it wouldn’t be Chris, it would be his lawyer. But it’s a perfectly valid legal argument.

The deciding point here is how badly does the dementia have to be to constitute as sufficient mental impairment that one loses the ability to consent, and if Barb meets that criteria. Chris could probably argue that Barb was assessed to be well enough to live on her own and even drive, which suggests that she might not be impaired enough to be unable to consent. Even if they prove that Barb has dementia, it's not going to be as easy to prove rape as many assume.

It’s a shit case for the prosecution, no matter how much the autist community on the Farms want Chris to get 20 to life.

(I’m assuming the prosecution also knows they have a shit case, considering they didn’t file felony charges right away.)


1: The Barb factor. Even assuming that Barb is found 100% competent and she WAS raped by a horny tard, there’s still a good chance Barb won’t testify. They’ve basically been a married couple for a decade and a mother and son for four. Asking Barb to help send Chris behind bars is a tall order.


2: The whole “it was just big talk!” Angle. If you or I were bragging about fucking our mom it would be one thing. But this is Chris, and it’s not like the defense would have to work very hard to establish that Chris has a history of making outrageous, crazy claims.


3: Was it voluntary? Was Barb capable of consent?

Now keep in mind that the legal bar is “guilty beyond reasonable doubt.”

Also keep in mind that people who have autistically been following Chris for years here on the farms, are pretty split on what exactly happened and to what extent Barb had groomed Chris.

If the defense goes in and tries to throw as much doubt dust in the air regarding consent, voluntary incest, mutual grooming etc, there’s a perfectly good chance that the jury (or at least enough people on the jury) will shrug and go: “I don’t know exactly what happened, but both of these people disgust me!” And either go for not guilty or only convict Chris of a lesser charge.


All this is of course only relevant if there IS a trial, and the grand jury isn’t just part of plea deal process.

 

[Fcret]

Asylums were truly a blessing for the mentally ill. All they needed was reform instead of dismantling. Some mentally ill people cannot safely survive or function in society without a caretaker and nursing homes are not a substitute.

I definitely think dismantling the asylums was the Reagan-era GOP's biggest L.

 

[Philosophy Phil]

I definitely think dismantling the asylums was the Reagan-era GOP's biggest L.

But where would we be if he hadn't done as such?

 

[Fapcop]

nah, he'll go to regular prison like Nick Bates did.
now if he gets charged as a rapist or sex offendor, he may very well go to the MAP wing of the prison.
that was established because so many MAPs were getting killed in prison that they needed to be in that wing to not die.

most pedophiles that die in prison weren't in the map wing because they went back to jail for some other crime after serving their sentence.

Again: This “OMG! Pedos totally get killed and attacked in prisons!” is largely a myth.

Unless you’re in Supermax or an institution for violent offenders, prison is largely a boring fucking place where everyone tries to do their time as painless as possible.

There are yearly around 100 homicides in prison.

There are tens of thousands of sex offenders in federal and state prisons.

Do the math.


TLDR: Chris will be fine. His biggest pain will be only having a prison tablet and the common room TV and missing his toys. Granted, that is a rough deal for Chris, but he isn’t going to get neither raped, beaten or murdered.

 

[Juan But Not Forgotten]

The Barb factor. Even assuming that Barb is found 100% competent and she WAS raped by a horny tard, there’s still a good chance Barb won’t testify. They’ve basically been a married couple for a decade and a mother and son for four. Asking Barb to help send Chris behind bars is a tall order.

I know it's hardly a reliable source, but in one of recent letters(the one where he says that Bella didn't coerce him into anything) Chris claimed that Barb wasn't interviewed due to her mental state. It kinda conflicts with her being lucid enough to drive a car and live on her own, but people say that dementia isn't that simple, people can do their everyday routine while being absolutely disconnected from reality.

But where would we be if he hadn't done as such?

Enjoying a peace from all this evil.

 

[Alligator Alcatraz]

I've been going through the thread quoting informative posts of note for reference. Stopped at page 117. Calling it a night.

I don't care what Null says, the discussion and speculation is nice to peruse through. Even if you don't know much about Chris in particular, there is interesting information about court functions here for good bois and grills who aren't familiar with the US court system.

Spoiler: Collection of Interesting Posts

I called and got proof for you fellow Kiwis

https://www.dropbox.com/s/593p8d02rvx6xra/Chris%20Chan%20Proof.mp3?dl=0

Edit for the Kiwis that didn't know, I have the coof and my nose and mind is fucked to hell.

In most states a grand jury is just the prosecutor presenting whatever evidence he wants to the jury. Even evidence that might be inadmissible. The goal is just to see if there is a possibility the state can prove it's case in a trial. The defendant isn't even there and no defense is put on. Hence the saying "you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich."

Edit* to clarify, in some states a defendant or defense attorney may be present, it depends, but they would basically just be there to watch.

Good eye! Here is link to Chris' vineline

https://vinelink.vineapps.com/person-detail/offender/22167398;tabIndexToSelect=0

It still lists him in custody, but there would likely be a delay either way.

It appears the Prosecutor will be presenting the case to a Grand Jury for Felony Indictment, and the case will be moved out of Family and Juvenile Court to the big boy Circuit Court. This means Chris stays in jail. That one year rule only applied to the special Family Court which could only deal with misdemeanors.

The good news for us is Circuit Court proceedings are unlikely to be closed to the public.

The suspicion is Chris once again found a way to fuck himself. Likely by refusing a plea deal.

I should make a rule where if you complain about a thread not being featured you just get banned automatically.

Post a TTS thread with a link to the outcome. Chris going to court is not a happening. Chris has been going to court every 4 months for the last 10 years since the site was up. If something actually happens, then it's a happening.

It's not even a trial. It's a grand jury trial. They're asking a grand jury if there's enough evidence to indict Chris for the crime. So we'll get a yes/no and then it moves down the road by another 4 months. Grand Juries are not super juries that are more cool and important than regular juries. There much less at stake than a normal trial.

Redditors and Discord kittens joining. THERE IS NOTHING TO FEATURE. A NORMAL PERSON USING THIS SITE THAT DOES NOT FOLLOW CHRIS HAS NO REASON TO READ THIS FUCKING THREAD. Chris is awaiting a Grand Jury decision, what the fuck do they need to see?

 

[Fapcop]

But where would we be if he hadn't done as such?

1970’s bleeding heart liberal: “CLOSE ASYLUMS! It’s INHUMANE!”

1980’s bleeding heart liberal: “ community based mental health care! “

2000’s bleeding heart liberal: “That good for nothing Reagan DISMANTLED the mental healthcare system and unloaded them on to local communities to save money! Outrageous!”


Who would have thought that crazy people would act crazy and not take the pills the doctor told them to take?!

 

[Michael Janke]

TLDR: Chris will be fine. His biggest pain will be only having a prison tablet and the common room TV and missing his toys. Granted, that is a rough deal for Chris, but he isn’t going to get neither raped, beaten or murdered.

though i imagine most non pedos in prison can establish a group of freinds within the prison.
a guy who raped his mom will be a pariah and miss that social interaction making prison even worse than it normally is.
when FPS Kyle went to prison he talked about his friend Snow who said, when he was in medium "they knew how to handle the chomos."
so i assume pedos or chomos don't get treated very well by the other prisoners, even if they aren't killed.
edit: and why would you treat them well, they are scum. and there's no incentive to treat them well, imagine being accused of being "friends with the chomos."

 

[oramge cat]

You guys think Chris fucked up a plea deal by either confessing to 'spirit binding' with Barb or outright refusing to say he's guilty?

When he made a plea deal for the fsilure to stop thing with our merchant friend Snyder he almost fucked it up by calling snyder a liar who didn't deserve a red cent. Which the judge ignored.

I 100% believe this might've went down here.

He pulled a Baked Alaska and said he'd take the deal to go home but was innocent. It was explained to him that he could go to trial if he maintained his innocence and he agreed despite being told over and over by his lawyer that he should just admit guilt, that the case against him was airtight as there was a recorded confession, and he just upgraded his misdemeanor to big boy court where he can get real time.

I wonder if this is self-preservation. Maybe he knows he can't go home and jail is the second most familiar place to him after 14BC. He seems to be making efforts to placate/remove Barb from the equation by trying to fundraise to pay off the mortgage and stick her in a nursing home but being Chris, these are unlikely to succeed. I think he's become institutionalized and doesn't want to leave, and he likely gets letters from a-logs that are just "lol Chris when u get out u be homeless sleep under overpass eat trash can."

I've been wrong about everything relating to this case tbh so maybe this post is worth a barrage of trash cans but fuck, this is all so weird.

 

[Aciddab]

So it sounds like they can/are holding him in jail for more then a year? Its not mentioned in the FAQ but I thought someone said that the tugboat could be suspended for that reason? If he was using it for commissary up until this point, that could another rude awakening, yeah?

 

[Michael Janke]

So it sounds like they can/are holding him in jail for more then a year? Its not mentioned in the FAQ but I thought someone said that the tugboat could be suspended for that reason? If he was using it for commissary up until this point, that could another rude awakening, yeah?

i don't think he was using it for anything.
his commisary is full because weens phil it up.

 

[HyperboreanRightsActivist]

Currently speculation, but there's not many other ways it could have happened. The way that they are handling this case is quite unusual. He probably either rejected a plea deal or this is part of his plea deal.

The cowardice in chris makes me think he accepted the deal

The delusional arrogance makes me think he rejected it

 

[Galeocerdo]

The cowardice in chris makes me think me accepted the deal

The delusional arrogance makes me think he rejected it

It's now a case of which one has outweighed the other. Hasn't she/he always acted like a huge brat in courtrooms though?

 

[Fapcop]

though i imagine most non pedos in prison can establish a group of freinds within the prison.a guy who raped his mom will be a pariah and miss that social interaction making prison even worse than it normally is.

It’s prison man. There’ll be plenty of people who did fucked up things.

As for human interaction, it’s not like Chris has a lot as it is. Heck, he will probably socialize more in jail than at home.

when FPS Kyle went to prison he talked about his friend Snow who said, when he was in medium "they knew how to handle the chomos."

Inmate accounts can’t always be trusted, because they have a certain vested interest in pointing out how they made have done X but “hey! They weren’t a pedo and in fact, those chomos were CURBSTOMPED YO!” (Jail stories in general are often exaggerated because what is the listener going to do? Fact check them?)

Go to Reddit and check out the subreddit for sex offenders. Every once in a while someone will write a panic post because they’re about to do time and don’t want to die. And the SO who have done time will always say the same thing: They’ll be fine if they’ll just keep their head down.

so i assume pedos or chomos don't get treated very well by the other prisoners, even if they aren't killed.
edit: and why would you treat them well, they are scum. and there's no incentive to treat them well, imagine being accused of being "friends with the chomos."

There is a middle ground between being buddy buddy with someone and murdering them and beating them up: Ignoring them.

Inmates might not line up to give Chris snacks, but if you’re serving five years for an armed robbery or whatever, do you really want to double that because someone said someone is a pedo?