Grand Jury speculation thread

[Gottahavemysips]

I've seen a lot of people assuming that the grand jury means Chris must have turned down a plea deal, but a lot of people are ignoring that the plea deal may include pleading guilty to a felony charge. There's still way too many unknowns to believe we are approaching a trial or that Chris has rejected any plea deals. I've seen people bringing up the recent letters where Chris talks about how he's going to be back home soon as an indicator that there was some sort of plea that's off the table now - you know, the same letters where he says he's the reincarnation of Jesus and some kind of CPU goddess or whatever? He's been talking about how he will be released since the very first letters were posted. I question if it's even worth speculating about this motherfucker, because I'm pretty sure about a year ago practically everybody was taken by absolute surprise that he fucked his mom.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

I've seen a lot of people assuming that the grand jury means Chris must have turned down a plea deal, but a lot of people are ignoring that the plea deal may include pleading guilty to a felony charge. There's still way too many unknowns to believe we are approaching a trial or that Chris has rejected any plea deals. I've seen people bringing up the recent letters where Chris talks about how he's going to be back home soon as an indicator that there was some sort of plea that's off the table now - you know, the same letters where he says he's the reincarnation of Jesus and some kind of CPU goddess or whatever? He's been talking about how he will be released since the very first letters were posted. I question if it's even worth speculating about this motherfucker, because I'm pretty sure about a year ago practically everybody was taken by absolute surprise that he fucked his mom.

He's been asking for donations to his Commissary account again, he's just called them Tithes this time that to me would indicate he knows he's staying in for a while that's a prety recent development too as the letters from just after his stay in the hospital where saying no need for donations.

 

[NuancedTardWrangler]

There are a lot of places they can go, and all they need is throw enough of those lifelines for jurymembers who might have doubts to cling on to.

Not to mention the fact that no one familiar with Chris or his past actions will be allowed on the jury. So it’ll just be a bunch of randoms who have no clue as to what Chris has done in the past (or at least no very little of Chris)

 

[Chazzed Up]

I've seen a lot of people assuming that the grand jury means Chris must have turned down a plea deal, but a lot of people are ignoring that the plea deal may include pleading guilty to a felony charge.

I was under the impression that this crime can be considered a misdemeanor and thus I wouldn't have expected accepting a felony charge to be a good deal from Chris's end. Been a while since I read about those details but from what I remembered people were thinking he would not be facing a lengthy jail sentence or anything unless they either pursued a rape case or threw the book at him really hard for the incest charges.

 

[Hopkinsville Goblin]

I've seen a lot of people assuming that the grand jury means Chris must have turned down a plea deal, but a lot of people are ignoring that the plea deal may include pleading guilty to a felony charge. There's still way too many unknowns to believe we are approaching a trial or that Chris has rejected any plea deals. I've seen people bringing up the recent letters where Chris talks about how he's going to be back home soon as an indicator that there was some sort of plea that's off the table now - you know, the same letters where he says he's the reincarnation of Jesus and some kind of CPU goddess or whatever? He's been talking about how he will be released since the very first letters were posted. I question if it's even worth speculating about this motherfucker, because I'm pretty sure about a year ago practically everybody was taken by absolute surprise that he fucked his mom.

It was a crazy time. I remember a hashtag on Twitter #CHRISCHANDIDWHAT that was giving the Olympics a run for its money and then Tucker Carlson covered Chris and said he'd be put in a women's jail.
One of Chris's jail art drawings shows 14BC transported to Cwcville. I wonder if this might be a way for Chris to cope with not being able to return there, even after his release from jail.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Possibly? I have little idea how family courts work. The way I'm interpreting however is pretrial ended yesterday, so he hadn't been charged until now and the after the indictment will be the first opportunity for a plea. Pointless Sperg will likely have great insight now that he can see the pleadings and orders.

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Also I'm a moron, the bottom *isn't* a schedule from the docket, this is a list of documents entered. It doesn't tell us what happened, just what stuff got put into the case file. I hit reply too damn fast.

From it we can infer that the ILPPP evaluation is what found Chris incompetent, at which point he was sent to WSH to be restored. I love that even though they can't say he went to WSH, they list a report from them which basically confirms it.

Not sure what the letter from Heilberg is. Maybe he's quitting. Maybe it's the agreed-upon plea bargain. I have no clue.

I was under the impression that this crime can be considered a misdemeanor and thus I wouldn't have expected accepting a felony charge to be a good deal from Chris's end. Been a while since I read about those details but from what I remembered people were thinking he would not be facing a lengthy jail sentence or anything unless they either pursued a rape case or threw the book at him really hard for the incest charges.

It still can be sentenced as a misdemeanor in circuit court. I've mentioned before that a misdemeanor conviction would have his entire sentence already satisified, so no suspended sentence to give teeth to probation (just a fine).

If he pleads guilty to a felony, they can say, give him 3 years in prison, 1 time served , 2 suspended. Technically they should give him good time credit for jail as well, adding to the time served (but not for his time in WSH), but who knows if he earned any good time credit. Chris gets to go free but if he fucks up his probation then he goes to prison for 2 years.

 

[Ammyterasu]

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Request for appointment of a new lawyer? Or it's a renewal of his current one?

 

[Yksi_Toveri]

Request for appointment of a new lawyer? Or it's a renewal of his current one?

They entered today's date for all the family court pleadings/orders. That was likely August 5th of last year when Heilberg was appointed to Chris.

 

[Wolpertinger]

Hypersexuality is fairly common in dementia cases. Signs of penetration in/around the vagina? Why that was Barb masturbating with an object.

Maybe Chris witnessed some of this and got the inspiration for his outrageous incest story.

Is every member of the jury going to buy into it? Probably not, but Chris’s defense doesn’t need that. They just need to stack these on top and throw enough doubt dust in the air to move a few of them away from beyond a reasonable doubt.


Legally maybe. But we’re talking about a jury. Feed them enough stuff about Chris being autistic and not understanding jack shit and being groomed by Barb, and at least some of them won’t be too keen on finding Chris guilty, or might go for a lesser charge.

Again: It’s not someone raping Barb T knifepoint. It’s a complicated case involving two deeply fucked people, and all you need is a few jurors to go “I don’t know exactly what happened but I can’t send this sped to jail for a decade based on this!”


There are a lot of places they can go, and all they need is throw enough of those lifelines for jurymembers who might have doubts to cling on to.

And most importantly: If the prosecutor had a strong case, or had a strong wish to send Chris away for years, he wouldn’t be doing this shit after a years time.

I don't think they would go with "Chris made it all up" after they already have tested that Chris is mentally fit for the courts in the first place. To go that route would imply that Chris *isn't* mentally sound which they've already ruled out. If it's going this far, they already have some sort of evidence that Chris can be brought up on a felony. They don't just hand those out based on word of mouth.

I think we should also keep in mind that in VA, being trans will possibly outweigh Chris' autism as well. While he may be just a sperg to many online, to normies, especially now with all the trans legislation and trans people being front and center in a lot of the news, that's going to effect more of a potential trial that most think. Chris won't just be some sperg to a panel of likely conservative jurors - I think they're going to view as a sexual deviant and predator, first, and a helpless sperg second.

 

[Optimus Prime]

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Agreed, while we don't have the exact dates of everything, the mention of Western State gives us a general idea of the timeline - 'from ILPPP' I assume is around the end of Feb/Early March as that was when Chris was transferred, likewise 'From Western State' would be when he was rebooked on which we have a solid date (which I forgot off the top of my head).

Within that section is "For Treatment of Incompete" which obviously is 'treatment of incompetence'.

As such, I'm wondering if the events of late February from the final Spamton letter, where he mentioned he was getting out period, was simply Chris completely misunderstanding what was going on and misinterpreted being told he was being released from the prison. He may have even been flat out told he was going to a mental ward, but given his experience previously Chris could have easily seen that as being those ineffective therapy sessions he had to drive himself to in the aftermath of the macing and otherwise he was home free again.

I've seen people bringing up the recent letters where Chris talks about how he's going to be back home soon as an indicator that there was some sort of plea that's off the table now - you know, the same letters where he says he's the reincarnation of Jesus and some kind of CPU goddess or whatever? He's been talking about how he will be released since the very first letters were posted. I question if it's even worth speculating about this motherfucker, because I'm pretty sure about a year ago practically everybody was taken by absolute surprise that he fucked his mom.

I see that more as evidence Chris seriously doesn't understand the level of fucked he's been in the whole time, worsened by how his last two brushes with the judicial system left him with nothing but essentially a slap on the wrist and required psychiatric exams that were nothing but a waste of time.

The idea Chris turned down one or more plea deals is borne from looking at both the situation as well as understanding Chris better than Chris himself - namely, it's likely that there's plenty of evidence that a plea deal would have been offered to just skip the whole process and let everyone get on with their lives, but Chris wouldn't cooperate because he isn't being treated like a special snowflake this time and would have to actually suffer grave consequences both in real terms and what would be unthinkable in his own terms I.E. never seeing his mother again. The reason it's taken a whole year is probably a combination of Chris being uncooperative as well as maneuvering by his lawyer to try and burn time served for a more lenient sentence, which ultimately has not worked. Though at the same time, keeping Chris locked up ensured he couldn't get himself into more trouble since he did also steal money from Barb's account, thus ensuring Chris couldn't make the lawyer's life even harder if nothing else.

Is every member of the jury going to buy into it? Probably not, but Chris’s defense doesn’t need that. They just need to stack these on top and throw enough doubt dust in the air to move a few of them away from beyond a reasonable doubt.

I'd say the fact Chris bought that book about having sex with old people is pretty damning evidence in of itself.

 

[ScaliasGhost]

Request for appointment of a new lawyer? Or it's a renewal of his current one?

Where I live if an attorney wants to withdraw, they file a "Motion to Withdraw as Counsel," they don't send a letter. Maybe in VA they do it differently, but idk what the letter could contain.

One possiblity is that the "Letter" from David Heilberg might be a third-party letter regarding Chris that Heilberg brought to the Court's attention himself. So in the system it would be a "Letter" "from David Heilberg" but the contents of the document are from a third-party.

 

[Elbow Greased Strength]

As I mentioned before, it could be that they *have* agreed on a deal, but it involves pleading guilty to a felony, which means it has to go through the grand jury and then to circuit court regardless, as he can't make a guilty plea deal for a felony in J&DR.

I increasingly think the entire point of dragging it out in J&DR was to give Chris as good a chance as possible once it reached the grand jury and explore options for a potential plea bargain. Most likely Chris completely spilled the beans the day he was arrested but thankfully had a very capable lawyer to sort things out.

By now pretty much everyone who wasn't following Chris before has forgotten about him so there's a very high chance the grand jury will be comprised of people completely unaware of his actions before or after the arrest. That helps the defense every single time.

 

[Gottahavemysips]

He's been asking for donations to his Commissary account again, he's just called them Tithes this time that to me would indicate he knows he's staying in for a while that's a prety recent development too as the letters from just after his stay in the hospital where saying non need for donations.

He may have been operating on what the lawyer told him could happen. A lawyer will usually present several scenarios, and they won't tell you what will happen. Chris could have taken him saying "best case scenario, the prosecutor agrees to a guilty plea for the misdemeanor and you get out with time served" as what would definitely happen because Chris is a retard who thinks he is some kind of goddess. After the hospital stay, whatever results were gathered there likely altered the nature of any possible plea deals. Do we even know if the hospital was part of building the case, or was it due to some kind of event in jail?
Hell, Chris being told he was going to the mental hospital could have led him to believe that meant his sentence was over. Nothing about his habits in terms of asking for commissary money means anything beyond Chris being a greedy fuck.
All of this speculation is worthless because it's putting so much information into a black box and trying to predict what comes out.

 

[Whaler]

Legally maybe. But we’re talking about a jury. Feed them enough stuff about Chris being autistic and not understanding jack shit and being groomed by Barb, and at least some of them won’t be too keen on finding Chris guilty, or might go for a lesser charge.

After all this time, why are people still acting like Chris is some innocent retard child who doesn't understand what's going on when he does something? He's fully documented his life and the shit he does online for all to see. He absolutely understands everything he does, he just doesn't care about the consequences. He's defended incest online before, numerous times. Does that sound like he doesn't understand that having sex with his mom was wrong? When he went to Gamestop to change the colors of Sonics arms, he told them not to call anybody. Does that sound he didn't know he wasn't allowed in the store after being banned? He knew what Pepper spray was and what it was designed for when he sprayed that man in the face with it, he didn't just stumble upon it and luck out by randomly aiming it at the guy and spraying it, he knew what he was doing, and how to do it. Anything the Defense tries to bring up about Chris being a tard baby who's too innocent for the world will be immediately slapped down by any DA/Prosecutor who even thinks about Googling Chris.

I'm also not including his three previous big court cases where he simply lucked out because the people involved went easy on him, those are still public knowledge, no matter how hard Chris tries to act like they didn't happen or he was cleared of all his wrong doings.

 

[King Kiwi]

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> For treatment of incompetence.
> Order.
> Grand jury.

Do you think they have a concern?

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God dammit, you guys like your text walls.

 

[Chazzed Up]

Chris won't just be some sperg to a panel of likely conservative jurors - I think they're going to view as a sexual deviant and predator, first, and a helpless sperg second.

As it should be, in my opinion. Quite a few of the dudes nabbed on TCAP and related investigations had low IQ or mental illness but it didn't make them not dangerous. They just went after someone in their ballpark as far as vulnerability and naivete. Being retarded doesn't mean you aren't dangerous, just that your pool of victims is smaller and more specialized.

 

[WolfKiller]

Chris is going to get mad when he sees that the jerkops aren't falling for his act...

 

[Elbow Greased Strength]

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What do the PLEADINGS/ORDERS stuff tell us?

Fun fact - ILPPP is the Institute for Psychiatry and Public Policy at the University of Virginia.

So Chris actually got evaluated more than once. presumably once by them before sending him to Western State and again by the hospital at discharge.

This is also the second time in Chris' life he's been evaluated by psychiatrists from a state university for his behavior. Guy's going to make the state the forefront of autism research in a few years.

 

[Optimus Prime]

By now pretty much everyone who wasn't following Chris before has forgotten about him so there's a very high chance the grand jury will be comprised of people completely unaware of his actions before or after the arrest. That helps the defense every single time.

I'm pretty sure that isn't going to help Chris, since just looking at the guy you can tell something's off about him, which will only be made worse for Chris the longer the theoretical trial goes because no doubt he's going to think the prosecutor is going to get something wrong (gender, what Sonichu is, etc.) and interrupt proceedings to 'correct' them. Instant contempt of court. And that'll probably happen within the first five minutes.

Fun fact - ILPPP is the Institute for Psychiatry and Public Policy at the University of Virginia.

So Chris actually got evaluated more than once. presumably once by them before sending him to Western State and again by the hospital at discharge.

This is also the second time in Chris' life he's been evaluated by psychiatrists from a state university for his behavior. Guy's going to make the state the forefront of autism research in a few years.

I wonder if it's possible that by the end of this, Chris is going to be stripped of the Autism diagnosis after all this time and be slapped with something worse sounding. I certainly would be interested to see what would come out of sticking him in a CatSCAN machine and looking at his brain activity as compared to somebody with high functioning autism that didn't turn into, well, Chris.

 

[Phil Ken Sebben]

He's in Protective Custody in jail and will likely also be in PC in prison. Solitary is a punishment for bad behavior. PC just means a cell by himself in a wing where prisoners who are at serious risk of harm in GenPop are placed (usually ex-cops and pedos, but a tard like Chris is at danger as well).

Could you imagine Chris in genpop and trying out his "accents" on them to get them to accept him? Like pulling an Apu in the Indian restaurant? He'd try talking "street" to the homies, try his best Cheech Marin impression with the Latinos and so on. I think the Aryan Brotherhood would be safe though from that but they'd probably just want to kick his ass on principle.