Artcow WogglebugLoveProductions / Cynthia Hanson / Cherie Anne Hapney - One Womanchild's Fruitless Quest to Make Her Cockroach Husbando a Household Name

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

Guys, you can't use logical questioning here because "logic" isn't relevant as to why Cherie loves and defends this character so much. Her love of the Bug comes first, the reasoning comes about afterwards. To me, it seems blatantly obvious that as a socially inept and unaware, arrogant (she was in speducation, remember, but acted like she was above the other students), likely obnoxious and outcast child, she identified herself with the Wogglebug very strongly. She has totally projected herself onto him, this is clearly a very personal thing that she holds close, and she treats "redeeming" him as a serious mission. Being severely autistic she probably could not see why other people disliked or ignored her, concluding they were wrong and she was just misunderstood. Her whole "the Bug just wasn't around the right people" (i.e people that kiss his fat ass with 0 questioning) line is probably exactly how she feels/felt about herself. Just like the Wogglebug, she repeatedly drives people away with her obnoxious and entitled behaviour, then proceeds to blame everyone but herself.

To be honest I think Tip IS really retarded to rather hang out with and actually defend creatures that are like living toys instead of actual creatures that are meant to be alive like Wogglebug and have real hearts and brains like he does.

"Meant" to be alive?? Now that's a sketchy line of thinking. If in this world these creatures are sentient and intelligent, how are they not by default "equal" to other creatures with the same level of sentience who happen to be flesh and blood and not toys? Why shouldn't they live? There's this guy I think you'd be interested to know about, funny moustache, Austrian, etc...had some similar thoughts.

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

I imagine Cynthia has some weird autistic inability to cope with the notion of a being that isn’t “biological” but is still “alive“ even in the context of fiction. It kind of reminds me of a phase I went through when I was a young boy. Basically, I saw that scene in A.I where the robot kid tries to eat and his face goes all saggy when the food gums up his innards. Scared the shit out of me. So, for a few months after that I “hated robots.” Except Transformers, because they were cool and most importantly, clearly weren’t human. I was even a bit distressed when they noted that Inspector Gadget’s movie girlfriend was completely robotic. I think it was basically my spectrum kid brain trying to cope with the uncanny valley. I wouldn’t be surprised if Cynthia was going through something similar, except instead of being eight she’s in her late thirties and has been on this kick for eight years.

One thing I’ve noticed going through the thread is that Cynthia’s stopped going on about how much she hates and loathes her mother for not adopting her out as a baby. A rare example of personal growth, or has she realised she shouldn’t bite the hand that literally feeds her?

 

[Illuminati Order Official]

But then the fact is then why would the wizard pretend to give them those fake trinkets of a heart and brain?

Ever watched "Dumbo"? For the same reason Dumbo got the feather - to help him gain confidence and do things he was already capable of doing.

 

[WogglebugLover]

Ever watched "Dumbo"? For the same reason Dumbo got the feather - to help him gain confidence and do things he was already capable of doing.

Yes, of course I've watched Dumbo. Both the animated version and the live action remake. And while what you say has some truth to it, in both versions at some crucial points he loses the feather because it isn't needed anymore, just as it never really was to begin with,

 

[The Un-Clit]

Yes, of course I've watched Dumbo. Both the animated version and the live action remake. And while what you say has some truth to it, in both versions at some crucial points he loses the feather because it isn't needed anymore, just as it never really was to begin with,

Holy shit. The end of 'Wizard of Oz' goes right fucking past you, Cherie.

THAT'S EXACTLY THE POINT OF THE TRINKETS THE WIZARD GAVE THE TIN MAN, SCARECROW AND LION FFS! How could you get it in Dumbo but miss it so autistically in the even more blatant Oz?

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

I think Cynthia’s trying to argue that the Wizard handing out placebos in the first place was immoral. This of course misses a couple of important points. One, the Wizard was already a morally ambiguous figure, seeing as he was a literal con-man. Two, it’s not like he was giving people sugar pills for cancer or something, he just gave the heroes tokens of traits they had in abundance. And by then he’d been exposed and planning on leaving Oz anyway, so it was a legit gesture of goodwill on his part. Cynthia clearly has no understanding of nuance. The normally perfectly nice Scarecrow and Tin Man get a bit exasperated by Woggle? They’re clearly evil arseholes animated by demons, who definitely imprisoned Wogglebug in a drug fuelled haze like he was a rich granddad whose will they had a stake in.

 

[Phil Ken Sebben]

Um…what?
‘It’s not a “view” or an “impression” of the character when it is literally what’s written in the book. Baum’s writing style was never overly subtle/wordy nor was it overly simple either. It was clear and direct, so it’s pretty easy from the get-go to determine his characters’ personalities, goals, quirks, etc. And I can tell you point-blank that it doesn’t take a genius to understand the Wogglebug’s character either. and he’s certainly not what you describe time and time again.

Its one thing to do your own interpretation of a character/story - I’m honestly fine with that - it’s another to boldly proclaim that you know a character better than the character’s own creator. You didn’t create him, this is only your take on him.

and don’t you think that’s rather rude to take someone‘s work, act like it’s yours and yours alone, and claim that you “understand” and know it better than the original artist does?
It’s one thing to improve upon/flesh out a preexisting story/character that may have been flawed or underdeveloped.
But this isn’t that— this is just taking someone’s work and being disrespectful about it.

Yeah but only Cynthia knows the REAL Wogglebug and the rest of the Oz fandom don't because she's SMRT and they're not.

But seriously it's no different than why some people are attracted to serial killers or the antagonist from a story. The only difference is nobody other than her is this into Woggie. With the exception of his husband of course.

My original plan when I first conceived my dream was to just not have anything whatsoever to do with Oz in my career. Which might have been for the best.

Career? You call what you're doing a career? This is a larp. This is a hobby. This is at best a side gig. This is not a career and isn't one until you can live comfortably off the proceeds. It's not even a job as that stands for "Just Over Broke" in other words you're not really making enough. You're not even at that level yet so to call this a career shows you're really full of yourself.

If he's not gay, why does he keep making love to Frogman?

It's like those guys that get their dick sucked by another guy but insist they're not gay because they're not the one doing the sucking.

Woggie takes Froggie's dick up the ass every night. There's no way he can deny being gay.

Nothing anywhere near as big as him at least. Wogglebug is my life.

That's sad.

Holy shit. The end of 'Wizard of Oz' goes right fucking past you, Cherie.

THAT'S EXACTLY THE POINT OF THE TRINKETS THE WIZARD GAVE THE TIN MAN, SCARECROW AND LION FFS! How could you get it in Dumbo but miss it so autistically in the even more blatant Oz?

Cynthia is too retarded to have figured that out.

Even seeing it for the first time I was able to figure that out.

 

[Overcast]

No, he doesn't.

It's NOT as if he could possibly have done that on purpose though.

How could it possibly have NOT been disrespectful of them to not just tell him why they were on their way to the Emerald City in the first place (regardless of whether or not he had asked). After all he deserved to know it.

The sawhorse is not like a real horse and so I don't see much, if anything at all, wrong about that.


To be honest I think Tip IS really retarded to rather hang out with and actually defend creatures that are like living toys instead of actual creatures that are meant to be alive like Wogglebug and have real hearts and brains like he does.

And to be honest again, I LIKE the Wogglebug's puns. Always have. And so does my co-writer apparently.

What the fuck, Cherie. I was wondering all this time what exactly you saw in the Wogglebug, but now I know what's clearly obvious to me now based on what's already been said.

You are a bully. Both you and the Wogglebug are bullies who project their insecurities and are unable to empathize with others. Because you don't have any admirable traits of your own, you seek to tear others down and prop yourself up. Which is exactly why you like the Wogglebug. He's YOU.

One thing I’ve noticed going through the thread is that Cynthia’s stopped going on about how much she hates and loathes her mother for not adopting her out as a baby. A rare example of personal growth, or has she realised she shouldn’t bite the hand that literally feeds her?

Rate me Late or whatever, but what the fuck, where and when was this? Cherie, why do you hate your mother after all she's done for you? How would being adopted by someone else made things better for you?

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

You are a bully. Both you and the Wogglebug are bullies who project their insecurities and are unable to empathize with others. Because you don't have any admirable traits of your own, you seek to tear others down and prop yourself up. Which is exactly why you like the Wogglebug. He's YOU.

A reminder Cynthia thinks killing a kitten for no reason isn’t a big deal because you can always get a new, better one. I honestly wonder if part of her thinks Dorothy was a scrub for bringing her aunt and uncle when she moved to Oz.

 

[WogglebugLover]

What the fuck, Cherie. I was wondering all this time what exactly you saw in the Wogglebug, but now I know what's clearly obvious to me now based on what's already been said.

You are a bully. Both you and the Wogglebug are bullies who project their insecurities and are unable to empathize with others. Because you don't have any admirable traits of your own, you seek to tear others down and prop yourself up. Which is exactly why you like the Wogglebug. He's YOU.

As far as I'm concerned, the very definition of bullying is exactly what the Oz characters and fandom and community have been doing to the poor Wogglebug for more than a century.

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

As far as I'm concerned, the very definition of bullying is exactly what the Oz characters and fandom and community have been doing to the poor Wogglebug for more than a century.

Wasn’t Wogglebug made a university dean and a member of Ozma’s court? Your definition of bullying is clearly very particular.

 

[Overcast]

As far as I'm concerned, the very definition of bullying is exactly what the Oz characters and fandom and community have been doing to the poor Wogglebug for more than a century.

Because he did shit that warranted it. He was an asshole nobody liked and even then, based on the description of the book he was in, he was still being given chance after chance after chance. He didn't turn out to be a big villain that melted into a puddle of green goo like the Witch did.

Also what's this about killing kittens? You say you have a chihuahua right? How would you feel if I went over to your place and smashed its head in and told you, "It's okay! You can always just get a new one!" From what I recall, it sounds like you really love the dog, so I would hope you don't actually believe what you said. Especially considering you put the Wogglebug on a pedestal.

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

Talking to Cynthia is like interviewing a serial killer. You can glean reams of insight into aberrant psychology, but never take them at their word.

 

[WogglebugLover]

Wasn’t Wogglebug made a university dean and a member of Ozma’s court? Your definition of bullying is clearly very particular.

As far as I can recall his being made a university dean was only just meant as a means of keeping him out of the way. And Ozma only just lets him out of it for things like parties and sometimes court meetings just to make herself look good, and not because she actually has any real respect or love toward him. So, he just has to go to another fantasy land and become the royal adviser and royal educator for another and better monarch that lives there like King Ethano and Queen Lexia.

Because he did shit that warranted it. He was an asshole nobody liked and even then, based on the description of the book he was in, he was still being given chance after chance after chance. He didn't turn out to be a big villain that melted into a puddle of green goo like the Witch did.

As far as I am concerned the ones around him have done far worse shit that warrants the wrath of people like me who love him and see him as he really is. If I need to make those characters look bad and hurt them worse than the hurt him then so be it.

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

As far as I can recall his being made a university dean was only just meant as a means of keeping him out of the way. And Ozma only just lets him out of it for things like parties and sometimes court meetings just to make herself look good, and not because she actually has any real respect or love toward him. So, he just has to go to another fantasy land and become the royal adviser and royal educator for another and better monarch that lives there like King Ethano and Queen Lexia.

I love how utterly incapable you are of distinguishing between the version of Oz in your head and the one in the actual books. Also, Ozma’s a fucking queen with magic powers, if she wanted Wogglebug “out of the way“ she could’ve just turned him into an actual bug or something whimsical like that. Not sure why she’d care to do so, because again, Wogglebug is not important.

 

[Puddleduck]

To be honest I think Tip IS really retarded to rather hang out with and actually defend creatures that are like living toys instead of actual creatures that are meant to be alive like Wogglebug and have real hearts and brains like he does.

Well I think you are really retarded, because instead of hanging out with living people, you devote your life to a fictional cockroach.

 

[WogglebugLover]

Well I think you are really retarded, because instead of hanging out with living people, you devote your life to a fictional cockroach.

I do hang out with living people. I just first of all prefer to hang out with those who share my interests (especially in the Wogglebug), and also prefer to do so online. And due to this pandemic, that is likely for the best for at least a long while yet.

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

Still not sure why “repulsive bug-human hybrid” outranks “19th century cyborg” or “scarecrow with a mind and personality“ in Cynthia’s Great Chain of Beings.

 

[WogglebugLover]

Still not sure why “repulsive bug-human hybrid” outranks “19th century cyborg” or “scarecrow with a mind and personality“ in Cynthia’s Great Chain of Beings.

There is nothing repulsive about the Wogglebug.

 

[White-Kettle Shufflepunk]

There is nothing repulsive about the Wogglebug.

He’s a giant insect! And in your telling, fused with human DNA. That’s like, two primal human fears rolled into one!