Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

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Thank you for the fulsome reply but I was after actual sources on this, not just 'wouldn't surprise me if...'

This thread has some great science in it and this is almost definitely a question that there is an answer to but if we all go with what wouldn't surprise us we might end up following our own fairly conscious biases around this whole subject?

I can see it going from 'I guess that X' to 'X is definitely true' and it'd be good to get a clear, science-based answer to it rather than us all just speculating and then potentially contributing to misinformation — that would be a minor tragedy when this seems to be one of the few places where information that goes against Current Year groupthink is openly/freely discussed..
it'll be a decade to study fully and get to a solid conclusion on it. science often takes longer than we'd like- especially with a small pool of subjects.

this would be fertile females taking testosterone with no underlying physical conditions. we haven't had this group to study until this past maybe decade. and so few do have pregnancies, and to term, that's a tiny cohort to base any conclusion.

it'll just take time to know.
 
I’d hazard a guess that we don’t really know anything about troons shooting T for years and how it’ll affect their eggs.

Yeah, trans men sometimes get pregnant.

But nowhere anywhere near in the numbers needed to able to say anything with certainty.

How many abort along the way, how many kids have birth defects?

Who the f knows, the doctors responsible sure as hell won’t go out of their way to ring any alarm bells.
 
it'll be a decade to study fully and get to a solid conclusion on it. science often takes longer than we'd like- especially with a small pool of subjects.
Colour me amazed that this hasn't been tested already. Seems like the sort of thing first year biomed students would be doing. Guess I'm not gonna get my clarity just yet :c
 
it'll be a decade to study fully and get to a solid conclusion on it. science often takes longer than we'd like- especially with a small pool of subjects.

this would be fertile females taking testosterone with no underlying physical conditions. we haven't had this group to study until this past maybe decade. and so few do have pregnancies, and to term, that's a tiny cohort to base any conclusion.

it'll just take time to know.

We actually had quite a sizable cohort of young women taking testosterone for years.

Sportswomen from the eastern block.

The results are hardly encouraging.
 
Thank you for the fulsome reply but I was after actual sources on this, not just 'wouldn't surprise me if...'

This thread has some great science in it and this is almost definitely a question that there is an answer to but if we all go with what wouldn't surprise us we might end up following our own fairly conscious biases around this whole subject?

I can see it going from 'I guess that X' to 'X is definitely true' and it'd be good to get a clear, science-based answer to it rather than us all just speculating and then potentially contributing to misinformation — that would be a minor tragedy when this seems to be one of the few places where information that goes against Current Year groupthink is openly/freely discussed..

If you're not happy with anyone else's answers, you can always look things up yourself.
 
Our of interest, why rate me dumb for asking for clarity rather than accepting what people assume must be the case?

I'm not asking about risks to transmen, I am already aware that current crop of idiots basically are the long-term study.. I'm asking specifically about the effects of T on egg viability, and that's bioscience that's almost definitely been studied outside of the realm of troon surgeries. From what other thread users have said it sounds like there is some concrete knowledge on this and that's literally all I'm asking to be pointed to, rather than told what people assume or think might be the case. If you don't have an answers then that's cool, but telling me about risks to pregnant TiFs and the lies told about that isn't necessarily relevant to the question I'm asking.

I'd hate to see a decently sciency thread get shitted up with misinformation, especially given that like I said,this is one of the few places this stuff is actually openly discussed. :optimistic: maybe someday some poor sod with GD will visit and it would be cool if we could give them the actual unvarnished truths that we are claiming to instead of supposition.

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Earlier in this thread there were medfags who talked about the effect of pcos on the egg, developmental stages of a matured egg and which hormones at which step would influence them in what ways. Then in the thread you replied to it clearly stated factors that could make the state of your eggs worse, and how taking insane amount of T could influence those factors. These are the closest educated guesses that could answer your question, as the group you have in your head—normal adult birthing age women who were put on hormone blockers/cross sex hormones since the age of 13–simple did not exist.


Colour me amazed that this hasn't been tested already. Seems like the sort of thing first year biomed students would be doing. Guess I'm not gonna get my clarity just yet
What are you going to do your study on? Are you going to inject pregnant women with 400mg testosterone and then see what happens to their baby? Are you in high school?

Edit: looks like you didn’t understand what is PCOS, there ARE studies on PCOS, and they were mentioned, and if you have PCOS as a woman, you have elevated Testosterone levels.
 
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Earlier in this thread there were medfags who talked about the effect of pcos on the egg, developmental stages of a matured egg and which hormones at which step would influence them in what ways. Then in the thread you replied to factors that could make the state of your eggs worse, and how taking insane amount of T could influence those factors. These are the closest educates guesses that could answer your question, as the group you have in your head—normal adult birthing age women who were put on hormone blockers/cross sex hormones since the age of 13–simple did not exist.
It just amazed me that nobody has studied this with regard to the basic science. Fucking with this stuff in a lab setting (i.e. outside of the arena of trans issues or even actual human bodies at all) is presumably doable, to someone out there with a more science-minded brain than mine. I can't believe nobody was curious enough to experiment before now!

@Fapcop, what happened to the Soviet girls? Presuming that once they aged out of competitive sports they were no longer shot up with T all the time, it sounds like they might point to the answers on this
 
Do you have a troons understanding of biology and human body? In lab settings? Are you going to drop 1 testosterone on 1 egg and see what’s gonna habben?
As I said... I'm not particularly science minded. But there are sCiEnTiStS out there trying to transplant dog's heads and shit so presumably there are also madlads out there who are interested in the effects of hormones on human fertility and are doing whatever sensible reasonable experiments they can design to look at those effects.

I'm not sure why you're being hostile, I'm asking for clarity on something I have quite openly said I know very little about. Insinuating I'm stupid seems redundant when I'm already saying clearly that this isn't a specialist area of mine? Especially when your initial answer sidestepped the question entirely and talked about the effect on TiFs not their eggs...
 
Boston IVF did a study. 8 years, only around 25 patients. Based on that study there were no instances of birth defects resulting from testosterone use.

But it’s a limited study.

So the answer is: based on the available scientific research there is no indication that being on T affects the quality of oocytes. Most research in this field is looking primarily at the impact on fertility, and there are limited studies investigating the effect on actual products of conception.

The science may change in time, with larger studies and more long-term monitoring. But as of now, there’s nothing to support any claims of “testosterone poisoning” causing defects.

The medical director of Boston IVF is quoted by NBC news as saying

“If possible, trans men who know they want to have children should get their eggs frozen prior to transitioning, according to Pang. For one, it’s unclear what effect long-term testosterone use might have on eggs and embryos, even if the person goes off hormone treatment prior to fertilization. However, he added, there have been no reports thus far of harmful side effects to children born to those who have taken testosterone.”
 
It just amazed me that nobody has studied this with regard to the basic science. Fucking with this stuff in a lab setting (i.e. outside of the arena of trans issues or even actual human bodies at all) is presumably doable, to someone out there with a more science-minded brain than mine. I can't believe nobody was curious enough to experiment before now!

@Fapcop, what happened to the Soviet girls? Presuming that once they aged out of competitive sports they were no longer shot up with T all the time, it sounds like they might point to the answers on this

There has been little research done, but what they did on the East German girls wasn’t exactly encouraging.

Infertility, health problems, loss of sexual characteristics. Wikipedia has a little bit on it.


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This is the second time in a few weeks I’ve seen one of those roided up girls possibly have cancer.

I know cancer isn’t THAT rare, but these are young women ffs.

Her fellow troons are oddly quiet.
 
As I said... I'm not particularly science minded. But there are sCiEnTiStS out there trying to transplant dog's heads and shit so presumably there are also madlads out there who are interested in the effects of hormones on human fertility and are doing whatever sensible reasonable experiments they can design to look at those effects.

I'm not sure why you're being hostile, I'm asking for clarity on something I have quite openly said I know very little about. Insinuating I'm stupid seems redundant when I'm already saying clearly that this isn't a specialist area of mine? Especially when your initial answer sidestepped the question entirely and talked about the effect on TiFs not their eggs...
You have a challenged level of reading comprehension, your question was literally “can you provide more info on *this*” without stating what this is, my answer was how it would impact the BAby, aka the grown version of the egg, of a ftm, aka where the egg is grown. You accuse all other learned medfag kiwis of not being scientifically sound enough for your liking, everything’s not good enough to prove there’re adverse effects to the egg from testosterone for you, even when they clearly stated what happens to your whole baby bits, including the eggs, ina woman with pcos. stop picking issue out of nowhere
 
Her fellow troons are oddly quiet.
For all the bleating the I'Ve DoNe ExTENsIvE ReSeaRCh crowd performs, they are firmly grounded in wishful/magical thinking that these surgeries are sound. What did that one troon suggest to get a womb implant? Step 1: Get uterus, Step 2: Wash your hands, Step 3: ???, Step 4: HAVE A BABY! But something like an abdominal mass that could impact multiple systems? They're clueless because at the end of the day they really don't know shit about anatomy.

Good luck with your cancer bean, lil manlet.

P.S. $5 says her cancer doc gets called a transphobe because they will recommend that she delay her rotdog until the mass is taken care of.
 
I thought everyone did this or something similar. Or at least every female. I'm not a lesbian. I don't get off on looking at my own junk. I just want to know what I look like. Curiosity. Also grooming (shaving, waxing). And yes, for health.

TMI, apologies.
Sorry a bit late but..
The women in this thread who go "ew that's gay" about looking at their own body remind me of the dudes who think it's gay to touch/wash their asses.

I can't believe y'all can look at these monstrosities in this thread but not your own god damn bodies.
 
This thread is convincing me that trannyism is the new reincarnation of darwinism. If anyone is dumb enough to mutilate their genitals or tits, should they even reproduce? (no)
They take themselves voluntarily out of the gene pool, which is great... But then they gotta go grooming kiddies to turn into troons instead. Cos like, LiFe FiNdS a WaY (:_(
 
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