Post videos of people dying - Self explanatory really

[The handsome tard]

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Brazilian govt authorizes deadly use of force amidst surge of motorcycle robberies

I enjoyed watching this more than I would like to admit...

Dumb negro tries to stick up liquor store with a stolen AR, gets blasted by an 80 year old with a shotty

Get fucked. I fucking died at the guy screaming "he shot my arm off" Shame he didn't shoot him in the head and save us some money.


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I dont know why but the fact that they parked on the handicap spot just makes me hate them even more...its the small things I suppose.

 

[mr.moon1488]

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More seriously,
In CQB target acquisition is going to be the same speed between the shotgun and rifle, it's a matter of mechanics. Technically speaking you should be faster with a short barreled AR, because it weighs less and it's weight is distributed closer to the magazine vs spread out like with a shotgun.

When it comes to me personally, I recommend pistols of your choice to most people. If you aren't going to train it or prepare for the house fight, a pistol is an easier weapon to wield in tight quarters.

The average loaded weight of a shotgun is six to eight pounds. An M4 weighs about seven and a half pounds loaded, but the furniture most people attach brings that up significantly, so weight isn't really an issue. Regardless, you do still have to aim to use any rifle effectively, whereas it's the opposite with a shotgun. If you ever sit and watch people skeet shoot, you'll see that the most common reason they miss is that they overcalculate and lose the most optimal window to shoot. Likewise, as I mentioned previously, a good hit center-mass hit with a rifle is most likely not going to do much to a target wearing modern body armor. A good center-mass hit with a shotgun on someone wearing body armor has an extremely high probability of inflicting an injury or fatality because a portion of the shot is going to go around the strike plate.

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

Rifles > Shotguns

An AR would have fucked him up just the same

It all comes down to capacity. Same reason why so many places are sticking with 9mm rather than a heavier caliber. Putting 17 shots of 9mm downrange is superior to any additional stopping power of 12 shots of 45.

 

[Homefries]

Fatal pedestrian accident in NYC

https://abc7ny.com/inwood-crash-nyc-fatal-nypd-traffic-accident/12095260/

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

I don't really agree with that in all contexts. I think for just urban operations in general, something like a carbine is ideal, but I think for the specific context of defensive urban operations, the shotgun has some pretty major advantages. For one, it certainly has shorter target acquisition times as there's no real aiming per se. If someone is breaching in on you, you simply need to point at the breach point and fire

That's the typical spread of some 00 Buckshot at 10 yards which is farther than you'll shoot in most homes, and probably father than the gas station shooting we watched. You still gotta aim with a shotgun.

Likewise, most nation's room clearing tactics advocate tight stacks entering in through a single breach point followed by moving to points of domination within the room. This means that if the defender is using a shotgun, there are fairly high odds that even one shell might actually kill or incapacitate multiple team members in the stack since they're basically on top of each other. Obviously, if the one and two man become casualties immediately upon entry, the odds of the three and four man getting hit are substantially higher since now they no longer have the element of surprise and they're going to have to push past the now dead/injured one and two man.

Like the picture above shows, you're only lighting one guy up. He's eating all that buckshot and it's not likely to pass though as easily as a rifle round. Also, if you're up against some half-way competent dudes that are running a stack, you're probably not gonna make it.

This fact is actually one of the things which made shotguns so deadly in trench warfare during the first world war. Because you have tightly grouped targets, more than likely a single shot is going to score multiple hits and in that close of quarters, incapacitation is most likely going to result in death.

The effectiveness of a shotgun in a trench was due to the rate of fire and it's wieldability. Keep in mind that a trench is just a long and muddy hallway. Compared to a Mauser 98 or some guy with a Luger and no reload on hand, a shotgun is devastating. Even then, the Strumtruppen had many a guy assault a trench with only a sack full of grenades to great effect.

Another thing to consider is the fact that most countries use some form of body armor now. An intermediate round like what you see in most armies is not going to reliably penetrate. While buckshot certainly won't penetrate either, if you point and fire center-mass, more than likely at least some of the shot is going to land in locations not protected by the plate. Namely, the neck and face, which will mostly be lethal, or the shoulders and arms which will be incapacitating.

Yes, and you're only chance of defeating body armor is with speed. Rifles provide that. Gambling on a pellet spreading far enough seems like a really bad gamble. At the distances we're talking about, velocity from most rifles will be brutal.

Shotguns are better than nothing, but compared to a modern pistol with 15 rounds or a semi-auto rifle, you're going to be super hard pressed to find somewhere the shotgun excels beyond their capabilities (aside from breaching).

I am not trying to be an asshole when I point out that the people who make a living out of running up in someone's house and killing people do certain things for a reason and those reasons are worthy studying. A DEVGRU team searching a house operates under some basic principles of CQB. Those principles are the same for you as well.

 

[Sho'nuff]

The average loaded weight of a shotgun is six to eight pounds. An M4 weighs about seven and a half pounds loaded, but the furniture most people attach brings that up significantly, so weight isn't really an issue. Regardless, you do still have to aim to use any rifle effectively, whereas it's the opposite with a shotgun. If you ever sit and watch people skeet shoot, you'll see that the most common reason they miss is that they overcalculate and lose the most optimal window to shoot. Likewise, as I mentioned previously, a good hit center-mass hit with a rifle is most likely not going to do much to a target wearing modern body armor. A good center-mass hit with a shotgun on someone wearing body armor has an extremely high probability of inflicting an injury or fatality because a portion of the shot is going to go around the strike plate.

You're just describing mechanics here, good training and mechanics with a shotgun or rifle will yield results.

Onto your body armor argument, the average bullet proof vest can stop bird and maybe buckshot. You need at least level 3+ (plates with steel inserts) or higher to effectively stop 3100fps nato 556. Effectively stop as in the first round isn't a guessing game of angle and range. Same armor for slug shotgun. Regardless it's a complete moot point. If someone is invading your home with expensive plate armor, you are fucking dead, they aren't there for your TV.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

The average loaded weight of a shotgun is six to eight pounds. An M4 weighs about seven and a half pounds loaded, but the furniture most people attach brings that up significantly, so weight isn't really an issue. Regardless, you do still have to aim to use any rifle effectively, whereas it's the opposite with a shotgun. If you ever sit and watch people skeet shoot, you'll see that the most common reason they miss is that they overcalculate and lose the most optimal window to shoot. Likewise, as I mentioned previously, a good hit center-mass hit with a rifle is most likely not going to do much to a target wearing modern body armor. A good center-mass hit with a shotgun on someone wearing body armor has an extremely high probability of inflicting an injury or fatality because a portion of the shot is going to go around the strike plate.

You serious? You go down, HARD. Taking a round to the plates is painful.





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All favor a rifle. Shotguns are great for hunting rabbits and phesants

 

[Friendly Primarina]

Okay, so you don't actually see the death, but it has actual audio and the guy sounds kinda derpy which adds something to it. Basically, a GA pilot races the clouds to the ground and loses.

For some actual on-screen death, there's this video:

From one of the comments "They were so far behind the plane, I'm amazed they were found in the wreckage."

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

From one of the comments "They were so far behind the plane, I'm amazed they were found in the wreckage."

That's a good one.

 

[GayestFurryTrash]

You serious? You go down, HARD. Taking a round to the plates is painful.





Length
Weight
Manual of Arms
Capacity
Modularity
Ease of Use

All favor a rifle. Shotguns are great for hunting rabbits and phesants

Argues all this shit over a video where some dumbass couldn't get the first shot off with his AR against some ancient dude with a shotgun that's probably been in that corner since Carter was in office.

Some people choose rifles, others choose shotguns. There's also the fact that as a law abiding citizen you're responsible for where your round goes after shooting the clearly future lawyer who is attempting to harm you. Either is better and easier than a handgun but I'll take a shotgun over nothing.

 

[Archie_Kimkicker]

Okay, so you don't actually see the death, but it has actual audio and the guy sounds kinda derpy which adds something to it. Basically, a GA pilot races the clouds to the ground and loses.

For some actual on-screen death, there's this video:

From one of the comments "They were so far behind the plane, I'm amazed they were found in the wreckage."

Another Part 135 fatal. N88OZ. Circular approaches, especially in IMC, are strongly counterindicated.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

I don't really agree with that in all contexts. I think for just urban operations in general, something like a carbine is ideal, but I think for the specific context of defensive urban operations, the shotgun has some pretty major advantages. For one, it certainly has shorter target acquisition times as there's no real aiming per se. If someone is breaching in on you, you simply need to point at the breach point and fire whereas the fireteam which is breaching is going to need to identify your location upon entry before firing. Likewise, most nation's room clearing tactics advocate tight stacks entering in through a single breach point followed by moving to points of domination within the room. This means that if the defender is using a shotgun, there are fairly high odds that even one shell might actually kill or incapacitate multiple team members in the stack since they're basically on top of each other. Obviously, if the one and two man become casualties immediately upon entry, the odds of the three and four man getting hit are substantially higher since now they no longer have the element of surprise and they're going to have to push past the now dead/injured one and two man. This fact is actually one of the things which made shotguns so deadly in trench warfare during the first world war. Because you have tightly grouped targets, more than likely a single shot is going to score multiple hits and in that close of quarters, incapacitation is most likely going to result in death. Another thing to consider is the fact that most countries use some form of body armor now. An intermediate round like what you see in most armies is not going to reliably penetrate. While buckshot certainly won't penetrate either, if you point and fire center-mass, more than likely at least some of the shot is going to land in locations not protected by the plate. Namely, the neck and face, which will mostly be lethal, or the shoulders and arms which will be incapacitating.

When ww3 starts can I camp out at your place?

 

[F_Break]

A 40 year old woman blasted her Mercedes through a busy intersection at 100mph killing six people in LA.

 

[FFinfo]

A 40 year old woman blasted her Mercedes through a busy intersection at 100mph killing six people in LA.

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She only killed 5 people, one was just pregnant. Gotta keep Californian standards consistent.
Anyway, I saw it pointed out that she apparently has her arm out the driver's side window holding her phone up in the frames before the accident, so people are speculating it was a suicide attempt.

 

[Bonedome]

That's a fairly shit suicide attempt, don't even die and kill 5 others.

 

[FFinfo]

That's a fairly shit suicide attempt, don't even die and kill 5 others.

There's a reason people say women attempt suicide and men commit suicide.

 

[The Un-Clit]

She only killed 5 people, one was just pregnant. Gotta keep Californian standards consistent.
Anyway, I saw it pointed out that she apparently has her arm out the driver's side window holding her phone up in the frames before the accident, so people are speculating it was a suicide attempt.

If it was, it looks like she wanted to claim herself a place in Valhalla while doing so. Shiny and chrome.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

Basically, a GA pilot races the clouds to the ground and loses.

I wonder at what point he realized he fucked up?

At least he didn't bring anyone else along to suffer with his stupidity.

 

[MadStan]

man has seizure and falls into boiling pot

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https://www.hindutamil.in/news/tamilnadu/834464-a-person-who-fell-into-a-boiling-vessel-in-madurai-died-miserably-1.html

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On the bright side, temple devotees reported the soup had more going for it this time round and appreciated the protein kick. The soup has been named "The Madurai shaker".

 

[Pizzapopzzzzz]

A bit late, but I think this was from Canada, maybe Saskatchewan.

EDIT: I found a news story about the incident, and it was from Manitoba.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/serena-mckay-murder-1.4465484

Yes!! They r free this day,wakin around lik they didnt kill poor serena#justiceforserenamckay

Girl, 19, beaten to death on sick Facebook Live video by gang of schoolgirls

A PAIR of teen schoolgirls are facing murder charges after another girl was brutally beaten to death – amid reports the killing may have been broadcast on Facebook. Serena McKay, 19, was foun…

www.thesun.co.uk

Murder of Serena McKay - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Somehow the two murderers names are still private even though they're murderers. Looks like the both got a whopping 3 years for stomping a girl to death. What a joke.

Lynnae cook & chrissy jacobs! They dont deserve privacy