A PSA: Dear non-Southerners and non-Hillbillies...

[sadbird]

If it helps, as a European you're all equally gay

don't make me point to the sign

 

[RandallBoggs]

don't make me point to the sign
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Not enough markers in France, sus data

 

[NOT a Loaded Gun]

Fuck off, we're full of niggers

 

[Syaoran Li]

Fuck off, we're full of niggers

As well as all the border reivers who taught the niggers all their awful ways!

 

[Puff]

As well as all the border reiver who taught the niggers all their awful ways!

No, they culturally appropriated those ways. The nigger ways are a shitty knockoff.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I like the South but you have to navigate between niggers and Deliverance type white trash so it's no different than driving through Queens, NY.

 

[Wesley Willis]

I'm not from the south. I'm from the upper midwest. We think you're white trash, because we've seen it first hand.

 

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I remember reading an old linguistics paper about how the Reconstruction South was ruined not just by carpetbaggers and freedmen, but also by the movement of the penniless, landless yeomanry of the Virginian/Carolinian piedmont and foothills into the other regions of the South in the decades after the war.

The linguistic researchers can track their spread across the Appalachians into the Deep South based on the dialect shift in each region to the more debased speech patterns characteristic to their kind.

The control group was the descendants of the Brasilian Confederados, who left before Southern speech was contaminated by the mountain speech.

Supposedly the antebellum Southern dialect bore a much closer resemblance to the Yankee dialect, and the reason why it sounds so different now is due largely to the post-war isolation and the pernicious influence of the mountain speech into all the major Southern dialects.

Appalachian/Upper Southern speech (I hear a difference between the two, but you can always go more fine with a distinction) has a lot of similarities to Northern accents and Deep Southern has a lot to Northern too, if the Upper South/Appalachia hadn’t been in slave states I don’t know that it would have ever been considered part of some thing called the South.

The big one is whether you drop the r or pronounce it harshly, Upper Southern is harsh and choppy and growly and sounds identical to Texan (Middle Tennessean and Texan are identical, I cannot tell any difference) whereas Deep Southern is smoother and more singsong, and you’ll notice that people in New England do the same r dropping.

At some point after the War, and the explanation I heard is different from yours but not contradictory to it, the center of political and economic power in the South shifted away from places like Mississippi and South Carolina and towards places like Northern Georgia (Atlanta) and Alabama (Birmingham) and Tennessee/Kentucky, and so the social status of Upper Southerners rose relative to them. To this day American speech as a whole is assimilating towards the Upper Southern way of speech, but the accent is getting much weaker too.

The actual plantation accent (which did not have a drawl until after the War) is pretty much confined to rural Blacks and to a small circle in Georgia.

 

[Syaoran Li]

As a "white" trash hillbilly who's straight from the holler, let me say the following...

Baldwin-Felts did nothing wrong.

Shitposting aside, the fondness that so many A&N trads have for the Upper South and for Appalachia is honestly kind of weird.

Contrary to what some trads on here seem to believe, we're not just like the Midwest but with a twangy accent.

 

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Many Southern whites don't even speak English. I've dealt with some people from Texas, Alabama, etc. and I just want to scream SPEAK ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER. It's not surprising that the degenerate language spoken by blacks derives from Southern whites.

 

[Wormy]

Many Southern whites don't even speak English. I've dealt with some people from Texas, Alabama, etc. and I just want to scream SPEAK ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER. It's not surprising that the degenerate language spoken by blacks derives from Southern whites.

HP Lovecraft, is that you? Did you bring Niggerman with you this time?

 

[Absurdity]

Say what you will about the South but without it, horror films would still be boring monologues in labs with off-camera violence sprinkled throughout. Basically, modern Covid coverage on CNN.

 

[Wormy]

Say what you will about the South but without it, horror films would still be boring monologues in labs with off-camera violence sprinkled throughout. Basically, modern Covid coverage on CNN.

Sooooooo, what's the southern horror film you're thinking of that brought us out the Attack of the Atomic Age Monster phase?

 

[Absurdity]

Texas Chainsaw Massacre of course!

Edit: Oh, I guess I forgot to include silly Hitchcock genre, which out of all of them Psycho was probably the best example and is set in the Southwest, technically not the deep South but close enough. The rest of Hitchcock feels more like unintentional comedy.

 

[Wormy]

Texas Chainsaw Massacre of course!

Dude, Last House on the Left. Night of the Living Dead. The Exorcist. The original Wicker Man. The Man from Deep River. Rosemary's Baby. Tombs of the Blind Dead. ALL predated TCM. I love TCM too, and it revolutionized a lot of horror tropes, but it's not even close to being responsible of ending the Atomic Age Monster genre.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Texas Chainsaw Massacre of course!

Edit: Oh, I guess I forgot to include silly Hitchcock genre, which out of all of them Psycho was probably the best example and is set in the Southwest, technically not the deep South but close enough. The rest of Hitchcock feels more like unintentional comedy.

The Last House on the Left predated Texas Chainsaw Massacre, as did Night of the Living Dead.

Both of these were explicitly Northern in both setting and character, with NOTLD being set in Butler County, Pennsylvania and Craven's 1972 film being set mostly in rural Upstate New York.

EDIT - Ninja'd by @Wormy

Even with Southern settings, Deliverance predated Texas Chainsaw Massacre by two years.

Then again, I'm of the opinion that Deliverance is less of a horror flick and more of a dramatized educational film on Appalachian culture.

 

[Wormy]

The Last House on the Left predated Texas Chainsaw Massacre, as did Night of the Living Dead.

Both of these were explicitly Northern in both setting and character, with NOTLD being set in Butler County, Pennsylvania and Craven's 1972 film being set mostly in rural Upstate New York.

EDIT - Ninja'd by @Wormy

Even with Southern settings, Deliverance predated Texas Chainsaw Massacre by two years.

Then again, I'm of the opinion that Deliverance is less of a horror flick and more of a dramatized educational film on Appalachian culture.

Wait, didn't Deliverance take place in deep Georgia? I never thought of it as Appalachia, though it did have a lot of the trappings...

 

[Absurdity]

Dude, Last House on the Left. Night of the Living Dead. The Exorcist. The original Wicker Man. The Man from Deep River. Rosemary's Baby. Tombs of the Blind Dead. ALL predated TCM. I love TCM too, and it revolutionized a lot of horror tropes, but it's not even close to being responsible of ending the Atomic Age Monster genre.

The Last House on the Left predated Texas Chainsaw Massacre, as did Night of the Living Dead.

Both of these were explicitly Northern in both setting and character, with NOTLD being set in Butler County, Pennsylvania and Craven's 1972 film being set mostly in rural Upstate New York.

EDIT - Ninja'd by @Wormy

Even with Southern settings, Deliverance predated Texas Chainsaw Massacre by two years.

Then again, I'm of the opinion that Deliverance is less of a horror flick and more of a dramatized educational film on Appalachian culture.

Yeah, yeah, I'll take the L on the Dead movies (Pennsyl-tucky) but as you can see, you just can't do without a generic hickville setting and no one does it better than the South. Zombie films wouldn't have their Walking Dead revival without the South. Deliverance is a meditation of the horror surviving among hickville inhabitants, and more horrifying than the Birds for sure. In fact, if it weren't for the abject horror of the South and the need to tie multiple generations of Prog Crock Libtarditarianism to huwhite racismology inherent with the non-melanated, where would SJWs and their Wokandan confreres be today? I daresay they'd all be unironically eating their chicken & grits with watermelon on the side on top of a Southern Cross flag turned picnic blanket somewhere south of the Mason-Dixon.

 

[Wormy]

Yeah, yeah, I'll take the L on the Dead movies (Pennsyl-tucky) but as you can see, you just can't do without a generic hickville setting and no one does it better than the South. Zombie films wouldn't have their Walking Dead revival without the South.

Uhhhhh, no. The zombie craze was already in full swing when Darryl Dixon became a sex symbol The Walking Dead became a hit.

Romero's work did a hickville setting just fine. That was part of the beauty of it, if you delete a name drop or two, that could have been ANYWHERE in rural America.

Deliverance is a meditation of the horror surviving among hickville inhabitants, and more horrifying than the Birds for sure. In fact, if it weren't for the abject horror of the South and the need to tie multiple generations of Prog Crock Libtarditarianism to huwhite racismology inherent with the non-melanated, where would SJWs and their Wokandan confreres be today? I daresay they'd all be unironically eating their chicken & grits with watermelon on the side on top of a Southern Cross flag turned picnic blanket somewhere south of the Mason-Dixon.

The dirty South and it's aesthetics had a notable place in the golden age of American horror films, but they were not even close to the greatest power source.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Wait, didn't Deliverance take place in deep Georgia? I never thought of it as Appalachia, though it did have a lot of the trappings...

That it did, I was just being a bit shitposty with the whole "Deliverance was a documentary" bit