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I vote “in the arms of an angel” bonus points if it’s westlifes version, or flying without wings Or greenday time of your life.

We all know it’s going to be chav-tastic with horses with feathers. His army will line the route to the church crying holding signs.

The after party will result in police coming out because drunk chavs always fight.
The use of "In the arms of an Angel" at funerals really grinds my gears. Does no-one actually listen to lyrics anymore? It's a lovely song but it's about heroin addiction and not remotely appropriate for anyone's funeral (unless they were an actual smack addict of course).

If she has the funeral in a church then she likely won't be allowed secular music anyway, apart from processional & recessional (going in & out).
 
EDIT: How the fuck would a mercy kill be redundant? You're pissed off that his life was artificially prolonged, I'm proposing a solution that literally kills him faster.

I’m struggling to understand how it would kill him any faster? A respiratory depression isn’t going to do anymore for anyone who isn’t going to make any respiratory effort at all once he is intubated
 
Yeah, this is a pretty extreme case but it's disturbing that this seems to be SOP for when you're pulling someone off of life support. In this case it's fairly black and white but it's often not so cut and dry, and doctors are not nearly as reliable as we think they are. I'm less worried about this kid in particular as I am about the next kid that gets labeled as "brain-dead" by some overpaid quack and left to die horribly. I'm not signed up as an organ donor for the same reason, because terms like vegetative state, comatose and brain-dead are not nearly as hard and fast as you'd think. I really don't see what we'd have to lose by making mercy kills mandatory in cases like this. There are no good moral reasons, only legal ones.

And I'm terribly sorry that the image of a kid turning blue and dying is disturbing to me. I guess I'm just not as logical and smart as you are.
You contradicted yourself multiple times. Read the thread to see how much your worries have already been discussed. You don't understand what you're trying to attach to Archie's case. A blue and dead body is overall less disturbing than fucking necromancy of a body for four months to avoid it turning blue in the first place. Make your peace with death, it happens to EVERYONE, we will all see someone expire in more gruesome and upsetting ways than what happened here for Death 2: Electric Boogaloo, and society's desperate avoidance of death or trying to fuck with its process is why we have this thread in the first place. It's not about being logical or smart, it's about being realistic and at peace with the nature of our existence.

As for killing him faster, you'd understand why that should have happened but didn't if you had any context in the slightest that wasn't drawn from your own continued ignorance. Go back and read from the start. Stop shitting up the thread with questions and musings you'd have answered if you used your eyeballs.
 
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How can people still be this dumb? There were no options, poor Archie died before he was even found. Whatever the reason behind it, he chose his own path. The mercy was him not being alive to see how his body was treated following his death. The paramedics didn’t restart his heart to bring him back to life, they did it so that the doctors, with more knowledge and authority, would have the final say. They probably knew what they were doing was futile, but as someone said earlier in the thread it’s standard when it involves a child. What will maybe come of this is that doctors or paramedics stop keeping dead kids hearts beating, denying other families the chance to say goodbye while their child is still warm.
 
Would you be okay if a nurse snuck in and diddled his peen while he was still technically alive? How about if he got wheeled into surgery and they hacked off a foot? Does that all sound jake to you? No? Well why not? He can't feel it, it's all cool! I watched Josh's stream, I heard the part about him being unable to feel pain and about 30% of his brain being necrotic. It doesn't affect the calculus of my argument. The point is if they did it to this kid, that implies this is a standard operating practice for them. Given that the NHS is perpetually broke and looking to cut costs, this sets a worrying precedent.
What do you think happens in organ donation? Exactly what you just described. Surgeons and nurses pull organs out of “technically alive” patients. No one thinks that’s horrific because we all know the donor patient has already died.
 
Would you be okay if a nurse snuck in and diddled his peen while he was still technically alive? How about if he got wheeled into surgery and they hacked off a foot? Does that all sound jake to you? No? Well why not? He can't feel it, it's all cool! I watched Josh's stream, I heard the part about him being unable to feel pain and about 30% of his brain being necrotic. It doesn't affect the calculus of my argument. The point is if they did it to this kid, that implies this is a standard operating practice for them. Given that the NHS is perpetually broke and looking to cut costs, this sets a worrying precedent.
Okay so you have no issues with necrophilia I imagine then.
 
Yeah, this is a pretty extreme case but it's disturbing that this seems to be SOP for when you're pulling someone off of life support. In this case it's fairly black and white but it's often not so cut and dry, and doctors are not nearly as reliable as we think they are. I'm less worried about this kid in particular as I am about the next kid that gets labeled as "brain-dead" by some overpaid quack and left to die horribly. I'm not signed up as an organ donor for the same reason, because terms like vegetative state, comatose and brain-dead are not nearly as hard and fast as you'd think. I really don't see what we'd have to lose by making mercy kills mandatory in cases like this. There are no good moral reasons, only legal ones.

And I'm terribly sorry that the image of a kid turning blue and dying is disturbing to me. I guess I'm just not as logical and smart as you are.

EDIT: How the fuck would a mercy kill be redundant? You're pissed off that his life was artificially prolonged, I'm proposing a solution that literally kills him faster.
A mercy killing would be redundant in this case. Archie had experienced brain stem death and his dead brain stem had been forced down his spine by his necrotic brain. There would have been no perceptual difference if morphine had been administered, because there was zero electrical activity in his (rotting) brain. He couldn't suffer because he couldn't feel or perceive anything. Giving his body a morphine overdose would have achieved the exact same thing as withdrawing his ventilator with no benefit.

The reason morphine overdoses aren't given to terminal patients is because of laws around euthanasia. Doctors can't give someone a fatal dose of morphine without going to prison, but they can withdraw treatment. You can't kill, but you can allow to die. There are efforts to change the law around assisted dying for the exact reason you've flagged.

It is disturbing and traumatic to watch someone turn blue as they die. However Hollie's argument appears to be that the hospital allowed him to die in a way that was traumatic and undignified. There is no scenario where Archie didn't turn blue after treatment was withdrawn (and the same thing would have happened if he'd been administered a morphine overdose)

Doctors are relatively underpaid in the NHS, but anyway yes they can sometimes get things like this wrong. Which is why there's tests and there need to be multiple doctors to agree there's been brain death or no chance of recovery. There's also mechanisms of appeal in case they're all also wrong, which is what Hollie was exploiting.
 
Would you be okay if a nurse snuck in and diddled his peen while he was still technically alive? How about if he got wheeled into surgery and they hacked off a foot? Does that all sound jake to you? No? Well why not? He can't feel it, it's all cool! I watched Josh's stream, I heard the part about him being unable to feel pain and about 30% of his brain being necrotic. It doesn't affect the calculus of my argument. The point is if they did it to this kid, that implies this is a standard operating practice for them. Given that the NHS is perpetually broke and looking to cut costs, this sets a worrying precedent.
You are being a complete and utter retarded nigger of the highest order. None of your extreme whataboutisms have any relevance and you continue to show you'd rather postulate about your own NHS gripes than contribute something both informed and valuable. They spent quarter of a million pounds on going above and beyond their duty to reanimate a decaying body because of people like you and Hollie, and rhetoric like yours is what robbed children of intensive care in PICU. Literally fuck off.
 
Would you be okay if a nurse snuck in and diddled his peen while he was still technically alive? How about if he got wheeled into surgery and they hacked off a foot? Does that all sound jake to you? No? Well why not? He can't feel it, it's all cool! I watched Josh's stream, I heard the part about him being unable to feel pain and about 30% of his brain being necrotic. It doesn't affect the calculus of my argument. The point is if they did it to this kid, that implies this is a standard operating practice for them. Given that the NHS is perpetually broke and looking to cut costs, this sets a worrying precedent.
I have no idea what you're referring to here. The NHS is broke, and yet it spent between £250k-750k keeping a dead kid from rotting for 4 months. However you look at it, that is a complete waste of money.
 
Because maintaining the care is cheaper then the ensuing lawsuits.
They didn't do it because it was "cheaper" or because they were afraid of legal action, they did it because it's what fucking doctors do, dude.

The point I was making is brain-dead or no, there are some things you don't do to a human body. My hope is that letting someone die like this and not even giving them a mercy kill should be on the same level morally.
It was a mercy kill. He passed peacefully in mere minutes after they removed his ways of assisted living, and he felt no pain. What the fuck more do you want?
 
The coverage is bizarre they deify Hollie Dance; a prostitute.


Dance isn’t “Mom” of the year, but she’s neither a prostitute. The only thing I can find of her work of an adult nature is as a “ring” girl. Someone who displays the round numbers at boxing matches.
 
Did Hollie not know that dead bodies go blue, but then I suppose a life of TV dramas where the bodies remain pink probably explains that misconception.
He had the most peaceful death imaginable, he wasn't in pain, he wasn't struggling to breathe, and he wasn't aware. If she had had her choice who knows how he would have died, crash his BP and cardiac arrest, bloated and grey, bleeding from every orifice once his liver packed in. gradually turning necrotic from his extremities inwards. Oh and incidentally he still would have gone blue at the end.
God I hope there is a SCR for this and they don't pussyfoot about because the optics of 'upsetting a grieving mother'
It will be extra-galling if she gets away with this.
 
The use of "In the arms of an Angel" at funerals really grinds my gears. Does no-one actually listen to lyrics anymore? It's a lovely song but it's about heroin addiction and not remotely appropriate for anyone's funeral (unless they were an actual smack addict of course).

Of course they don't. These are the same people that play "Every Breath You Take" at weddings and the Bri'ish version of people who slam on "Born in the USA" whenever we kill a terrorist.

In the Arms of an Angle is my bet too, and it's perfect, the whole extra Chavvy dimension of wilfully misunderstanding what the hell is going on. Damn good theme for this charade if you ask me.
 
Yeah and I don't think this should have been allowed to get this far either. Make sure he's dead as a doornail then pump him full of morphine. Again, this should be standard operating practice in all cases like this, because if the next kid isn't as dead as they think there's not even a chance he'll suffer.
Again, this is  illegal. You get 14 years in the slammer for doing that. They can't do active euthanasia. The Assisted Dying Bill is in the House of Lords at the moment to try and change this. People have been arguing in favour of active euthanasia for centuries but it's kept getting blocked, often over religious objections.
 
Yeah and I don't think this should have been allowed to get this far either. Make sure he's dead as a doornail then pump him full of morphine. Again, this should be standard operating practice in all cases like this, because if the next kid isn't as dead as they think there's not even a chance he'll suffer.
It is standard practice to give morphine and midazolam in all withdrawals, but in his case, it wasn't needed because he had no blood flow to his brain for 4 months. They were pretty certain he was dead. Also, the family would have just accused the hospital of euthanising him with drugs. As the family of Alfie Evans did.
 
Make sure he's dead as a doornail then pump him full of morphine.
Do you also want funeral homes to shoot dead bodies before they bury them, just to make sure they are completely dead? What about animal bodies - do you usually stab a steak before you cook it to make sure it's not still alive?

because if the next kid isn't as dead as they think there's not even a chance he'll suffer.
Nigga do you think it's somehow hard to determine if something is dead? They are fucking doctors, they can tell. Their practice is not just asking someone if they are alive and calling the time if the patient doesn't respond...
The whole alive or dead issue here was raised by the dumb and stubborn mother who forced this legal circus. The doctors knew all along what was gonna happen, but Hollie was too stupid (or grifty).
 
God I hope it's not Tears in Heaven. That song works just fine with a solo singer and guitar, we don't need a bunch of bri'ish mums ruining it.
Dunno, since Clapton wrote it about his kid who, er, also died as a direct result of inadequate parental supervision, it would actually be really fitting.

Or there’s always the Libertines’ Death On The Stairs. Blondie’s Hanging On The Telephone depending on which version of events Hollie gives that day.

Anyone cut a montage of all the Archie-in-a-bed photos over the Prodigy’s Breathe yet?
 
Dunno, since Clapton wrote it about his kid who, er, also died as a direct result of inadequate parental supervision, it would actually be really fitting.

Or there’s always the Libertines’ Death On The Stairs. Blondie’s Hanging On The Telephone depending on which version of events Hollie gives that day.

Anyone cut a montage of all the Archie-in-a-bed photos over the Prodigy’s Breathe yet?
You missed the most obvious one, Hanging Around by The Stranglers.
Christ he told his mother
Christ he told her not to bother
Cos he's alright in the city
Cos he's high above the ground

One of 'em comes over
Got a monkey on his shoulder
And the monkey's getting grinner
But his eyes are on the ground
 
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