Aug 9 2022 - Continuance on Grand Jury, defense filed motion for autism disorder deferred disposition

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So uh.

Raping your 80 year old mother isn't a violent crime?

Pointless Sperg said:
If sitting in jail for a year was always part of the plan, it's certainly interesting. If deferred disposition on a felony had always been the plan, then they could have skipped a whole ton of languishing in J&DR and just gotten on with it.

Unless Chris was on board with sitting in jail this long, which it sure didn't seem like.
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Was the new law that lets autists walk with probation on the books a year ago?
 
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Wouldn't this essentially mean Chris would have to plead guilty to Incest, which is on the list of required sex offender registry offenses.

Chris winding up as a registered sex offender is my preferred way this ends, this was he can never disappear and the government becomes the newfag.
 
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Second-Hand Boat Supplies said:
IF the motion is successful, Chris won't be 'convicted' but he will be essentially assigned a government babysitter and terms he has to live under for up to five years. Until we know the terms of the deal, (if there is a deal and this isn't a last second hail mary,) I'm not ready to say he's getting off scot free.

The autism deferral, in my brief, layman's reading on it, seems more intended to give the state flexibility in dealing with people like Chris. I'm guessing a review of the terms of deferral for cases using this motion successfully would show that they tend to be significantly more restrictive than other deferred dispositions falling under other classifications. On one hand, it's lenient because there's no conviction but on the other, it makes clear that they did indeed commit a crime due to their condition and may let the state impose closer supervision than they could otherwise without a conviction.
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One other thing I forgot to point out, if he gets deferred disposition, it doesn't mean that he's not convicted of *anything* necessarily.

One form of deferred disposition is that if you complete your probation, the original charge is dropped, and then you are instead found guilty of another, lesser charge.

It could be that a deferred disposition agreement here would be that if he completes his probation, he doesn't get a felony incest conviction, but is convicted of a misdemeanor (incest, or something else) that is covered by his one year of time served.

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Wouldn't this essentially mean Chris would have to plead guilty to Incest, which is on the list of required sex offender registry offenses.

Chris winding up as a registered sex offender is my preferred way this ends, this was he can never disappear and the government becomes the newfag.
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Simple incest does not put you on the registry. It would have to be accompanied with a finding that Barb was incapacitated.

Also deferred disposition would mean that if he completes probation, he is never convicted of that crime in the first place (instead he's either convicted of nothing, or a lesser charge).
 
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Ulkesh said:
Well he did know it was illegal. IIRC in 2016 he made a lot of hubbub about a mother and son being arrested for incest. So he can’t claim ignorance on that count.
So he knows its illegal, he knows it would garner a negative reaction, I’d say that’s as close as you can get Chris to seeing something as morally wrong.
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Fair enough. I do think that Chris ( obviously) knows its illegal.
PyrrhicRustle said:
As far as the law is concerned it would only care that you knew it to be illegal or generally wrong. If you think murder is okay but are aware that it’s illegal and generally frowned on, you’re not getting off any lighter.
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True and I'm not making a legal argument. I'm just talking about what Chris chans outside understanding of right and wrong might be.

I dont think Chris is genuinely insane insofar as the courts are concerne; or so incompetent as to be incapable of understanding anything he does or that is happening.

I do wonder how coherent his thinking actually is though. I also suspect his general cognition is not now equivalent to what it was in 2016
 
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Sho'nuff said:
Wouldn't this essentially mean Chris would have to plead guilty to Incest, which is on the list of required sex offender registry offenses.

Chris winding up as a registered sex offender is my preferred way this ends, this was he can never disappear and the government becomes the newfag.
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He is pretty thoroughly screwed already.


Even if he gets out tomorrow free of charges. He can't go back to 14bc. He is also invariably banned from every mlp convention or con of any kind.

Dudes entire life is going to be a magnitude worse than what it was even 2 years ago
 
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PyrrhicRustle said:
That is also what people said in 2012 and in 2015, and Chris went through both periods just fine.
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That's because he was able to dive into his hoarder hole and hide from the outside world.

Presumably, that's not an option anymore. If he gets a government tard wrangler assigned to him (PLEASE GOD LET IT BE MALE) or put in a group home, it's literally only a matter of time before he decides he wants to do something he isn't allowed to do and he tard rages out, makes up something about the cartoons in his brain telling him he HAD to do it, and expecting everyone to just ignore him like, stealing money from one of his home-mates to buy extra-spicky mickydoos or more legos.
 
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Ass Johnson said:
I can see the autism defense for offenses that aren't "hands on", but this is bullshit. I understand the three-strikes rule can't apply to Chris due to his varying dispositions in prior violent cases, but he clearly has a track record of not getting the fucking message. Even if it's a longer stint in an inpatient facility before the group home, he needs to be dealt with.
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I'm not sure three strikes applies to literally any misdemeanor. Normally that's legislation for violent crimes and drug crimes ?
 
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PyrrhicRustle said:
That is also what people said in 2012 and in 2015, and Chris went through both periods just fine.
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True, let's say for the fun of speculation that he won't get any form of probation. Where will he live? A group home? He will commit new crimes and/or get stabbed by another resident. The streets? He will commit new crimes and get stabbed by another bum.

Will he be able to sustain himself via the tugboat as a homeless troon? Doubtful.

He has no family or wranglers that will take care of him anymore and he is not able to function independantly. His path leads to the glowies.
 
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Lancelot said:
He is pretty thoroughly screwed already.


Even if he gets out tomorrow free of charges. He can't go back to 14bc. He is also invariably banned from every mlp convention or con of any kind.

Dudes entire life is going to be a magnitude worse than what it was even 2 years ago
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Well, he'll always have the furry community, those people will let convicted pedophiles into their conventions.
 
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Lancelot said:
I'm not sure three strikes applies to literally any misdemeanor. Normally that's legislation for violent crimes and drug crimes ?
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It varies state-by-state of course. In Virginia, there are multiple "strike" statutes. The normal three strikes one covers violent felonies (with a mandatory life sentence). There's a two strikes one for lower-level sex felonies (with the punishment being the max sentence, but not life), and another one for major sex felonies (with the punishment being life).

All of them are for felonies.

Some three strikes laws have been far less discerning. California used to have one of the stupidest ones in the country. After two violent felonies, your third strike could be something stupid like shoplifting. They have since fixed it but for a while there were people who were sent away for life for stealing DVDs.

EDIT: Incidentally, felony incest is not a strike in Virginia unless it's with your child or grandchild, so Chris doesn't get a strike. (Oddly, felony oral/anal with your mother IS a strike, but Chris isn't charged with that.)
 
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Pointless Sperg said:
If sitting in jail for a year was always part of the plan, it's certainly interesting. If deferred disposition on a felony had always been the plan, then they could have skipped a whole ton of languishing in J&DR and just gotten on with it.

Unless Chris was on board with sitting in jail this long, which it sure didn't seem like.
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Well, I said "for a while."

I would guess that they were careful about the charging to start and opted to hold him in jail on a misdemeanor while investigating and getting him evaluated fully, to keep all options open but him under control/key. Then based on results and realities and a 360 review of what they were trying to accomplish, opted to access the autism /intellectual disability statute - which I think I recall is for felonies only? Idr.

Either way, bumping it up reflects the seriousness of the crime charged (and likely of the results of investigation and evaluation). Time in jail reflects that he was actually punished with incarceration and so the outcome moots argument or perception that he got off scot-free (especially if it eventually becomes a misdemeanor conviction). And the autism deferred prosecution reflects the real results of evaluation. If there are additional proposals or agreements to try to ensure that Chris is not in a position to re-offend, you could theoretically have a nice little package. Elegant.

All speculation, of course. PL (not really): Libra Moon, so I like balance and harmony in my outcomes.

It could just as easily be that it's still adversarial and Heilberg has simply managed to manuevre well, or maybe they really did have a plea arrangement and Chris really did ruin it and so now Heilberg is having to fight for it. But the way this looked coming in the door just screams for some special handling (and, it being Virginia, possibly some benevolent paternalism).
 
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My Name is Mud said:
To be fair, Chris is in a way worse mental place now than '12 and '15, plus, he has no Barb to look after him now, and no Null to put his ass in place. Things have changed... (:_(
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yeah, and the stakes are higher across the board. Avoiding a few stores is one thing, but I just don’t see Chris not fucking this up. Living the straight and narrow life upon release, doing exactly as he’s required by law while improving his situation(on his own initiative with zero support system) is as unlikely to me as Chris actually turning into cartoon hedgehog Jesus. Just getting around is going to be significantly harder for him now. He doesn’t even have a vehicle anymore.

Ex-cons with waaaay more going for them than Chris often complain about the difficulties of life after incarceration. Guys that were genuinely rehabilitated and want to live a law abiding life. Chris doesn’t have that drive to improve, hell, he still doesn’t think fucking his elderly mother was wrong.. he just told the wrong people.
 
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