The incel movement is pretty dumb, but they do draw attention to real shit sometimes. This imbalance in the dating market exists. Can we really blame young men for being frustrated with the fact that young women have it exponentially easier? This partially equalizes years down the line, but that doesn't really change the conundrum that many young men find themselves in when they can't compete with "high value men" because they're too young to have accumulated the traits and value that would make them HV.
I can blame them actually.
Your line of thinking is absurd on a fundamental level, because men and women aren't competing for the same position. Any guy who believes women have it "easier", women are probably right to avoid because it suggests some pretty troubling things about how he sees relationships and his role and obligations within them.
I think you're using "High value" as a sort of arbitrary, unimportant variable?
You're right, they don't have the traits and value...so why are they trying to pursue these relationships? What are they exchanging with the woman in question? In fact, what the fuck is even the point?
They aren't established enough to start a family, they can't provide security since they aren't confident/socially graceful, they aren't socially connected, they aren't strong or streetwise, and aren't economically well off; if you have nothing to give each other, why are you even wasting each others' time?
OR, do these guys not care about her well being or his ability to provide any physical or emotional security, and this is just a selfish pursuit to get his dick wet and bolster his ego at her cost (since women give up more in status by being involved with men than men do), because he's leading a shitty, unhappy, socially isolated existence?
These incels want to fulfill a male role in a relationship, where a woman gives herself over to him, without fulfilling any male obligations.
It's incredibly selfish, and it's disgraceful that men, who are supposed to be the leading party that women put their trust in, are treating whether or not
women, the emotional ones, agree to date as the deciding factor in whether or not it makes sense to date.
A lot of women have fucking tier lists or some shit when it comes to dating. Shit like "He must be 6 foot tall or above, he must earn $100,000 a year, he has to have his own house,etc." and they aren't willing to budge on ANY of it. So in addition to having unrealistically high standards that most men aren't going to meet, they are so steadfast on all of it that they won't interact with a man that doesn't fit it to a tee. Men should have highbstandards as well because a lot of men will fuck anything with a vagina and that's pitiful really, but having unrealistically high standards and expecting all of them to be catered to is just as absurd. There's no middle ground of having high standards that can be met but not so high that very few people of the opposite sex can meet them realistically, and that's what annoys me. It's like the dude that will hire anyone with a pulse or the dude that requires you to have 5 years of experience in with a programming language that just came out.
I've never used dating services, but I'm guessing that's a mainly online phenomenon. In real life they tend to be extremely forgiving, a lot of times even more than they probably should be.
Absolutely some wouldn't budge even if you could organically interact with them, but then those women aren't equipped to date. They aren't looking for a partner, they're looking for a trophy who'll magically fix their shitty life, and even if they would date you or even just wanted to bang, the experience would be totally empty and unsatisfying.
That's the reality, a lot of people these days are fucked up, they don't know how to connect with others, and you can only do so much to get them to engage with you. That's the main weakness of dating apps, that 95% of the people on them
belong alone.
