Post videos of people dying - Self explanatory really

[mr.moon1488]

You serious? You go down, HARD. Taking a round to the plates is painful.





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All favor a rifle. Shotguns are great for hunting rabbits and phesants

>You serious? You go down, HARD. Taking a round to the plates is painful.
No, you don't. It doesn't feel good but probably 90% of the time when someone was hit in the plate during room clearing, they didn't fully realize it until afterward due to adrenaline. I had a team leader that got hit twice in the plate and he didn't even realize it until they were back on the FOB and he started to drop kit.

Also, nice cherry picking, but you know damn good and well a center mass shot even at 10 yards or less with even a full choke is going to have a higher probability of missing the strike plate, which was the entire point I was making. The shot pattern you posted would have produced impacts around the plate if it was off approximately two inches in either direction. One of the impacts was actually off the strike plate for some of the plates I've seen used.

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That's the typical spread of some 00 Buckshot at 10 yards which is farther than you'll shoot in most homes, and probably father than the gas station shooting we watched. You still gotta aim with a shotgun.


Like the picture above shows, you're only lighting one guy up. He's eating all that buckshot and it's not likely to pass though as easily as a rifle round. Also, if you're up against some half-way competent dudes that are running a stack, you're probably not gonna make it.


The effectiveness of a shotgun in a trench was due to the rate of fire and it's wieldability. Keep in mind that a trench is just a long and muddy hallway. Compared to a Mauser 98 or some guy with a Luger and no reload on hand, a shotgun is devastating. Even then, the Strumtruppen had many a guy assault a trench with only a sack full of grenades to great effect.


Yes, and you're only chance of defeating body armor is with speed. Rifles provide that. Gambling on a pellet spreading far enough seems like a really bad gamble. At the distances we're talking about, velocity from most rifles will be brutal.

Shotguns are better than nothing, but compared to a modern pistol with 15 rounds or a semi-auto rifle, you're going to be super hard pressed to find somewhere the shotgun excels beyond their capabilities (aside from breaching).

I am not trying to be an asshole when I point out that the people who make a living out of running up in someone's house and killing people do certain things for a reason and those reasons are worthy studying. A DEVGRU team searching a house operates under some basic principles of CQB. Those principles are the same for you as well.

You're just describing mechanics here, good training and mechanics with a shotgun or rifle will yield results.

Onto your body armor argument, the average bullet proof vest can stop bird and maybe buckshot. You need at least level 3+ (plates with steel inserts) or higher to effectively stop 3100fps nato 556. Effectively stop as in the first round isn't a guessing game of angle and range. Same armor for slug shotgun. Regardless it's a complete moot point. If someone is invading your home with expensive plate armor, you are fucking dead, they aren't there for your TV.

I never once argued it wouldn't stop them, so I don't really know where you coming from with this. But most militaries now use plate carriers, which offer no protection beyond the plate. Meaning if a shot is off the plate, it is going to have an effect.

 

[Migraine Box]

...link or post?

I'm surprised how little footage like this has surfaced. Probably hours of it out there, lost to time in boxes of forgotten Hi8 or VHS-C tapes, though I can understand why people wouldn't be too eager to re-watch the more gruesome jumps.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

Drunk Driver arrested for fierly Los Angeles crash that killed 6 identified as nurse Nicole Lorraine Linton
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...how the fuck do you survive a crash like that?

 

[Sparkletor 2.0]

...how the fuck do you survive a crash like that?

The nurse class gets a bonus to HP?

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

...how the fuck do you survive a crash like that?

Being totally blitzed gives you super powers.

 

[cuddle striker]

God loves a drunk.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

I'm surprised how little footage like this has surfaced. Probably hours of it out there, lost to time in boxes of forgotten Hi8 or VHS-C tapes, though I can understand why people wouldn't be too eager to re-watch the more gruesome jumps.

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god, imagine if 9/11 would happen today? now that smartphones are a thing, the amount of videos that would have been taken and send would have been insane.

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

I'm surprised how little footage like this has surfaced. Probably hours of it out there, lost to time in boxes of forgotten Hi8 or VHS-C tapes, though I can understand why people wouldn't be too eager to re-watch the more gruesome jumps.

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Most of the footage was taken by professional photogs and news organizations and they won't release it to the public. Even the Naudet tape was edited and sanitized. New York City fights any FOIA requests hard. They wouldn't even let the transcripts of the 911 calls be released without redacting the words of the victims.

Jack Telerico with Fox had the most gruesome footage since he videotaped the plaza in that clip from ground level with a news camera.

god, imagine if 9/11 would happen today? now that smartphones are a thing, the amount of videos that would have been taken and send would have been insane.

People would have been calling for Afghanistan to be nuked if we had the mobile technology that we have today. People streaming themselves jumping from the towers, burning to death, all the phone calls from loved ones. It would have been a thousand times worse.

I had to, alright? It's hot, I'm bored...
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For zoomers who don't get it, watch A Knight's Tale. It's a fantastic movie.

 

[Desu Mountain]

There's a shitton of 9/11 footage on archive.org. I'm sure you could find the uncensored splats if you look hard enough. Personally the last time I saw the splat footage was on /pol/.

9/11 Television Raw : 911conspiracy.tv : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

September 11, 2001 video from the 911datasets.org NIST FOIA release 10. Includes many TV network camera recordings unaired and not seen by the general public...

archive.org

Understanding 9/11: A Television News Archive

9/11 Footage : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

9/11 footage.

archive.org

https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%229%2F11%22

 

[( . Y . ) ԅ(´ڡ`ԅ)]

I'm surprised how little footage like this has surfaced. Probably hours of it out there, lost to time in boxes of forgotten Hi8 or VHS-C tapes, though I can understand why people wouldn't be too eager to re-watch the more gruesome jumps.

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Semper fucking Fi. someone should shoop "Let the bodies hit the floor" behind this.

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

What always gets me.

@2:50 The three firefighters reacting to a jumper all died that day.
@4:00 The guy on fire hanging on the edge and kicking his feet while one is on fire.
@5:35 Half a dozen people rapid fire jumping out. IIRC that's when one of the floors started collapsing according to some report on the jumpers that I read.
@6:44 The guy being shot out of the building. I imagine he tried to break the window and the massive heat pressure difference sucked him right out.

Also fascinating if you are interesting in 9/11 stuff or just compelling reads in general, you can spend hours going through the transcripts of all the Fire/EMS/Police interviews conducted in the days and months afterward.

Oral Histories From Sept. 11 Compiled by the New York Fire Department - The New York Times

Also, the recordings of the Fire Department Dispatches that day.

NY Fire Dept's 9/11 Radio Dispatches : Fire Department of New York : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

The Fire Department of New York's radio dispatches from the morning and early afternoon of 9/11. For over three years, they fought in court to keep these...

archive.org

Less interesting is the 911 transcripts because they redacted the callers words even in the transcripts

9/11 911 calls - Disc 1: Transcripts : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Part of the release of 911 calls on 9/11.For more info and recordings, seewww.thememoryhole2.org/blog/911-911-calls

archive.org

 

[troon patrol]

Of all the posts in this thread that video is probably the hardest to watch for me, makes a guy wanna fedpost even. I hope we put a dent in Afghanistan, at least we killed UBL.

This is as close as were ever gonna get to seeing the real footage alleged recorded as it happen, I still get emotional when they radio Geronimo in.

 

[Elbow Greased Strength]

Booze cruisers once again being slandered thanks to a few bad eggs.
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[RinguPingu745]

I can't bring myself to finish the videos about 9/11. Brings a lump into the throat seeing the reaction of everyone that day and the bodies falling.

 

[Elbow Greased Strength]

I can't bring myself to finish the videos about 9/11. Brings a lump into the throat seeing the reaction of everyone that day and the bodies falling.

It's incredibly sad for me to see those poor people who had no choice but between a horrific death in the building or to try going out one of the windows knowing it was basically guaranteed there would be no other outcome but a long plunge to the death. Even when I was trying to help find some lost 9/11 footage in another thread I refused to watch a single moment of anyone falling to their death, it bothers me that much.

Seeing it hits especially hard because I also work in a skyscraper (although only about 1/5th as tall as the WTCs) and can't imagine being forced to make that decision were it to happen here.

Evil, pure unadulterated evil was what that attack was.

 

[rules of nature]

I'm surprised how little footage like this has surfaced. Probably hours of it out there, lost to time in boxes of forgotten Hi8 or VHS-C tapes, though I can understand why people wouldn't be too eager to re-watch the more gruesome jumps.

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Not a lot of people know this but the head writer for cheers, wings, and frasher fucking died on 9/11.

 

[Dragged Into Sunlight]

Pink Mist

 

[RollerGator]

god, imagine if 9/11 would happen today? now that smartphones are a thing, the amount of videos that would have been taken and send would have been insane.

We would have HD footage of those pesky dancing Israelis.

 

[InabaTewi]

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What always gets me.

@2:50 The three firefighters reacting to a jumper all died that day.
@4:00 The guy on fire hanging on the edge and kicking his feet while one is on fire.
@5:35 Half a dozen people rapid fire jumping out. IIRC that's when one of the floors started collapsing according to some report on the jumpers that I read.
@6:44 The guy being shot out of the building. I imagine he tried to break the window and the massive heat pressure difference sucked him right out.

Also fascinating if you are interesting in 9/11 stuff or just compelling reads in general, you can spend hours going through the transcripts of all the Fire/EMS/Police interviews conducted in the days and months afterward.

Oral Histories From Sept. 11 Compiled by the New York Fire Department - The New York Times

Also, the recordings of the Fire Department Dispatches that day.

NY Fire Dept's 9/11 Radio Dispatches : Fire Department of New York : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

The Fire Department of New York's radio dispatches from the morning and early afternoon of 9/11. For over three years, they fought in court to keep these...

archive.org

Less interesting is the 911 transcripts because they redacted the callers words even in the transcripts

9/11 911 calls - Disc 1: Transcripts : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

Part of the release of 911 calls on 9/11.For more info and recordings, seewww.thememoryhole2.org/blog/911-911-calls

archive.org

Americans should've exterminated all Muslims after this, but instead we got this cursed timeline.