Aug 9 2022 - Continuance on Grand Jury, defense filed motion for autism disorder deferred disposition

[Android raptor]

hes more in the lower mid ranges of functioning, but high functioning, no, if he was truly highly functional, hed be able to hold down jobs, take care of himself, have a certain level of maturity , be able to prioritize, budget and handle money, and just better skills all around, he may not need custodial care, because, yes, in theory, he physically is capable of doing those things, but he does need daily supervision for behavior as well as to prompt him and tell him to bathe, put on clean clothes, wash the dirty ones, brush his teeth, clean up and all . he does not have much in ways of judgment skills, healthy coping, common sense, hed be able to tell fantasy from reality, just to name a few of many examples.

Hell even Barb doesn't have a lot of those skills, especially in regards to cleaning and finances. Bob was the closest thing to a functioning member of that household.

 

[Mason Verger]

People don't get that in the period where Chris was considered a "high-functioning" autist that literally just meant you weren't constantly shitting yourself, banging your head against a wall and screeching incoherently while throwing air conditioners out the window and smashing TVs.

I don’t know enough autists irl, so maybe this is how they are, but Chris is a weird case in that he seemed to go from low functioning, to high functioning for many years, back to his current state of low functioning.

I also think, beyond autism, that he’s severely mentally ill. Which can develop/worsen as you get older. And I’m one that used to be adamant that Chris’s “crazy” shit was an act that he was just too committed to to drop.

Then he fucked his mom.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Genuine question do you think the public defenders who represented Chandler Halderson (guy who killed his parents for figuring out he lied about being in college when he wasn't) did a bad job? What about the ones who represented the "parents" of Gabriel Fernandez (little 6 year old kid who was made to eat kitty litter and slowly tortured to death)?

Because that's what I was referring to, and most of the commentary I've seen outside of this site think they did great with what they were handed. Defense attorneys' job isn't to get a "not guilty" verdict (or some asinine technicality), it's to provide a defense to ensure the law is carried out correctly. Sometimes that means shielding a shitty person from excessive punishment, which is very different from shielding them from any punishment.

I don't think anyone who is trying to help Chris Chan end up with zero punishment for raping his demented mom can be described as having a "good" nature. I'll gladly take internet strangers labeling me autistic to die on that hill.

It's an adversarial system. Both sides fight as hard as they can for the best outcome possible. Each attorney's job is to represent the interests of the public (the prosecutor) and the interests of the accused (the defender).

Neither of them are supposed to work for the cause of true-and-honest justice, that's the judge and jury's job.

The idea is if each side puts up their best fight, the proper outcome will be achieved. Sometimes it really is what's best for the public as a whole even if it's not the best for them in that particular case. That's why we have cases like OJ, where he was probably as guilty as sin, but the police and prosecution fucked up so badly that the rebuke serves the public's interests in the long term.

Also, sometimes the interests of the public and of the defendant align. For instance, putting Chris in a tard home is probably better than just kicking him out on the street when he gets out (whenever that is), because it will make him less of a problem for the public.

 

[A Wumpa Fruit]

We lose

 

[hellogoodmorning]

He's so lucky that he has a Jew working for his best interests.

I don't get why there's so many people that hate Jews. The stereotypical Jew is a good fucking role model in my opinion. Funny, hardworking, smart and cunning, looks out for his people and his family, accumulates and saves money for the future, shoots fuckers who try to destroy his nation and works to ensure some control over as much of the world as possible via the financial system to prevent that from happening, etc.

I don't see the problem.



That's literally his job.

Because many of them have a moralistic superiority complex and accomplish those above things by parasitically undermining the nations they live in.

 

[Empyrea]

And reading it, you think what the fuck is he even saying? But then you realize somehow this son of a bitch managed to derail grand jury proceedings with this nonsense.

That does not happen. Nobody even thought of predicting that Heilberg would just somehow tell a grand jury to go fuck itself and make it stick, because that doesn't happen.

Yeah no, I chose CONTINUANCE! on the poll because I was memeing, as I bet a lot of others were.

No one who is even passingly interested in the justice system would have seen this coming. It's just a formality 99.999% of the time.

Though apparently the Great Autismo Defense Strat was launched on the 5th if I recall correctly. Just delayed a bit.

 

[Grift Garrison]

Defense attorneys' job isn't to get a "not guilty" verdict (or some asinine technicality), it's to provide a defense to ensure the law is carried out correctly. Sometimes that means shielding a shitty person from excessive punishment, which is very different from shielding them from any punishment.

An defense attorney's job is to protect their client's best interest, not uphold some unwritten moral code.

 

[troon patrol]

It's an adversarial system. Both sides fight as hard as they can for the best outcome possible. Each attorney's job is to represent the interests of the public (the prosecutor) and the interests of the accused (the defender).

Neither of them are supposed to work for the cause of true-and-honest justice, that's the judge and jury's job.

The idea is if each side puts up their best fight, the proper outcome will be achieved. Sometimes it really is what's best for the public as a whole even if it's not the best for them in that particular case. That's why we have cases like OJ, where he was probably as guilty as sin, but the police and prosecution fucked up so badly that the rebuke serves the public's interests in the long term.

Also, sometimes the interests of the public and of the defendant align. For instance, putting Chris in a tard home is probably better than just kicking him out on the street when he gets out (whenever that is), because it will make him less of a problem for the public.

Just curious how did the police/prosecution fuck up the OJ trial in your opinion?

 

[GypsyBard]

Did they give a date for the continuance?
Sorry for asking I don't feel like looking through 46 pages

 

[Big Buns]

Because many of them have a moralistic superiority complex and accomplish those above things by parasitically undermining the nations they live in.

Work harder, whiner.

 

[Philosophy Phil]

He's so lucky that he has a Jew working for his best interests.

I don't get why there's so many people that hate Jews. The stereotypical Jew is a good fucking role model in my opinion. Funny, hardworking, smart and cunning, looks out for his people and his family, accumulates and saves money for the future, shoots fuckers who try to destroy his nation and works to ensure some control over as much of the world as possible via the financial system to prevent that from happening, etc.

I don't see the problem.



That's literally his job.

Easy there brother, the ones here are clever.

 

[A-№1]

Chris isn't capable of looking at porn in a "normal" way he will always find a way to make it a core part of his persona

Sort of. Chris looks at pornography the same way everyone else does, but his response is abnormal. You see, pornography appeals to the primitive little monkey brain everyone has inside their head, just above their spinal cord. This is why pornography works: the monkey can't tell it's not reality. The thing is, most people have several pounds of functioning cerebellum surrounding the primitive part of their brain, tempering its desires and controlling its impulses. Meanwhile, Chris' cerebellum either isn't working right, or simply can't be bothered. Instead of controlling it, Chris' intellect (such as it is) serves his inner monkey.

That's a defense in Virginia?

It's not really a defense. It's more like alternative sentencing. The court is saying he's guilty as fuck, but they're already full up with speds and don't want to deal with any more. So Chris will be someone else's problem until he fucks up, and then it's straight to prison with him.

I do wonder why they aren't adding on the financial stuff as it would seem to be a slam dunk.

It's not worth their time. In an age where shoplifters are allowed to walk out of a Home Depot carrying thousands of dollars of stolen merchandise with no fear of prosecution, a measly $700 taken from an account Chris had permission to access is beneath consideration for the effort it would take to prosecute.

Yeah, he wanted to live like a trophy-wife while being a fat, penniless retard on welfare.

Fixed.

The thing is, there are millions of women exactly like Chris (fat, penniless, on welfare) all doing the exact same thing, only instead of hanging out at the mall with an attraction sign looking for a fuckmommy, they have accounts on tinder demanding a "good man". I guess Chris eventually decided to become one too, thus tomgirl.

The only good thing there is Chris will never be a single mother as well. Be thankful for that, at least.

Restrictions: I have worked both restrictive and non. I just figured I'd go with restrictive, as part of me hopes that's where Chris ends up.

I don't think any hope is needed. There is no way Chris is going to a minimal management house. He'll be stuffed somewhere with a bunch of other hard tards where even the guy who comes to mow the grass once a week is ex-military with tard wrangling experience.

Oh, and if, by some miracle¹, Chris does get dumped into a minimal management house, they'll simply look the other way while he wanders off to violate his probation terms. Then his disposition will no longer be deferred, and it's off to Marion with him.

In my country, porn is banned in native land to prevent them from raping each other

How's that working out, by the way?

and be less willing to work with him

Can you blame them? Tard wranglers are not paid nearly enough to give all the fucks demanded of them.

Depending on the facility, non-compliance is another big one, since not taking meds or doing what you are tasked with doing can disrupt the order of the facility.

Virginia might be one of those states where patients cannot be compelled to take their meds, because "muh dignity" or whatever. Such states tend to have very large homeless populations as tard homes let them go off medication and wander off to the streets. Because there's literally nothing else the tard home can do; their hands are tied. And I need to stop here before I really start ranting.

There's already enough misinformation about Chris and his court case floating around due to people taking snippets of things Chris said and extrapolating it into fanfiction territory.

^This. I credit Pointless Sperg's and AnOminous' and others' wildest speculations over any "facts" coming from Chris.

Unfortunately (fortunately) we don't live in 1930's USSR, the state can't just unperson somebody

Yeah. Our government leaves that job to twitter and facebook etc.

if you wear your moms underwear you are a degenerate

Fixed.

Once you're wearing your mother's underwear, everything after is just additional, triple-dog degeneracy.

he isn't getting paid much for this.

I suspect at Heilberg's time of life, the law is more of a hobby than a profession, and people are often a lot more meticulous about their hobbies than when they're getting paid. I mean Chris' case could be called the Mt. Everest of tard defenses, so why is Heilberg performing miracles defending him? For the same reason Norgay and Hillary went all the way to the top: Because he can.

If I ever get in trouble with the law in rural Virginia, I know who I'm going to call. Hell, anyone Heilberg recommends has to be pretty damn good as well.

He somehow blew off a grand jury. That shit doesn't happen.

Chris' case was almost at the end of the schedule. It's possible the grand jury simply hadn't gotten to Chris yet when the motion for deferred disposition dropped, making the grand jury irrelevant until the judge ruled on that motion.

and the lawyer cares enough about him to pull out all the stops

Or Heilberg knows about the attention this case is getting and understands that if he doesn't do his level best, the world will know about it. It's always better to be known as the miracle worker who got Chris Chan off than the hack who did the bare minimum.


And with that I am finally caught up on this thread.

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¹ He is the Teflon Tard™ after all.

 

[TheLastJoestar]

What he needs is to be in prison.
Sadly, his lawyer is going for full brownie points getting a totally guilty piece of shit out of the consequences.

Yeah, I agree. I've never understood the idea that he needs to be hit and that will teach him some lesson, especially in adolescence. My history with these types is when they're beaten up, instead of taking it as a growing experience, and learning to better negotiate peers, they take it as a cue to self-isolate and become misanthropic assholes. These kinds of people legit spend decades plotting revenge for drama from highschool. Even if they don't realize it, it always goes back to middle or high school.

Likewise, Chris has always had a persecution complex

AN F IN ENGLISH CLASS? YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME! I MEAN AN F? I DO NOT EVEN KNOW THE LAST TIME I GOT AN F... WHAT DO YOU HAVE AGAINST AGAINST THE HANDICAPPED PEOPLE ANYWAY?!

Chris probably would have turned horrowcow sooner had he gotten his ass beaten. Prison is exactly what he needs and deserves. Proper prison time; something regimented, and something real. IMO it doesn't matter if it's a tard house, or if it's a prison cell, dude needs to be disciplined back into reality and his weens need to be denied access to him.

 

[A-№1]

Fuck. i thought I was caught up.

I don't get why there's so many people that hate Jews. The stereotypical Jew is a good fucking role model in my opinion.

That's one stereotype. There are others.

In reality, Jews are just people, with all the associated virtues and flaws. Some are good. Some are bad. Most are indifferent.

I don't see the problem.

It's basic tribalist human nature. Any group that is separate from the common herd, be it a religion or skin color or even just quoting along with Monty Python movies, is going to be attacked by certain other people¹. Chimpanzees will go to war with other chimps simply because they live on the other side of the river, and a lot of people are little better than chimps.

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¹ Such as Chris.

 

[D_Tractor]

Has Chris ever even shown himself capable of cooking food of any kind? Pretty sure its all been either Borb or McD.

Barb didn't cook for either Chris or Bob since the day they moved back to Ruckersville. And the kitchen was so hoarded by her shit that nobody could cook there.

 

[Reef-Raze]

He's so lucky that he has a Jew working for his best interests.

I don't get why there's so many people that hate Jews. The stereotypical Jew is a good fucking role model in my opinion. Funny, hardworking, smart and cunning, looks out for his people and his family, accumulates and saves money for the future, shoots fuckers who try to destroy his nation and works to ensure some control over as much of the world as possible via the financial system to prevent that from happening, etc.

I don't see the problem.

Jews are great, they sign my paycheck

 

[D_Tractor]

Yeah, I agree. I've never understood the idea that he needs to be hit and that will teach him some lesson, especially in adolescence. My history with these types is when they're beaten up, instead of taking it as a growing experience, and learning to better negotiate peers, they take it as a cue to self-isolate and become misanthropic assholes. These kinds of people legit spend decades plotting revenge for drama from highschool. Even if they don't realize it, it always goes back to middle or high school.

Likewise, Chris has always had a persecution complex

Chris probably would have turned horrowcow sooner had he gotten his ass beaten. Prison is exactly what he needs and deserves. Proper prison time; something regimented, and something real. IMO it doesn't matter if it's a tard house, or if it's a prison cell, dude needs to be disciplined back into reality and his weens need to be denied access to him.

His mental condition has gotten worse since he has been in jail with his bidet and shitstained prayer rugs. How will prison magically cure him?

 

[Hogar Grupal]

Chris is competent enough to call an Uber.
But can he get another car using his tugboat money+credit card?

Chris' credit is on par or worse than his mom's. No 3rd rate dealership would touch Chris. Probably using tugboat money purchasing it via ween, but he'd most likely get a lemon.

 

[The Whore of Babylon]

I like that this outcome will embolden chris to claim the rape never happened and it was all a conspiracy from null and bella to tarnish the name of the godess jesus christine blue heart whatever.

also "he's not going to have internet hes gonna be put in a group home thats's punishment enough!" literally why? chris didn't fuck a kid over the internet why would they restrict his internet access at all, and if some family member has barb live with them well, the temple's back with the goddess baby, back to square one and you'll have to cope with chris bragging and shitting himself about it and there is nothing you can do

 

[Ultrapenguin]

He's so lucky that he has a Jew working for his best interests.

I don't get why there's so many people that hate Jews. The stereotypical Jew is a good fucking role model in my opinion. Funny, hardworking, smart and cunning, looks out for his people and his family, accumulates and saves money for the future, shoots fuckers who try to destroy his nation and works to ensure some control over as much of the world as possible via the financial system to prevent that from happening, etc.

I don't see the problem.

It's like how black supremacists claim white people are evil because they happen to be in higher positions. They're mad that they lost and need to paint it as some moral failing.

Hell, even this quote from Hitler was always funny to me

Spoiler: Quote

"The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day. The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day.

Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck. I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying. Gradually I began to hate them."

because it really sounds to me like he's pissed that the jews are quicker and better at rhetoric.
He's like some guy on an internet forum who's fuming because someone he was arguing with wouldn't publicly admit defeat in the face of his overwhelming rightness.

I like that this outcome will embolden chris to claim the rape never happened and it was all a conspiracy from null and bella to tarnish the name of the godess jesus christine blue heart whatever.

Well right, because the rape didn't happen.
Even if he gets off, the a-logs will continue to live in their own little version of a-log cwcville (ellivcwc) where Chris Chan is guilty of everything.

Shitposting aside, even assuming she wasn't super enthusiastic about it, personally I'm not willing to accept what happened here as rape. It was well past the threshold of responsibility on Barb's end to where she became an active player in the outcome. This was an event years in the making, without tremendous enablement and, in a sense, grooming on her part this would've never happened. That's not rape anymore, especially if there wasn't crude physical force involved.

non-stick cwc will be exonerated.